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phoenix-mma said:
Otherwise known as the extended trip to the fridge to freshen up my drink before the main event.
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Yeah I was hammered by Davis/Vinny. Totally forgot about the Bisping fight. Actually I think Belcher forgot about the fight too.
renjr84 said:
So by looking at the numbers we could say the Top 5 PPV fighters in the UFC were
1) Lesnar
2) GSP
3)Ortiz
4) Penn
5) Evans
that seem like the right 5, especially after seeing some of Silvas PPVS pre Sonnen
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It all depends on whether you're looking per event or overall.
Overall, GSP is the hands down winner. Lesnar, despite his big numbers per event, doesn't have the career numbers GSP has. That's why Dana calls GSP his number one PPV draw.
UFC 100 is a bit of an outlier as Lesnar was the main and GSP was the co-main and the marketing/promotion effort for the centennial event was much larger than the typical efforts the UFC uses so it's not surprising the numbers for that event have the all time record. As the two were the main and co-main, it's a bit difficult to figure out who gets what share of the promotional pie for UFC 100. With that in mind, I'll give the numbers without and without UFC 100 factored, plus a 60/40 split in Lesnar's favour.
By the way, FG's list has Lesnar on UFC 87, but that was his first fight in the UFC and while he was onthe main card, he wasn't a co-main. The total for that event are NOT included in Lesnar's career total because it's about the headlining ability.
Lesnar PPV buys without UFC 100 - 4,105,000
Lesnar PPV buys with UFC 100 - 5,705,000
GSP PPV buys without UFC 100 - 7,780,000
GSP PPV buys with UFC 100 - 9,380,000
Even if you give sole credit for UFC 100 entirely to Lesnar, he's still a distant second to GSP.
Prorated UFC 100 inclusion (Lesnar 60%, GSP 40%)
Lesnar - 5,065,000
GSP - 8,420,000
That's why GSP is the PPV king.
renjr84 said:
Yea I think it adjusted down according to mma payout to 900k much like Lesnar vs Overeem early reports was almost 850 but it was adjusted down to 5 something
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They actually adjusted it up. Metzer originally came up with 800K but nearly everyone else is claiming it's 1.1m. I think when everything settles, it'll top a million.
Flound said:
It all depends on whether you're looking per event or overall.
Overall, GSP is the hands down winner. Lesnar, despite his big numbers per event, doesn't have the career numbers GSP has. That's why Dana calls GSP his number one PPV draw.
UFC 100 is a bit of an outlier as Lesnar was the main and GSP was the co-main and the marketing/promotion effort for the centennial event was much larger than the typical efforts the UFC uses so it's not surprising the numbers for that event have the all time record. As the two were the main and co-main, it's a bit difficult to figure out who gets what share of the promotional pie for UFC 100. With that in mind, I'll give the numbers without and without UFC 100 factored, plus a 60/40 split in Lesnar's favour.
By the way, FG's list has Lesnar on UFC 87, but that was his first fight in the UFC and while he was onthe main card, he wasn't a co-main. The total for that event are NOT included in Lesnar's career total because it's about the headlining ability.
Lesnar PPV buys without UFC 100 - 4,105,000
Lesnar PPV buys with UFC 100 - 5,705,000
GSP PPV buys without UFC 100 - 7,780,000
GSP PPV buys with UFC 100 - 9,380,000
Even if you give sole credit for UFC 100 entirely to Lesnar, he's still a distant second to GSP.
Prorated UFC 100 inclusion (Lesnar 60%, GSP 40%)
Lesnar - 5,065,000
GSP - 8,420,000
That's why GSP is the PPV king.
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Long term no doubt GSP is king but during their time on the active roster if you average it out on average Lesnar has a higher PPV buy rate than GSP.
To me GSP is dominant and obviously 1 of the 3 best p4p fighters in the world today but recently because of his lack of finishes what is making him the highest PPV grosser in the business.
You would almost think with their dominance and ability to end fights Silva and Jones would be 1 and 2.
Can we blame this on Canadiens or women?
By the by, Silva, despite his P4P title and accolades, is not that huge of a draw. Don't get me wrong, he's a good draw, but he's not a one of the top all time draws.
That's one of the main reasons why I think those that claim GSP should chase the P4P title don't see how little value that 'prestige' gives a fighter. It's not worth the pixels it's printed on.
I also think that Silva's management pushes the wrong things in public. They tend to negotiate in public a bit with Zuffa but don't play the promote game once the fight is signed that well. I think Dana gets irked with that approach.
renjr84 said:
Long term no doubt GSP is king but during their time on the active roster if you average it out on average Lesnar has a higher PPV buy rate than GSP.
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I said that. Per event Lesnar is a bigger draw, but overall he isn't. Since the overall matters more, that's the one Dana relies on. GSP is pretty much made Zuffa twice the cash that Lesnar did.
And even if you look at per vent numbers, GSP is not that far behind. 770K to Lesnar's 800K average per event.
To me GSP is dominant and obviously 1 of the 3 best p4p fighters in the world today but recently because of his lack of finishes what is making him the highest PPV grosser in the business.
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Not sure I'm seeing any causation there. GSP is the bigger draw because of longevity, exposure, his belt and his marketability as a good guy. Lesnar's was cross over WWE appeal and once his fight game was exposed and he wasn't contending or had the belt, his numbers dropped. Lesnar was a flash in the pan, where as GSP has trended up throughout his career. (A huge flash, to be sure, but not a lot of longevity)
You would almost think with their dominance and ability to end fights Silva and Jones would be 1 and 2.
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In a perfect world.
Do Canucks have PPV? not sure if they pick up the PPVs on a subscription based Channel or something (like UK/Euro)
that may factor into why he tops silva at least, Im sure if brazillians had PPV and monies to pay for it, Silva's revenue might be more than the GSP
Flound said:
UFC 100 is a bit of an outlier as Lesnar was the main and GSP was the co-main and the marketing/promotion effort for the centennial event was much larger than the typical efforts the UFC uses so it's not surprising the numbers for that event have the all time record. As the two were the main and co-main, it's a bit difficult to figure out who gets what share of the promotional pie for UFC 100. With that in mind, I'll give the numbers without and without UFC 100 factored, plus a 60/40 split in Lesnar's favour.
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I think UFC 100 would have done 1mil if the main event was me vs you. People were going to order it just because it was a special ceremonial event
Contender said:
Erm... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 500+ buys good?
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I think it's JBJ average so it depends how you look at it... 1) JBJ + the Chael P gangster factor + a whole season of TUF for promotion, it's disappointing. 2) For a PPV, or JBJ PPV, it's good/average.
I just read the JBJ "average" part on mmafighting from Luke Thomas. But the graph shows the Oregon Gangster knows how to promote a fight (925k) so to come in around 500k is meh.
phoenix-mma said:
You mean the snoozer of a co-main that got very little hype in the media? That co-main?
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You've placed a lot of significance on one fight Phoenix. So far the double R is still in novelty/one-off territory. Do you think you have a enough data to judge repeat performances?
It's too early to get in a good guess, but how do you think she'll fare on her next PPV outing? Better, worse, or same?