a serious thread about hardy and serra

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

sorry, datruth, but it was a valid thread you phrased in an unbelievably invalid way. so i'm starting it again for you.
how much do junkies think this will help hardy? serra got owned on the mat vs gsp so i don't think that's the point of hardy training with him. i think it's mental. train with the guy that scored the unbelievably unlikely KO you will need to score. serra's certainly a solid Jits guy who can help hardy in that department. but i don't think he'll be able to do much with hardy's TDD (since serra himself isn't known for it) or his striking, since hardy's is already more technical and probably as powerful.
so what do you guys think? i thought it was the most interesting part of the primetime show so far.
anyone else think it's funny that hardy's super juiced about training with matt serra, while GSP is across town training with the guy that TRAINED matt serra?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Edosama
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

I think having a place to train is better than having no place to train...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

edosama1983 said:
I think having a place to train is better than having no place to train...
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for sure. but since he's there, how do we think it will help him, as compared to other gyms in NJ or near NYC (pellegrino has a gym there and so do a few others)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: keystone
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

Good game plan. Serra has always been one of the most underrated fighters in the UFC. Im sure like many said though, its just for the mental game. Nothing Hardy does now up till fight time is gonna make any difference when the fight goes to the ground

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

I don't think it will give Hardy much, if any, advantage. The last time Serra was in the cage with GSP, it didn't work out too well for Serra.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Edosama
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

grapplethis said:
edosama1983 said:
I think having a place to train is better than having no place to train...
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for sure. but since he's there, how do we think it will help him, as compared to other gyms in NJ or near NYC (pellegrino has a gym there and so do a few others)
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well, u know how Hardy likes to play head game, and you know that 1st Serra fight is still hunting GSP.. he said he would never let what Serra did to him happen again, I think it's all head game.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: DaTruth25
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

no offence taken, maybe wording things prober isnt my strong suit, however my ideas are legendary.
and the answer is no.
this wont help Hardy one bit.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: March 10, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

I don't care who Hardy trains with, I don't think he has much of a chance at all to beat GSP. Hardy will be defeated handily if he can't catch GSP in the early rounds. If this goes past the 3rd its all over for Hardy because that is when GSP just begins to dominate.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: March 11, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

This is going to get into GSP's head! He remembers what happened with Serra, despite the fact that he avenged his loss in their lasty meeting. And in comes Hardy, a one deminsional brawler, at least from what we have seen. So I seriously doubt that when he found out he was facing him that those nightmares about his first fight with Serra didn't return.
Now Hardy is training in Ray Longo's gym, with Matt Serra... It matters, it matters a great deal!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: March 11, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

keystone said:
Good game plan. Serra has always been one of the most underrated fighters in the UFC. Im sure like many said though, its just for the mental game. Nothing Hardy does now up till fight time is gonna make any difference when the fight goes to the ground
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Agreed!!! Hey, you trained with a guy that ko'ed GSP when everyone seems to think that your ko's are better. Does anyone realise that GSP is still young and is getting better? Talk about a step down. And its all irrelevent anyway because GSP WILL take it to the ground and all u Hardy lovers will be in for a rude awakening that all of us who subsribe to reality always knew....... GSP gets hit in the face, GSP decides to take it to the ground, GSP takes it to the ground, Hardy is made to look the fool for thinking he could Serra GSP! Good gameplan Hardy. Maybe u should take that mma knowledge back to England where they love you. I think u are a great striker Hardy but u r 3 levels below a top p4p fighter and GSP will c that everyone understands why STRIKERS with no other disipline do not belong in mma. Let me be the first to say...... Hardy vs. Toney!!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: paytown50
Date: March 11, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

