Anderson Silva backlash

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: kirza82
Date: April 16, 2015 at 01:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

smartigan said:
One thing I've noticed is that there has been a lot of hate directed at Silva since his failed test.
More so than others imo
Is it because he was everyone's favourite fighter or one of them? Do you feel let down by the Spider?
Imo all ped users deserve all the shite they get afterwards
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He gets more hate because he was more well known. Also he is not everyone's favourite fighter. Personally, myself and a few of my other junkie friends are not fan's of his. Obviously he is very talented, but I hate the way he taunted people, and didn't take opponents seriously (haha ktfo by weidman) So him getting busted for PED's was just another reason for me to hate

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: April 16, 2015 at 01:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Backlash for Silva comes in waves.
First it was people pissed about a boring fight with Lietes. But opinion quickly changed after he sent Forrest running home.
Next it was the ufc 112 backlash where even Dana White piled it on after a fight that Dilva dominated. And Sonnen compounded it even more with his verbal assault leading up for 117.
Then by the second Sonnen fight Sonnen came with the pre-fight verbal assault people forgot about Silva front kicking Belfort in to third row and turned on him again.
Weidman polarized people into two camps with Silva. The young under dog that had the self belief/ and those that thought Dilva deserved to lose by disrespecting his opponent and fighting such a dangerous competitor with his hands down.
People where stilled divided until Silva's leg divided, most prople rallied behind him in the nostagia of his career, when he announced his return people were happy.
Then he goes and fails a drug tests and does a really poor pr job in maintaining his image through such a monumental moment.
If Silva was younger I would say, "just wait till he dominates again and win everyone over again." Which is what more or less what the pattern has developed the last 10 years or so. But at 40 fighting on a mended leg, after the most devastating loses of his career and his image in shambles it is going to take one massive moment to turn everyone back around. But alas for the Spider, I do not think he has enough gas in the tank for that moment to occur.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: April 16, 2015 at 02:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

