Another whey protein question

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: HelioKnows
Date: September 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

I know when I stopped using whey protein I felt better, less bloated, and my digestive system ran better. Its just not something the body is made to digest. I switched to hemp protein. When I cant afford that, I just make my own natural chocolate protein shake.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: September 22, 2013 at 04:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

HelioKnows said:
I know when I stopped using whey protein I felt better, less bloated, and my digestive system ran better.
Its just not something the body is made to digest
. I switched to hemp protein. When I cant afford that, I just make my own natural chocolate protein shake.
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The body's not made to digest protein, huh? Explain.
Do you think the Whey protein found in human's milk is somehow one of natures fuckups and not meant to be digested?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: HelioKnows
Date: September 22, 2013 at 11:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

Fight Genome said:
The body's not made to digest protein, huh? Explain.
Do you think the Whey protein found in human's milk is somehow one of natures fuckups and not meant to be digested?
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I was saying that the body's not really made to digest WHEY protein, as in whey protein isolate. Do you even know what whey protein is? You think they take it straight from the cow, all natural and it magically turns to powder form and ends up on the shelves at your local GNC store? Nope! They isolate it from the liquid thats left over after they make cheese. So its basically a by-product of cheese production. Plus, dairy in general isn't really healthy anyway. Some people can tolerate dairy better than others but typically it causes problems. I believe milk is for babies, thats the way nature intended it to be. As we grow into adults, our body can lose the enzymes that are needed to digest milk properly. Whey protein can be hard on your kidneys, especially if your already eating a diet that is high in protein. Whey protein can also cause bloating, cramps, fatigue. Have you ever looked at the ingredients in a tub of whey protein powder? There are usually added chemicals, sweeteners, additives to make the protein mix and dissolve better. There is nothing natural about whey protein once it leaves the cow.
All I know is I'm glad I switched and I will never go back to whey. I just prefer something more natural like Hemp Force. For health reasons as well as performance.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: HelioKnows
Date: September 23, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

Fight Genome said:
Do you think the Whey protein found in human's milk is somehow one of natures fuckups and not meant to be digested?
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That question isn't even remotely revelent to this discussion. We are not talking about whey protein that is found in human milk and consumed by infants naturally from the teet... yes I said teet. We are talking about the whey protein that is isolated from cows milk during the production of cheese, goes through heat and acid treatment, drying and god knows what else, mixed with chemicals and additives, and put in a big tub for your convenience. Plus the cows that this stuff is coming from are probably sick and being pumped full of anti-biotics and hormones, unless it's coming from natural grass fed cattle, which is unlikely.
Does it sound like something you want to put in your body?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: September 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

I'm not a scientist or anything, but I'm skeptical when it comes to whey protein.
Not that it doesn't work for higher level bodybuilders/athletes (I understand the basic science behind it)... just when it comes to your average Joe who is starting a workout routine.
I really think that just getting in the gym 3-4 times a week, getting 4-5 cardio sessions in a week is going to be enough for 95% of people. I don't think you need to supplement with whey.
I don't think that your average Joe using protein is going to give any noticeable gains, because I don't think they are pushing themselves hard enough to the point where it is going to be necessary.
That's just my .02 though... and that's coming from someone who has tried whey protein and didn't notice any difference at all from when I used it and when I didn't.
Okay, put it this way... I think that your average Joe could get all of the benefits that whey would provide, if they just cleaned up their diet a bit. (drink milk instead of soda, eat chicken instead of fast food, consume vegetables instead of french fries)
I don't think that scoops of whey are going to provide as big of a benefit as some people on here think.
And again, if we're talking about high level bodybuilders that already have near perfect diets... that's an entirely different subject.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: September 23, 2013 at 01:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

