Are there any more trains leaving the station?
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Ronda looks to be getting first shot at meisha
PVZ was straight back in the gym after her loss. She's young and is improving everyday. I felt her hype was harsh
Sage is a kid. He could have 15 years easily in this game.
A loss at this stage of his career is meaningless
I'll give you Holly (for now)
Connor is 145 lbs champ, his next fight will be against Edgar or Aldo
Jon is getting his belt back next fight
smartigan said:
Ronda looks to be getting first shot at meisha
PVZ was straight back in the gym after her loss. She's young and is improving everyday. I felt her hype was harsh
Sage is a kid. He could have 15 years easily in this game.
A loss at this stage of his career is meaningless
I'll give you Holly (for now)
Connor is 145 lbs champ, his next fight will be against Edgar or Aldo
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IDK bout Sage. I think that loss showed enough. Be surprised if he rattled off 4 wins.
PVZ needs a new gym
Womens 135 is tough Cat,Shevchenko, Nunes, Rousey, Tate all those girls could win on any given night
Why cant people just be fans of mma and thats it? Why does there always have to be a freaking "hype train?" And for "fans" of the sport to be so happy when that "train"goes off track." Its annoying. I cant wait to see how all of them come back from their recent losses & continue to grow (excluding Ronda. She's gone i think).
It makes the aftermath of watching mma less enjoyable more often than not. Everyone needs to be undefeated these days & its stupid. If you lose your overrated now apparently
esok said:
No more Ronda
No more PVZ
No more Sage Northcutt
No more Holly Holm (short rout)
No more Conor Mac
Am I missing any???
The Bones Jones train is still n track just had a detour for repairs.
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I don't really understand the "train" thing.
If you're talking about "fan base" - they might have lost, what, 2% of their fan base. When you're not a fan of someone at the first loss, it means you weren't a fan in the first place.
If you're talking about numbers (ppv selling, for instance), I'm pretty sure that Ronda's come back will be huge, as well as McGregor's next fight.
Holm, Sage and PVZ were just "in the making" (long-term shot by the UFC) and still have time to rebuild themselves. UFC will just need another angle to sell them for their next fight 'young promising prospect coming back stronger from a loss' is something that works pretty well.
And some new "trains" are arriving;
Wonderboy, Jones' return, CM Punk (haha, not), Almeida, etc.
Mike Porch MMA said:
If you lose your overrated now apparently
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It's been that way for a long time. Any time someone loses they're exposed, or overrated, or were never that good anyway, and they're certainly going to lose every fight they ever have from now on.
Mike Porch MMA said:
Why cant people just be fans of mma and thats it? Why does there always have to be a freaking "hype train?" And for "fans" of the sport to be so happy when that "train"goes off track." Its annoying. I cant wait to see how all of them come back from their recent losses & continue to grow (excluding Ronda. She's gone i think).
It makes the aftermath of watching mma less enjoyable more often than not. Everyone needs to be undefeated these days & its stupid. If you lose your overrated now apparently
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It's all about celebrating fighters losing these days sadly
smartigan said:
It's all about celebrating fighters losing these days sadly
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True dat.
Werdum has the performance of his life against Velasquez -> Velasquez was stupid not preparing in altitude
Conor destroys Mendes -> Mendes didn't have a full camp. He toys Aldo -> lucky punch
Michael Bisping shows heart and fight IQ -> Anderson was stupid playing around
Rockhold being Rockhold (one of the best mma fighter ever) -> Weidman threw a stupid spinning kick
Holm plays with Ronda -> Always said Ronda had a bad striking defense
Nate Diaz submits Conor -> LOL, Conor has no ground game
Miesha submits Holm -> LOL, Holm has no ground game
It's not even about celebrating fighters losing, it's about explaining why someone lost, instead of understanding why the other won.
Quick analysis:
(because I told my mate live what Nate needed to do to win):
Everytime Nate threw a jab, Conor slipped and countered and at the beginning Nate was afraid to go for his signature 1-2.
At some point Conor only slipped and didn't counter anymore. I told my friend "When you're an elite fighter, you don't have weaknesses, but you have habits, and that becomes weaknesses. Conor always defend the jab with the same move; if Nate follows it with the cross, it'll be a hit".
That was the story, after the slip, Conor made rebalanced his whole body between his legs, and he met the cross of Nate, got hurt and well, when you're hurt and Nate has the mount, you can be as slick as you want, there's a high chanc you're getting subbed (Gomi is another example).
That's my very quick analysis. Conor is known for collecting data during a fight, he only collected Nate's data, not his own. That was the beginning of the end.
ChrisminaL said:
True dat.
Werdum has the performance of his life against Velasquez -> Velasquez was stupid not preparing in altitude
Conor destroys Mendes -> Mendes didn't have a full camp. He toys Aldo -> lucky punch
Michael Bisping shows heart and fight IQ -> Anderson was stupid playing around
Rockhold being Rockhold (one of the best mma fighter ever) -> Weidman threw a stupid spinning kick
Holm plays with Ronda -> Always said Ronda had a bad striking defense
Nate Diaz submits Conor -> LOL, Conor has no ground game
Miesha submits Holm -> LOL, Holm has no ground game
It's not even about celebrating fighters losing, it's about explaining why someone lost, instead of understanding why the other won.
Quick analysis:
(because I told my mate live what Nate needed to do to win):
Everytime Nate threw a jab, Conor slipped and countered and at the beginning Nate was afraid to go for his signature 1-2.
At some point Conor only slipped and didn't counter anymore. I told my friend "When you're an elite fighter, you don't have weaknesses, but you have habits, and that becomes weaknesses. Conor always defend the jab with the same move; if Nate follows it with the cross, it'll be a hit".