I made some posts about this in the gen mma news section. Here they are
(Man it gets tired defending the same old stupid argument.
Serra aint gonna teach hardy anything besides how to land a lucky punch.
Bottom line is go watch the first fight and you will see Serra was fainting the left jab to set up a right hook for about two mins. Not to mention GSP is open to the right hook.
In the fitch fight He got hit with it twice. In round 3 and in round 4.
I just think fitch was done at that point. But the bottom line is GSP does have holes and Serra used superior Boxing to expose it. Yet the dude gets no credit for it.
BTW GSP did the right thing in the 2nd fight by taking it to the ground and keeping it there. But to say that the last guy to beat GSP in forever cant help out Hardy is stupid )
and another
(Forgot as well Serra also used the leg kick to set up the Right hook. He landed fou kicks unanswered.
Just saying there was a gameplan and some skill to it. Folks make it sound like billy bob could get off the bar stool and do the same thing serra did.
Give the guy his respect is all I'm saying )
and one more
(I think this whole thing just bothers the heck out of me.
I mean the dude was like a 10 to 1 dog coming into the fight wins. and exposes some holes in gsp's game and gets no credit for it at all.
Its like cmon MMA fans lets not be so hasty here. I'll give you another example. Miguel Torres all i've heard lately is how Torres fought nobodys and how he is one of the most overrated fighters because of his back to back losses. Yet before that the SAME GUYS would say how he's a top 10 pound for pound fighter.
Its like guys watch the fights!!! Miguel has awesome Jitz and when he decides to use it the guy has a great jab. But he had a takedown defense issue before the losses and he has one after the losses. But just because he lost doesnt mean his jitz is still not awesome and his striking is still top notch.
The dude is a great fighter who has holes. Guess what EVERYONE has holes. Thats the fun in watching the sport to see guys improve and make themselves better. But dont hate on them for things they accomplish and dont hate on them for mistakes they make. )

 

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Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: March 11, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

I do not deny that this is GSP's fight to lose. He is obviously the better fighter. But the longer this fight goes on, the more time he gives Hardy to get the KO. IMO this is very similar to his first fight with Serra. Serra was coming off the Ultimate Fighter, and that's how he got the shot, he was not supposed to win!
Dan Hardy is not supposed to win this fight. His only chance is a KO against arguably the most well-rounded fighter in the world. All the pressure is on GSP and he folded once before...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: March 11, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

edosama1983 said:
grapplethis said:
edosama1983 said:
I think having a place to train is better than having no place to train...
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for sure. but since he's there, how do we think it will help him, as compared to other gyms in NJ or near NYC (pellegrino has a gym there and so do a few others)
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well, u know how Hardy likes to play head game, and you know that 1st Serra fight is still hunting GSP.. he said he would never let what Serra did to him happen again, I think it's all head game.
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GSP said that what Serra did to him will never happen again yet, you think that fight is still haunting him. I have to disagree!!! That fight is NOT haunting him since he avenged that loss, I must be right! Yay to me for being right for once. GSP is not overlooking Hardy but everyone(knowledgeable) knows that GSP would have to die of the flu in the ring for Hardy to beat him. If GSP loses to Hardy I swear I will eat my shoe and I mean it. I have said this once before and I was lucky enough to be right then also. Seriously, If Hardy wins the fight in any way, I will eat my Dr. Martens boots and I will post it on Youtube to prove I am a man of my word. Unfortunately for those of u who r waiting for me to "eat it", I only bet on sure things and this is as good as it gets.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: paytown50
Date: March 11, 2010 at 12:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

The point here is that NO fighter is perfect they all have holes. GSP is no different. The bottom line is his holes are much much more minor then other fighters BUT THEY ARE THERE.
It's funny to me that most mma fans will say GSP has no holes. Really? How then do you explain how a man 5'6 giving up over 6 inches in reach was able to ktfo him?
How is it that wrestler was able to submit him? The guy is a great fighter. But if I'm Dan hardy I go work out with Serra in episode two and then in fricken episode 3 I go work out with Hughes on that arm bar. I mean what is the guy supposed to do? Ask Paul Daley? Ask Andre Winner Give the dude some props for seeking out a dude who beat GSP
PERIOD

 

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Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: March 11, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

JayJonah2384 said:
I do not deny that this is GSP's fight to lose. He is obviously the better fighter. But the longer this fight goes on, the more time he gives Hardy to get the KO. IMO this is very similar to his first fight with Serra. Serra was coming off the Ultimate Fighter, and that's how he got the shot, he was not supposed to win!
Dan Hardy is not supposed to win this fight. His only chance is a KO against arguably the most well-rounded fighter in the world. All the pressure is on GSP and he folded once before...
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And this is the same exact point I made about Sonnen beating Silva!!!! Fighters evolve folks. Some gain knowledge and use it and some dont. Sonnen beat some good guys and has the only disipline that is PROVEN to be a weakness to Silva. GSP is still young and has evolved and I think we r going to be witness to that when he fights Hardy. Yeah, he lost to Serra but he cant evolve as a fighter? That was a long time ago folks and GSP has evolved. We, as fans, cannot predict who will go on to the next level but it happens everyday and I personally think that GSP will go on to the next level and beat Silva. After Hardy of course!!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: March 11, 2010 at 01:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