osubuckeye4 said:
I'm not a scientist or anything, but I'm skeptical when it comes to whey protein.
Not that it doesn't work for higher level bodybuilders/athletes (I understand the basic science behind it)... just when it comes to your average Joe who is starting a workout routine.
I really think that just getting in the gym 3-4 times a week, getting 4-5 cardio sessions in a week is going to be enough for 95% of people. I don't think you need to supplement with whey.
I don't think that your average Joe using protein is going to give any noticeable gains, because I don't think they are pushing themselves hard enough to the point where it is going to be necessary.
That's just my .02 though... and that's coming from someone who has tried whey protein and didn't notice any difference at all from when I used it and when I didn't.
Okay, put it this way... I think that your average Joe could get all of the benefits that whey would provide, if they just cleaned up their diet a bit. (drink milk instead of soda, eat chicken instead of fast food, consume vegetables instead of french fries)
I don't think that scoops of whey are going to provide as big of a benefit as some people on here think.
And again, if we're talking about high level bodybuilders that already have near perfect diets... that's an entirely different subject.
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Not to support or dispute your point, but anyone looking for more info on the value of whey can look here:
Whey protein preserves muscle in a caloric deficit state:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2289832/
A complete listing of whey protein, with dozens of citations to medical studies can be found here:
http://examine.com/supplements/Whey+Protein/

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: September 23, 2013 at 01:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

HelioKnows said:
I was saying that the body's not really made to digest WHEY protein, as in whey protein isolate. Do you even know what whey protein is? You think they take it straight from the cow, all natural and it magically turns to powder form and ends up on the shelves at your local GNC store? Nope! They isolate it from the liquid thats left over after they make cheese. So its basically a by-product of cheese production. Plus, dairy in general isn't really healthy anyway. Some people can tolerate dairy better than others but typically it causes problems. I believe milk is for babies, thats the way nature intended it to be. As we grow into adults, our body can lose the enzymes that are needed to digest milk properly. Whey protein can be hard on your kidneys, especially if your already eating a diet that is high in protein. Whey protein can also cause bloating, cramps, fatigue. Have you ever looked at the ingredients in a tub of whey protein powder? There are usually added chemicals, sweeteners, additives to make the protein mix and dissolve better. There is nothing natural about whey protein once it leaves the cow.
All I know is I'm glad I switched and I will never go back to whey. I just prefer something more natural like Hemp Force. For health reasons as well as performance.
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Your n=1 evidence holds little weight, as there aren't many studies done that support hemp as a viable alternative to whey. You're free to cite double-blind studies that support the arguments you made, however in the absence of those I'm going to hold off on believing your claims.
I'm not trying to be rude, but there is a lot of pseudo-science out there espoused by some of the same people who support hemp protein, homeopathic method supporters for example. So barring scientific evidence that demonstrates hemp value I'm going to stick with my whey isolate.
Hemp does, however, have an interesting macronutrient profile at 65/5/30. Someone trying to minimize their carb intake would do well to look at hemp.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: HelioKnows
Date: September 23, 2013 at 03:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

bdmcleod said:
Your n=1 evidence holds little weight, as there aren't many studies done that support hemp as a viable alternative to whey. You're free to cite double-blind studies that support the arguments you made, however in the absence of those I'm going to hold off on believing your claims.
I'm not trying to be rude, but there is a lot of pseudo-science out there espoused by some of the same people who support hemp protein, homeopathic method supporters for example. So barring scientific evidence that demonstrates hemp value I'm going to stick with my whey isolate.
Hemp does, however, have an interesting macronutrient profile at 65/5/30. Someone trying to minimize their carb intake would do well to look at hemp.
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I see what your saying. Hell you can google anything and there will be some that say its good, and some that say its bad. For me though, I just believe that eating something more natural is always best. Also like I said, there is a ton of evidence out there that dairy is unhealthy anyway. I use hemp because its an all natural plant based protein, and its good for the average guy like me. I'm not trying to be a body builder or anything.
Lets look at the ingredients.....
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold Standard
INGREDIENTS
Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Peptides)
Cocoa (Processed with Alkali),
Artificial Flavors
Lecithin
Acesulfame
Potassium
Aminogen
Lactase
Hemp FORCE - Hemp Protein Superfood
INGREDIENTS
Hemp Protein (hemp seeds)
Cocoa
Maca
Stevia
Natural Vanilla
I'm not trying to push Hemp Force or anything. I'm just saying its healthier than whey. It's made with all natural "super foods". NO chemicals.
But it comes down to what are your goals? Me personally I am just trying to lose some weight, be as healthy as I can and take care of my body and make it run at the most optimal level possible. So it seems like common sense to me. However, if your goal is to put on slabs of muscle to be a body builder, or maybe your training to be a power lifter, then maybe you would want to dabble in the world of the different powders and potions. I have used both whey and hemp, believe me. So its not like I'm giving an opinion with no experience behind it. Since I have been eating more natural and cutting out the chemicals and preservatives my life and health are way better.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: September 23, 2013 at 03:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