I doubt that. Silva doesn't have the ability to recover from shots or take them like someone in there 20s. It will also be more difficult for him to recover from the rigors of training. I think it's very reasonable to assume that what is coming if Anderson Silva continues compete is a sad ending to his career via a string of bad losses.
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If you put Anderson Silva versus the top ten fighters in the Middleweight division, I can almost guarantee you that he is much, much less likely to walk out with out a TBI than any Middle weight fighter in the their 20s that you can find.
His risk of getting KTFO and suffering a concussion is much lower.
Again, we are talking about a fighter who is 40 and had an 18 year career. His body clearly cannot handle what it once could. And not nearly what a fighter 10-20 years younger can handle. I'm saying that he should hang it up before this manifests itself in a string of ugly losses. I'm not saying he should be forced into it.
You don't have to pull one of your classic logical fallacies and make this into something it's not
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Yawn.
This is not about the impact of TBI on the sport and whether or not MMA should exist because of it. This is about Anderson Silva quitting before he finds out in the cage that his body can't handle the sport. That time comes different for every fighter. Some guys, like Varner, are done at 30. Others, like Anderson, don't hit their prime until 30 and end up having 8 amazing years left. Anderson has a chance to walk away before he takes tons of damage.
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Any debate about the impact of TBi on one athlete in MMA is a debate about the impact of tBI on the whole sport. That's the world and environment we live in. Guys with TBi are shooting themselves and reporting miserable f---ing lives.
So yeah, saying that a guy who has only been knocked out once in the cage should retire to not further risk of damage is a strong statement.
Because of guys like Chuck. But you also look at guys like Andrei who had it happened to them in their 20s. Age isn't the only factor for guys getting chinny. The shape of your head, how you roll with punches, whether you played football or rugby or WRESTLED growing up, they all factor in.
I think that a brain scan showing how many concussions you've had is a much better predictor than age. If we are concerned enough about Anderson to root for his retirement, then we should be rooting for the retirement of a lot of fighters. And not obvious onces like Bigfoot who are already probably in for a life of memory loss, depression, and migraines.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer
Date: April 16, 2015 at 02:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Get rid of the rule already.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: April 16, 2015 at 02:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Jorge P said:
If you put Anderson Silva versus the top ten fighters in the Middleweight division, I can almost guarantee you that he is much, much less likely to walk out with out a TBI than any Middle weight fighter in the their 20s that you can find.
His risk of getting KTFO and suffering a concussion is much lower.
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Unless you've conducted a brain scan on Silva, that is not something you can even almost guarantee. I agree that he has great defense and is very elusive, but at 40 with recent concussions, he absolutely cannot take shots like most guys at MW. Maybe his technical ability will be enough to keep him going a few more years safely. Just based on what we have seen from once great fighters when they approach 40, the KOs happen more easily and therefore more frequently. Silva, so far, hasn't shown to be any different.
Any debate about the impact of TBi on one athlete in MMA is a debate about the impact of tBI on the whole sport. That's the world and environment we live in. Guys with TBi are shooting themselves and reporting miserable f---ing lives.
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Nobody is debating the impact of TBIs on any athlete. We are debating if now is a good time for Anderson to hang it up.
Chocolate covered fallacy cherries. Gross.
So yeah, saying that a guy who has only been knocked out once in the cage should retire to not further risk of damage is a strong statement.
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Wrong. I'm saying, a fighter who is 40, was KO'd in one fight, then was rocked pretty bad in the first round of the second fight, then had a terrible injury to end that fight, then reportedly was KO'd again in practice, should retire without needing to lose more fights to prove he simply doesn't have the durability to compete at the highest level. Unless, he elects to not compete at the highest level.
Because of guys like Chuck. But you also look at guys like Andrei who had it happened to them in their 20s. Age isn't the only factor for guys getting chinny. The shape of your head, how you roll with punches, whether you played football or rugby or WRESTLED growing up, they all factor in.
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Yep, everyone is different. Maybe Anderson can compete until he's 50. I just don't think he needs further in-cage evidence since we've already seen some pretty telling evidence that he's chinny.
I think that a brain scan showing how many concussions you've had is a much better predictor than age. If we are concerned enough about Anderson to root for his retirement, then we should be rooting for the retirement of a lot of fighters. And not obvious onces like Bigfoot who are already probably in for a life of memory loss, depression, and migraines.
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I don't disagree with you but this is a thread about Anderson Silva. Hence, not a place for you to argue against an argument that I'm not making.. Why would I call for the retirement other fighters in an Anderson Silva thread? Sounds like something that's right up your ally though.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: April 16, 2015 at 03:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Sedulous said:
Yep, everyone is different. Maybe Anderson can compete until he's 50. I just don't think he needs further in-cage evidence since we've already seen some pretty telling evidence that he's chinny.
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No. That's where I disagree with you. You are taking an unsubstantiated report about what happened in practice, with out any context of whether this has happened before to him, and then saying that because Chris Weidman can kick the crap out of Anderson, that he is chinny and should retire. You create a laundry list that essentially boils down to one fighter - Chris Weidman. We saw how his chin help up in the next fight. He absorbed 77 significant strikes. Never dropped. Never in trouble. And he was fine in the previous fight while eating direct punches from Bonnar. You're entire argument about him being "chinny" boils down to one guy knocking him out with a perfect punch right on the button while he was in a position that didn't allow his neck to move. And an unsubstantiated report about something that may or may not have happened in practice.
I don't disagree with you but this is a thread about Anderson Silva. Hence, not a place for you to argue against an argument that I'm not making..
Why would I call for the retirement other fighters in an Anderson Silva thread?
Sounds like something that's right up your ally though*.
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No, this is thread about whether Anderson gets more s--- and gets held to a different standard that other fighters. It is thread about people having a different set of expectations for him as they do for everyone else.
* more of this bulls---. How boring.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chromie
Date: April 16, 2015 at 03:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