dengbat24 said:
JayJonah2384 said:
I do not deny that this is GSP's fight to lose. He is obviously the better fighter. But the longer this fight goes on, the more time he gives Hardy to get the KO. IMO this is very similar to his first fight with Serra. Serra was coming off the Ultimate Fighter, and that's how he got the shot, he was not supposed to win!
Dan Hardy is not supposed to win this fight. His only chance is a KO against arguably the most well-rounded fighter in the world. All the pressure is on GSP and he folded once before...
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And this is the same exact point I made about Sonnen beating Silva!!!! Fighters evolve folks. Some gain knowledge and use it and some dont. Sonnen beat some good guys and has the only disipline that is PROVEN to be a weakness to Silva. GSP is still young and has evolved and I think we r going to be witness to that when he fights Hardy. Yeah, he lost to Serra but he cant evolve as a fighter? That was a long time ago folks and GSP has evolved. We, as fans, cannot predict who will go on to the next level but it happens everyday and I personally think that GSP will go on to the next level and beat Silva. After Hardy of course!!!
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I was with you about the whole evolution, that is until you said he was going to beat Silva....

 

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Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: March 11, 2010 at 01:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

paytown50 said:
The point here is that NO fighter is perfect they all have holes. GSP is no different. The bottom line is his holes are much much more minor then other fighters BUT THEY ARE THERE.
It's funny to me that most mma fans will say GSP has no holes. Really? How then do you explain how a man 5'6 giving up over 6 inches in reach was able to ktfo him?
How is it that wrestler was able to submit him? The guy is a great fighter. But if I'm Dan hardy I go work out with Serra in episode two and then in fricken episode 3 I go work out with Hughes on that arm bar. I mean what is the guy supposed to do? Ask Paul Daley? Ask Andre Winner Give the dude some props for seeking out a dude who beat GSP
PERIOD
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HUH??? Serra beat him years ago and Hughes beat him years b4 that. No fighter is perfect and I dont claim that GSP has "no holes" but when u r already a damn good striker and then u go and train with a striker who already beat GSP seems ridiculous. Maybe u should go and train takedown defense which is even more of a certanty than a lucky punch.Maybe Im wrong but I guarantee that we will know when the fight happens

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: paytown50
Date: March 11, 2010 at 01:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

Disagree Dingbat
Your talking about the best wrestler in mma you can train with the Hammerhouse
(had to throw them in) Xtreme Coture etc etc etc
Bottom line GSP is taking you down. If your a striker you train to knock him out period. My point is people are slamming hardy for training with serra and I again say why? The guy beat GSP its not a far fetched Idea to train with that guy. Thats my only point.

 

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Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: March 11, 2010 at 01:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

JayJonah2384 said:
dengbat24 said:
JayJonah2384 said:
I do not deny that this is GSP's fight to lose. He is obviously the better fighter. But the longer this fight goes on, the more time he gives Hardy to get the KO. IMO this is very similar to his first fight with Serra. Serra was coming off the Ultimate Fighter, and that's how he got the shot, he was not supposed to win!
Dan Hardy is not supposed to win this fight. His only chance is a KO against arguably the most well-rounded fighter in the world. All the pressure is on GSP and he folded once before...
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And this is the same exact point I made about Sonnen beating Silva!!!! Fighters evolve folks. Some gain knowledge and use it and some dont. Sonnen beat some good guys and has the only disipline that is PROVEN to be a weakness to Silva. GSP is still young and has evolved and I think we r going to be witness to that when he fights Hardy. Yeah, he lost to Serra but he cant evolve as a fighter? That was a long time ago folks and GSP has evolved. We, as fans, cannot predict who will go on to the next level but it happens everyday and I personally think that GSP will go on to the next level and beat Silva. After Hardy of course!!!
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I was with you about the whole evolution, that is until you said he was going to beat Silva....
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I understand my friend. Everyone has an opinion and thats ur choice if u think the greatest striker in the mma world can beat the most well rounded fighter in the mma world. Let me ask u this though...... Can GSP take Anderson Silva down? YES! If GSP takes Anderson Silva down, what happens then? Think about that! Yeah, Yeah, I know, Silva will KO GSP before he gets close but thats exactly what they r saying about Hardy. Wow, ur a great striker BUT........ Think about that!!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: March 11, 2010 at 01:23 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/a-serious-thread-about-hardy-and-serra.23304/

I would answer your question, but I prefer to stay on topic, that being Hardy VS GSP.
If Hardy loses this fight, what happens? People say, well, hell, he wasn't supposed to win anyway.
If GSP loses this fight, it is another upset for the WW Kingpin.
I just don't see GSP being invincible, as many fans portray him to be.