That was the story, after the slip, Conor made rebalanced his whole body between his legs, and he met the cross of Nate, got hurt and well, when you're hurt and Nate has the mount, you can be as slick as you want, there's a high chanc you're getting subbed (Gomi is another example).
That's my very quick analysis. Conor is known for collecting data during a fight, he only collected Nate's data, not his own. That was the beginning of the end.
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Brilliant
esok said:
No more Ronda
No more PVZ
No more Sage Northcutt
No more Holly Holm (short rout)
No more Conor Mac
Am I missing any???
The Bones Jones train is still n track just had a detour for repairs.
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Reckin007 said:
What trains? Where did they go?
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ChrisminaL said:
I don't really understand the "train" thing.
If you're talking about "fan base" - they might have lost, what, 2% of their fan base. When you're not a fan of someone at the first loss, it means you weren't a fan in the first place.
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I agree with Reckin and Chrismina. This isn't boxing. Every MMA fighter loses. Those who like those fighters will continue to follow them. Most of these people still have a promising future and/or present.
Dana is already planning on getting the trains back on track. Ronda is getting the shot so she can get her belt back then set up a high paying/high view ppv with rr vs hh 2. And Conor is going to defend his belt against Edgar and then maybe go to 155. To lose to Diaz again. But both of their next fights are going to be fights Dana sees them winning and building them back up with.
PejaPolo said:
Dana is already planning on getting the trains back on track. Ronda is getting the shot so she can get her belt back then set up a high paying/high view ppv with rr vs hh 2. And Conor is going to defend his belt against Edgar and then maybe go to 155. To lose to Diaz again. But both of their next fights are going to be fights Dana sees them winning and building them back up with.
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You're making it sound like they are going to hand out easy fights to marketable stars which couldn't be further from the truth. They wanted Holm/Rousey rematch and had Conor fighting a LW killer....and then possibly Lawler.
Reckin007 said:
You're making it sound like they are going to hand out easy fights to marketable stars which couldn't be further from the truth. They wanted Holm/Rousey rematch and had Conor fighting a LW killer....and then possibly Lawler.
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If Ronda wanted an immediate rematch Dana would have had no issue giving it to her before she was even ready to fight. Holm got caught in the 5th round but instead of even talking about an immediate rematch it goes straight to Ronda fighting someone she has beaten and confident in fighting. He could/should wait for Ronda to recover more anyway if her health was in his mind at all.
And with Conor, all there was was talk about him fighting RDA and moving up blah blah blah. Now its more ok let's get you back in a division we know you can win. If weight was an issue or anything else then he could even fight Diaz at 155. It is like the hype or confidence in Conor blew away. I couldn't care less about him fighting Edgar or anyone at 145. We see how strung out and small he is so. Anyway, I just think this is definitely a "give them a win" type matchups. I like Edgar too. Dana really wants them back in the win column and back in the media talkin s---. Even though now it won't mean nearly as much.
Seeing Conor talk s--- now is going to be totally different.
They wanted that for conor because they thought he could do it. A 155 killer? I'm a diaz fan and wouldn't say that. RDA beat him and its not like Conor isn't the same size if not bigger than most of these guys at 155. Some might have height but that's it on him. They only talked about Lawler because everyone else was. No one thought he stood a chance against a real 170lbser especially Lawler.
Mike Porch MMA said:
Why cant people just be fans of mma and thats it? Why does there always have to be a freaking "hype train?" And for "fans" of the sport to be so happy when that "train"goes off track." Its annoying. I cant wait to see how all of them come back from their recent losses & continue to grow (excluding Ronda. She's gone i think).
It makes the aftermath of watching mma less enjoyable more often than not. Everyone needs to be undefeated these days & its stupid. If you lose your overrated now apparently
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That's because the hype train fits the Mr. McMahon narrative that so many like to play with Dana white.
Everyone likes to celebrate when the "establishment" has to figure the future out. In reality it's just crabs in a bucket gleefully happy that someone failed short of greatness. Just because it sticks it to the man. Sorry, I follow sports because I like people achieving greatness, not tearing them down on superficial personality flaws.
PejaPolo said:
If Ronda wanted an immediate rematch Dana would have had no issue giving it to her before she was even ready to fight. Holm got caught in the 5th round but instead of even talking about an immediate rematch it goes straight to Ronda fighting someone she has beaten and confident in fighting. He could/should wait for Ronda to recover more anyway if her health was in his mind at all.
And with Conor, all there was was talk about him fighting RDA and moving up blah blah blah. Now its more ok let's get you back in a division we know you can win. If weight was an issue or anything else then he could even fight Diaz at 155. It is like the hype or confidence in Conor blew away. I couldn't care less about him fighting Edgar or anyone at 145. We see how strung out and small he is so. Anyway, I just think this is definitely a "give them a win" type matchups. I like Edgar too. Dana really wants them back in the win column and back in the media talkin s---. Even though now it won't mean nearly as much.
Seeing Conor talk s--- now is going to be totally different.
They wanted that for conor because they thought he could do it. A 155 killer? I'm a diaz fan and wouldn't say that. RDA beat him and its not like Conor isn't the same size if not bigger than most of these guys at 155. Some might have height but that's it on him. They only talked about Lawler because everyone else was. No one thought he stood a chance against a real 170lbser especially Lawler.
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If it was all about winning Conor wouldn't have gotten Diaz/Mendes (or Edgar) on short notice. At the end of the day he's the 145 champ and still has important fights there. Ronda was going to follow the title no matter who won. I really think people give Dana White way too much credit with all this planning stuff lol. "Anything can happen" has always been his motto.