didn't like Anderson before he got busted for steroids, like him even less after he got caught, whatever, dont care about him. If he just went away itd be fine with me...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: April 16, 2015 at 04:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Jorge P said:
No. That's where I disagree with you. You are taking an unsubstantiated report about what happened in practice, with out any context of whether this has happened before to him, and then saying that because Chris Weidman can kick the crap out of Anderson, that he is chinny and should retire. You create a laundry list that essentially boils down to one fighter - Chris Weidman. We saw how his chin help up in the next fight. He absorbed 77 significant strikes. Never dropped. Never in trouble. And he was fine in the previous fight while eating direct punches from Bonnar. You're entire argument about him being "chinny" boils down to one guy knocking him out with a perfect punch right on the button while he was in a position that didn't allow his neck to move. And an unsubstantiated report about something that may or may not have happened in practice.
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First off, the KO in practice is actually substantiated. The iffy part is whether or not Silva was joking when he substantiated it. However, the fighter responsible confirmed it happened.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/1...rms-he-knocked-anderson-silva-out-in-training
Weidman basically gave Silva two concussions. The first was in the first fight, the second was in the first round of the first fight when Silva got dropped from a clinch strike. This was not a powerful shot.
As for the Diaz fight, you say he absorbed "77 significant strikes" but not all of those were to the head. In fact only half of them were and a significant strike can be a light jab at a distance. He took around 35 head strikes over 5 rounds from a welterweight who typically does not throw power punches. Diaz does not in anyway represent the top MW guys like Jacare, Weidman, Vitor, Romero, and Rockhold. These guys are much bigger and heavier than Diaz, therefore much more capable of generating powerful shots. Like I said before, if Silva wants to fight welterweights who have a style of fighting that plays right into his own style, then I'll support that.
No, this is thread about whether Anderson gets more s--- and gets held to a different standard that other fighters. It is thread about people having a different set of expectations for him as they do for everyone else.
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No it's an Anderson Silva thread that particularly addresses why people are hating on him. I don't hate the guy, I just don't want to see him going until the already shaky wheels fall off. Apparently, you do.
* more of this bulls---. How boring.
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For sure going to point out your logical fallacy bulls--- every time I see it. So lose it or get used to it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: kirza82
Date: April 16, 2015 at 04:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Jorge P said:
If you put Anderson Silva versus the top ten fighters in the Middleweight division, I can almost guarantee you that he is much, much less likely to walk out with out a TBI than any Middle weight fighter in the their 20s that you can find.
His risk of getting KTFO and suffering a concussion is much lower.
Yawn.
Any debate about the impact of TBi on one athlete in MMA is a debate about the impact of tBI on the whole sport. That's the world and environment we live in. Guys with TBi are shooting themselves and reporting miserable f---ing lives.
So yeah, saying that a guy who has only been knocked out once in the cage should retire to not further risk of damage is a strong statement.
Because of guys like Chuck. But you also look at guys like Andrei who had it happened to them in their 20s. Age isn't the only factor for guys getting chinny. The shape of your head, how you roll with punches, whether you played football or rugby or WRESTLED growing up, they all factor in.
I think that a brain scan showing how many concussions you've had is a much better predictor than age. If we are concerned enough about Anderson to root for his retirement, then we should be rooting for the retirement of a lot of fighters. And not obvious onces like Bigfoot who are already probably in for a life of memory loss, depression, and migraines.
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TBI?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: April 16, 2015 at 04:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

kirza82 said:
TBI?
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Traumatic brain injury

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: April 16, 2015 at 04:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Sedulous said:
sure going to point out your logical fallacy bulls--- every time I see it. So lose it or get used to it.
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Lord. You really do see yourself as someone who can lecture on this topic.
Yawn.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: April 16, 2015 at 04:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Jorge P said:
Lord. You really do see yourself as someone who can lecture on this topic.
Yawn.
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lol oh the irony. The Lord of the Logical Fallacy strikes again

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: April 16, 2015 at 04:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Sedulous said:
lol oh the irony. The Lord of the Logical Fallacy strikes again
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the prince of the debate society had spoken! It is so!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: April 16, 2015 at 04:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

Jorge P said:
the prince of the debate society had spoken! It is so!
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You don't have to be the prince of the debate society to steer conversations away from logical fallacies.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BRF
Date: April 16, 2015 at 05:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/anderson-silva-backlash.66055/

abc0331 said:
Backlash for Silva comes in waves.
First it was people pissed about a boring fight with Lietes. But opinion quickly changed after he sent Forrest running home.
Next it was the ufc 112 backlash where even Dana White piled it on after a fight that Dilva dominated. And Sonnen compounded it even more with his verbal assault leading up for 117.
Then by the second Sonnen fight Sonnen came with the pre-fight verbal assault people forgot about Silva front kicking Belfort in to third row and turned on him again.
Weidman polarized people into two camps with Silva. The young under dog that had the self belief/ and those that thought Dilva deserved to lose by disrespecting his opponent and fighting such a dangerous competitor with his hands down.
People where stilled divided until Silva's leg divided, most prople rallied behind him in the nostagia of his career, when he announced his return people were happy.
Then he goes and fails a drug tests and does a really poor pr job in maintaining his image through such a monumental moment.
If Silva was younger I would say, "just wait till he dominates again and win everyone over again." Which is what more or less what the pattern has developed the last 10 years or so. But at 40 fighting on a mended leg, after the most devastating loses of his career and his image in shambles it is going to take one massive moment to turn everyone back around. But alas for the Spider, I do not think he has enough gas in the tank for that moment to occur.
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Weidman owned silva, didn't fall for any of his clowning so silva tried so hard to get him to react, failed, then got KTFO