HelioKnows said:
For me though, I just believe that eating something more natural is always best. Also like I said, there is a ton of evidence out there that dairy is unhealthy anyway. Since I have been eating more natural and cutting out the chemicals and preservatives my life and health are way better.
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I pulled out the only quotes I'm replying to:
Eating something natural is always best? Hemlock is natural, and poisonous. Many mushrooms are poisonous as well, autumn skullcap, for example. Daphne berry is natural, and poisonous. Puffer fish. Ackee fruit. et al... These are things that are natural, but very very bad when consumed. So natural isn't "always best." Is it?
Can you cite where dairy is unhealthy when consumed in moderation? Double-blind please.
Cutting out chemicals? Chemicals are merely a composition of atoms. Atoms are the building block of matter. Now, what are you eating that isn't comprised of matter/atoms?
You also don't score points for Hemp protein by tearing down Whey. To prove the value of Hemp protein you need to actually prove the value of hemp protein, not casually dismiss every study that showed whey protein has a net-positive effect by saying "it's not natural, and only natural is good." Also, dropping the keyword "super food" is a cheap ploy. What defines a super food? Super food is just a marketing term companies use to make their products sound awesomer than anything that isn't a super food.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: HelioKnows
Date: September 23, 2013 at 04:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

Wow. I said my peice. I'm not gonna argue. NO s--- there are things that are natural and poisonous. Im talking about natural whole foods.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: September 23, 2013 at 04:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

HelioKnows said:
Wow. I said my peice. I'm not gonna argue. NO s--- there are things that are natural and poisonous. Im talking about natural whole foods.
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The natural whole foods comprised of atoms, i.e. chemicals?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: September 23, 2013 at 05:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

