Should Amateur fighters cut/rehydrate or fight their natural weight?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: December 04, 2014 at 06:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

RastaThug said:
Was this promoter also your trainer? Or did your trainer have any say in this? I would say that its a horrible thing to do putting a beginner against someone who's 9-0 but maybe you were excelling in training? Or maybe there were few fighters available at your weight? Even at that it seems stupid to put you against someone so experienced in comparison to you. What did your trainer say after the fight?
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No, he wasn't my trainer, he ran a gym totally unaffiliated from our group, he had one of the larger local gyms in the area. We had no say whatsoever. That's my point, this one guy had waaaaay to much control over the event, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if things have changed considerably in the eight years since, my state has it's s--- pretty together when it comes to MMA regulation. And I'd say half the fights that night were at 155 for whatever reason (lots of young, skinny amateurs I guess, lol) so I'd suspect there was a more appropriate matchup for me in there somewhere. But again, no worries or excuses, I had my chance and once the cage door closes records don't count for s---, I took my ride in the cage.
To your last question, my trainer is the one who caught wind of it that night before the fight but (wisely) didn't say anything to me, but filled me in afterward. Sure enough, I went to the athletic commission site the next day which has everyone's records in the state, pro and ammy, and there it was.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: December 04, 2014 at 07:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

Yes they should it's prep for the pros and everyone else cuts so it's the same dilemma as the pros

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RastaThug
Date: December 04, 2014 at 07:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

Brick said:
No, he wasn't my trainer, he ran a gym totally unaffiliated from our group, he had one of the larger local gyms in the area. We had no say whatsoever. That's my point, this one guy had waaaaay to much control over the event, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if things have changed considerably in the eight years since, my state has it's s--- pretty together when it comes to MMA regulation. And I'd say half the fights that night were at 155 for whatever reason (lots of young, skinny amateurs I guess, lol) so I'd suspect there was a more appropriate matchup for me in there somewhere. But again, no worries or excuses, I had my chance and once the cage door closes records don't count for s---, I took my ride in the cage.
To your last question, my trainer is the one who caught wind of it that night before the fight but (wisely) didn't say anything to me, but filled me in afterward. Sure enough, I went to the athletic commission site the next day which has everyone's records in the state, pro and ammy, and there it was.
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That's disgraceful for that promoter to put you against someone so much more experienced. Obviously he was looking for his fighter to have an easy win. Fair play though, no excuses needed, you fought someone more experienced and sounds like you put up a good fight. That's something fighters don't think about though, how much can you trust your promoter? Theres 3 situations. You're either being given an easy fight, being used for an easy win or being set up for a fair scrap. Those are the only 3 possibilities and there are so many variables its hard to know which one you are.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: esok
Date: December 05, 2014 at 11:18 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

Seen 9-0 ammys lose to debuting ammys. In the amateurs I don't believe in cutting weight, losing weight sure but cutting 15-20 for a fight seems excessive for that level. Some matchmaking can be horrendous but it sounds like he picked the right guy to "test" his guy. Sounds like you weren't overmatched just lost a tough fight. Sometimes the matchmaker gets it right sometimes they don't. I always say get a group together and promote your own shows.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Toreno93
Date: December 09, 2014 at 11:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

Isn't Amateur Boxing more safe than Amateur MMA. it seems am my boxers use headgear and bigger boxing gloves while am my mms fighters fight the same as pros. Also there is also less drastic weight cuts since its more regulated

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RastaThug
Date: December 10, 2014 at 01:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

Toreno93 said:
Isn't Amateur Boxing more safe than Amateur MMA. it seems am my boxers use headgear and bigger boxing gloves while am my mms fighters fight the same as pros. Also there is also less drastic weight cuts since its more regulated
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Its safer in the sense that you're not getting hit as hard (your fist has more velocity with MMA gloves) but headgear does very little to prevent brain damage. Also in boxing you tend to get hit in the head a lot more than in MMA so that probably cancels it out. There is probably less drastic weight cuts in amateur boxing because there are a lot more weight classes.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: December 10, 2014 at 06:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

Toreno93 said:
Isn't Amateur Boxing more safe than Amateur MMA. it seems am my boxers use headgear and bigger boxing gloves while am my mms fighters fight the same as pros. Also there is also less drastic weight cuts since its more regulated
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Incorrect, Ammy mma fighters wear bigger gloves and some submissions are outlawed.
There is several schools of thought that say the head gear and bigger gloves lead to more concussions, that's why they got rid of head gear recently.
How is the boxing weigh in, more regulated? I don't understand you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: December 10, 2014 at 07:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

darcebandit said:
Incorrect, Ammy mma fighters wear bigger gloves and some submissions are outlawed.
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Agree, although those adjustments vary by state. In my state, 4 oz. gloves were not allowed, and they checked, you could only have 6 oz and above. And only hand strikes to the head at any time -- no knees, elbows, or even kicks, which is fine by me as I'm not much of a head kicker. But all submissions were allowed, at least at the time.
darcebandit said:
How is the boxing weigh in, more regulated? I don't understand you.
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I agree with you here as well, boxing is not more regulated, if anything MMA gets more regulatory scrutiny these days due to the popularity, growth and still evolving sport.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: December 10, 2014 at 08:40 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

Brick said:
Agree, although those adjustments vary by state. In my state, 4 oz. gloves were not allowed, and they checked, you could only have 6 oz and above. And only hand strikes to the head at any time -- no knees, elbows, or even kicks, which is fine by me as I'm not much of a head kicker. But all submissions were allowed, at least at the time.
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Ours are 6oz gloves but aren't weighed. Mine are actually a little lighter than 6oz I think. As long as they have good padding on the knuckled then it's fine. We basically have the same rules as pros except, no elbows and no twisting leg submissions, toeholds, heel hooks etc. Kneebars and footlocks are allowed. No neck cranks either. It's a great rule set IMO, really get's you set for the pro fights. Ours are 3x3 minute rounds too

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: December 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/should-amateur-fighters-cut-rehydrate-or-fight-their-natural-weight.64629/

darcebandit said:
Ours are 6oz gloves but aren't weighed. Mine are actually a little lighter than 6oz I think. As long as they have good padding on the knuckled then it's fine. We basically have the same rules as pros except, no elbows and no twisting leg submissions, toeholds, heel hooks etc. Kneebars and footlocks are allowed. No neck cranks either. It's a great rule set IMO, really get's you set for the pro fights. Ours are 3x3 minute rounds too
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Ours are no elbows and no knees to the face, save championship fights, IF both fighters agree. And I think our gloves are 5.5 oz. Otherwise, it's all good to go.