HelioKnows said:
I was saying that the body's not really made to digest WHEY protein, as in whey protein isolate. Do you even know what whey protein is?
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LOL
Yes I do. It's a combination of amino acids that are structured in a certain way that's called Whey protein. Whey protein isolate is just powdered whey protein that's been micro filtered to remove more of the lactose, a carbohydrate.
It's still a protein that the body easily digests. In fact, it's one of the most easily digestible proteins according to Protein Efficiency Ratio (PRE) indexes.
The protein efficiency ratio (PER) is the official method for protein
quality evaluation in the United States and Canada.
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A PDCAAS value of
1 is the highest
, and
0 the lowest
. The table shows the ratings of selected foods.
1.00
casein (milk protein)
1.00
egg white
1.00
soy protein
1.00
whey (milk protein)
0.99
mycoprotein
0.92
beef
0.91
soybeans
0.78
chickpeas
0.76
fruits
0.75
black beans
[
disambiguation needed
]
0.73
vegetables
0.70 Other
legumes
0.59
cereals
and derivatives
0.52
peanuts
0.42
whole wheat
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HelioKnows said:
You think they take it straight from the cow, all natural and it magically turns to powder form and ends up on the shelves at your local GNC store? Nope! They isolate it from the liquid thats left over after they make cheese. So its basically a by-product of cheese production. Plus, dairy in general isn't really healthy anyway.
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Whey protein can be consumed straight from the cow, or sheep or goat or human if you choose, it's a protein in MILK. When you drink milk, you're drinking Whey protein straight from the cow bro. It can be turned to powder, but you don't have to consume the powdered form to get Whey protein.
Even in powdered form, it doesn't mean the amino acid profile has been altered. It's the same profile that's found in milk otherwise they wouldn't call it Whey protein. The powdered form has just gone through more processing.
HelioKnows said:
Some people can tolerate dairy better than others but typically it causes problems. I believe milk is for babies, thats the way nature intended it to be. As we grow into adults, our body can lose the enzymes that are needed to digest milk properly.
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That has nothing to do with the Whey protein in the milk.
It's the LACTOSE
, or possibly the Casein proteins. Shortly after weaning (not as we grow into adults) humans naturally lose the enzyme (lactase) required to digest lactose (the sugar in milk) which results in lactose intolerance (that where the problems arise). Still some populations continue to produce lactase into adult hood (lactase persistance) and have no problems at all.
HelioKnows said:
Whey protein can be hard on your kidneys, especially if your already eating a diet that is high in protein. Whey protein can also cause bloating, cramps, fatigue. Have you ever looked at the ingredients in a tub of whey protein powder? There are usually added chemicals, sweeteners, additives to make the protein mix and dissolve better. There is nothing natural about whey protein once it leaves the cow.
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All proteins may be hard on the kidney's. I've heard
LACTOSE
can cause bloating, cramps, that's called lactose intolerance. A high quality whey protein isolate or hydro-isolate can mitigate those problems possibly, for some individuals.
It's those added ingredients, chemicals, sweeteners, additives that you want to look at not consuming, again those have nothing to do with the Whey protein itself.
HelioKnows said:
All I know is I'm glad I switched and I will never go back to whey. I just prefer something more natural like Hemp Force. For health reasons as well as performance.
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LOL, OK then.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: September 23, 2013 at 05:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

bdmcleod said:
Not to support or dispute your point, but anyone looking for more info on the value of whey can look here:
Whey protein preserves muscle in a caloric deficit state:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2289832/
A complete listing of whey protein, with dozens of citations to medical studies can be found here:
http://examine.com/supplements/Whey Protein/
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I should have said, "I'm skeptical of whey protein
in powder form that one adds as a supplement to water/milk
"
Obviously everyone needs protein (casein and whey), I just think that the majority of people in an industrialized nation can get more than enough whey protein in a balanced diet and still look/feel great.
Only aspiring bodybuilders and higher level athletes are going to need to consume additional scoops to reach their desired goals.
And again, I'm not a scientist and don't pretend to have a ton of scientific knowledge to back up anything I said. Just what I've seen through observation and self study. Most dudes I know who started taking whey protein that had results are guys who lift religiously 3-4 times a week to begin with. Majority of people who started working out and taking whey at the same time didn't really have any results and just quit after a few weeks.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: September 23, 2013 at 05:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

osubuckeye4 said:
I should have said, "I'm skeptical of whey protein
in powder form that one adds as a supplement to water/milk
"
Obviously everyone needs protein (casein and whey), I just think that the majority of people in an industrialized nation can get more than enough whey protein in a balanced diet and still look/feel great.
Only aspiring bodybuilders and higher level athletes are going to need to consume additional scoops to reach their desired goals.
And again, I'm not a scientist and don't pretend to have a ton of scientific knowledge to back up anything I said. Just what I've seen through observation and self study. Most dudes I know who started taking whey protein that had results are guys who lift religiously 3-4 times a week to begin with. Majority of people who started working out and taking whey at the same time didn't really have any results and just quit after a few weeks.
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I'm seeing you say two things here.
1) Guys who don't really know what they're doing and take whey as a supplement, don't see much benefit.
2)Guys who put some effort into their health and take the supplement do see some benefits.
I can't disagree with that.
Here's an example where Whey protein as a supplement could benefit someone, who doesn't work out.
Take an individual who's Lactose intolerant and needs a quick and easy way to add protein to their diet. Said person could benefit from supplementing with a Whey protein isolate or hydro-isolate. Both of which have more of the lactose removed through the filtration process. Some companies like OptimumNutrition, who's profile HelioKnows posted above even have added
^"
lactase
"
added, the enzyme which breaks down lactose.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: September 23, 2013 at 05:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

Fight Genome said:
I'm seeing you say two things here.
1) Guys who don't really know what they're doing and take whey as a supplement, don't see much benefit.
2)Guys who put some effort into their health and take the supplement do see some benefits.
I can't disagree with that.
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Well, pretty much.
I don't know that I'd add the "don't know what they are doing" qualifer to it though.
I think a lot of people (who exercise/lift) do understand the general science behind adding whey supplement to their diet (some will do the research, others will talk to some salesperson at GNC who will break it down for them)... but they underestimate how hard they are going to have to workout in order for the benefits to noticeably kick in.
Ditto with sports drinks like Gatorade.
Someone who hits the eliptical for 15-25 minutes isn't going to need to chug a bottle of Gatorade after a workout to replenish electrolytes. Why? Becuase they really don't burn that many electrolytes from their workout. The only real benefit they are getting from the Gatorade is calories, and they should adjust the rest of their diet to factor in the calories drank from the Gatorade... but, most people don't.
Now, someone who runs a marathon? Yes, they will benefit from drinking Gatorade as opposed to just drinking water.
Your correct in saying that people who do understand the sciene and put in the work will see benefits (that's pretty scientifically established). I just don't think that is a very high percentage of people.
I think a lot of people are being duped by GNC, is, I guess what I'm getting at. They are being told that they need protein to supplment their workouts... but, they really aren't working out hard enough to see the benefits. Essentially, they are wasting money.
The OP of this thread (who, again, wrote this 4 years ago) would fall into that category. Someone who is just starting to workout... I don't think whey supplments are necessary at that level, it's essentially just throwing money away.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JW1978
Date: September 24, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

osubuckeye4 said:
Well, pretty much.
I don't know that I'd add the "don't know what they are doing" qualifer to it though.
I think a lot of people (who exercise/lift) do understand the general science behind adding whey supplement to their diet (some will do the research, others will talk to some salesperson at GNC who will break it down for them)... but they underestimate how hard they are going to have to workout in order for the benefits to noticeably kick in.
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I can get with this, although I disagreed with your earlier point (or maybe with how it was stated). Protein is absolutely essential if you're trying to build muscle, but so is heavy, intense lifting. It's not just for bodybuilders, but anyone looking to add muscle mass, be they football players, wrestlers, skinny people, bodybuilders or those of us who simply want to add muscle to our frame. The thing about a protein supplement is that in a 250-calorie (or less) shake, you can get as much protein as 600-700 calories of red meat. If there is one, single supplement that someone working out should or could take, it would be protein. Even if you're just an endurance athlete doing cardio all the time, protein will help with retaining muscle mass. The only negative for most folks who aren't serious about working out is that they are losing money that they don't need to spend. But for those who are serious, the only way to reasonably get the amount of protein necessary is to use a supplement.
I try to get about 100-120 grams of protein a day between my diet and supplements. It's not impossible to do without protein supplements, but it would be difficult, and especially so to keep my calorie intake in check while getting the necessary amount of protein to reach my goals (not to mention avoiding the "side-effects" of eating a dozen eggs a day). But at the end of the day, any
supplement
is worthless if you're not putting in the effort necessary to reach your goals.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: September 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

JW1978 said:
I can get with this, although I disagreed with your earlier point (or maybe with how it was stated). Protein is absolutely essential if you're trying to build muscle, but so is heavy, intense lifting. It's not just for bodybuilders, but anyone looking to add muscle mass, be they football players, wrestlers, skinny people, bodybuilders or those of us who simply want to add muscle to our frame. The thing about a protein supplement is that in a 250-calorie (or less) shake, you can get as much protein as 600-700 calories of red meat. If there is one, single supplement that someone working out should or could take, it would be protein. Even if you're just an endurance athlete doing cardio all the time, protein will help with retaining muscle mass. The only negative for most folks who aren't serious about working out is that they are losing money that they don't need to spend. But for those who are serious, the only way to reasonably get the amount of protein necessary is to use a supplement.
I try to get about 100-120 grams of protein a day between my diet and supplements. It's not impossible to do without protein supplements, but it would be difficult, and especially so to keep my calorie intake in check while getting the necessary amount of protein to reach my goals (not to mention avoiding the "side-effects" of eating a dozen eggs a day). But at the end of the day, any
supplement
is worthless if you're not putting in the effort necessary to reach your goals.
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I agree with this. OSU stated that whey protein is throwing away money, but the fact is the person is going to get their calories from somewhere, and that's going to cost money anyway.
I can either spend 55$ on 71 servings of Optimum Nutrition's best whey, or I can spend 2.20 per pound on chicken breast.
You're getting 31 grams of protein per dollar with the whey, and 43 per dollar with the chicken. The chicken requires up to an hour cooking time to prepare and bake, doesn't keep as well, and isn't consumable on the go. With my protein I keep the tub in my car, and all I need is my shaker bottle and some milk. I can easily consume 60 grams of protein by this method in a few minutes, instead of cooking 9 ounces of chicken.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: September 24, 2013 at 05:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

bdmcleod said:
I agree with this. OSU stated that whey protein is throwing away money, but the fact is the person is going to get their calories from somewhere, and that's going to cost money anyway.
I can either spend 55$ on 71 servings of Optimum Nutrition's best whey, or I can spend 2.20 per pound on chicken breast.
You're getting 31 grams of protein per dollar with the whey, and 43 per dollar with the chicken. The chicken requires up to an hour cooking time to prepare and bake, doesn't keep as well, and isn't consumable on the go. With my protein I keep the tub in my car, and all I need is my shaker bottle and some milk. I can easily consume 60 grams of protein by this method in a few minutes, instead of cooking 9 ounces of chicken.
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You still have to eat something on top of your Optimun Nutrition though... not the case with chicken. I've never met anyone that lived off of a diet that considted of supplments. They are called supplments because they are a supplment to a normal diet... an additional step.
I stated that whey protein is throwing way money for a lot of people, because they don't workout hard enough to need the additional grams of protein. They read about how protein + lifting builds muscle... but then they go to the gym and do nothing but 60% of their max on curls, lat pulldowns, and the pec deck machine, hop on the eliptical for 15-20 minutes, then call it a day.
You can build muscle doing that (it's definitely better than not lifting at all), but you're not going to need the additional protein that supplements provide because you quite frankly aren't working out hard enough. Eating chicken and drinking milk is enough protein for that diet, and that diet is going to be fine for most people who aren't looking to get ripped or excel in athletic competition. (Despite what the guy at GNC tells you to the contrary)
I only went off on this tangent because the OP mentioned that he was lifting for the first time. He doesn't need supplements right off the bat, the important things are getting to the gym and cleaning up his diet. Once those things are in place, then go ahead and shell out money for supplements if you want to broaden your goals. Everyone talking about high level performance, I agree with you... and, you know more than me about it so I'm not going to try to add anything to that aspect of the discussion. I'm talking about beginners, which the OP said he was.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: HelioKnows
Date: September 24, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

bdmcleod said:
I can easily consume 60 grams of protein by this method in a few minutes
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Why on earth would you want to take that much whey protein at one time? Your kidneys must hate you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: September 24, 2013 at 10:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/another-whey-protein-question.17443/

HelioKnows said:
[quote="bdmcleod, post: 1571817, member: 13950] I can easily consume 60 grams of protein by this method in a few minutes
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Why on earth would you want to take that much whey protein at one time? Your kidneys must hate you.[/quote]
LOL! Cite where 60 grams in one sitting is detrimental. Otherwise quit spewing your pseudo-science garbage.