Ariel Helwani's rankings

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Originally posted by: smartigan
Date: April 01, 2011 at 04:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

Note: of the 70 male fighters ranked, only Eddie Alvarez, Hatsu Hioki, Joe Warren, Marlon Sandro and Masakatsu Ueda are non-Zuffa fighters. How the times have changed.
Take a look at the rankings below. View past rankings.
HEAVYWEIGHT
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) - According to Velasquez's trainer Javier Mendez, the heavyweight champion's rehab has been "slow."
2. Junior dos Santos (12-1) - JDS vs. Brock Lesnar is set for June 11.
3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) - Werdum vs. Overeem has been pushed back to June 18, meaning Werdum will not have fought for just about a year after the biggest win of his career.
4. Brock Lesnar (5-2) - See #2.
5. Alistair Overeem (34-11, 1 NC) - See #3.
6. Antonio Silva (16-2) - He will wait for the winner of Overeem-Werdum.
7. Fedor Emelianenko (31-3, 1 NC) - M-1 Global and Strikeforce say Emelianenko will be back in the summer.
8. Shane Carwin (12-1) - Will face UFC newcomer Jon Olav Einemo at UFC 131 in June.
9. Frank Mir (14-5) - Fights Roy Nelson in May.
10. Roy Nelson (15-5) - See #9.
Honorable mention: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Sergei Kharitonov, Brendan Schaub, Mirko Cro Cop.
LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT
1. Jon Jones - (13-1) Something tells me we will be seeing his name in this spot for a long time.
2. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (19-5) - Jones made Rua look like just another fighter. He's not, but that's just how good Jones is right now.
3. Rashad Evans (15-1-1) - He's next in line for a title shot. No word on when the fight will take place yet.
4. Quinton Jackson (31-8) - Faces Matt Hamill at UFC 130 in May.
5. Lyoto Machida (16-2) - Will fight Randy Couture on April 30.
6. Forrest Griffin (18-6) - No word just yet on what's next for Grrin.
7. Dan Henderson (27-8) - Henderson appears to be back in good graces with Dana White.
8. Ryan Bader (12-1) - Will face Tito Ortiz at UFC 132.
9. Phil Davis (9-0) - I don't understand the criticism after his win over Nogueira.
10. Randy Couture (19-10) - See #4.
Honorable Mention: Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante, Muhammed Lawal, Gegard Mousasi, Rich Franklin, Matt Hamill, Vladimir Matyushenko,
MIDDLEWEIGHT
1. Anderson Silva (28-4) - Will wait to see what happens when GSP fights Shields on April 30.
2. Chael Sonnen (25-11-1) - Publicly called out Michael Bisping. Still no word on his return.
3. Yushin Okami (26-5) - Unless Shields beats GSP, looks like he won't be getting a title shot any time soon.
4. Nate Marquardt (31-10-2) - Defeated Dan Miller at 128. Considering move to welterweight.
5. Demian Maia (14-2) - Solid win over Kendall Grove in December. No word on his return.
6. Michael Bisping (21-3) - Wants Sonnen next.
7. Ronaldo Souza (14-2, 1 NC) - No idea who is next. Mayhem?
8. Vitor Belfort (19-9) - Dana White wants him to fight Wanderlei Silva next.
9. Alan Belcher (16-6) - He has been cleared to train following multiple eye surgeries this summer.
10. Jorge Santiago (23-8) - Faces Brian Stann at UFC 130.
Honorable Mention: Hector Lombard, Brian Stann, Kazuo Misaki, Robbie Lawler, Wanderlei Silva.
WELTERWEIGHT
1. Georges St-Pierre (21-2) - Will face Jake Shields on April 30 in Toronto.
2. Jon Fitch (23-3-1, 1 NC) - Forced to pull out of his rematch against BJ Penn due to a shoulder injury.
3. Jake Shields (26-4-1) - See #1.
4. Nick Diaz (24-7, 1 ND) - Will face Paul Daley on April 9.
5. Thiago Alves (18-7) - Faces Rick Story at UFC 130.
6. Josh Koscheck (15-5) - If all goes well for his recovering orbital bone, he could return by the end of the year.
7. BJ Penn (16-7-2) - No word on who he will fight next.
8. Carlos Condit (26-5) - Publicly stated he would be willing to fight Penn.
9. Paul Daley (27-9-2) - See #4.
10. Diego Sanchez (23-4) - Coming off a controversial, yet entertaining win over Martin Kampmann at UFC on Versus 3.
Honorable Mention: Martin Kampmann, Mike Pyle, Ben Askren, Jake Ellenberger, Anthony Johnson.
LIGHTWEIGH
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1. Frankie Edgar (13-1-1) - Gets a third crack at Gray Maynard at UFC 130.
2. Gray Maynard (10-0-1) - See above.
3. BJ Penn (16-7-1) - I still think Penn is one of the best lightweights in the world.
4. Gilbert Melendez (18-2) - Will finally defend his title again on April 9 against Tatusya Kawajiri.
5. Shinya Aoki (26-6, 1 NC) - Will face Lyle Beerbohm on the April 9 Strikeforce card.
6. Eddie Alvarez (21-2) - Defends his Bellator title for the first time against Pat Curran on April 2.
7. Jim Miller (20-2) - Miller won his seventh in a row when he beat Kamal Shalorus at UFC 128.
8. Kenny Florian (13-5) - Dropping down to 145 to fight Diego Nunes in June.
9. Tatsuya Kawajiri (27-6-2) - See #4.
10. Anthony Pettis (13-1) - "Showtime" will have to wait a little longer to get his shot at the UFC lightweight title.
Honorable Mention: Dennis Siver, Clay Guida, George Sotiropoulos, Sean Sherk, Melvin Guillard, Evan Dunham, Josh Thomson, "JZ" Cavalcante.
FEATHERWEIGHT
1. Jose Aldo (18-1) - Will defend his title against Mark Hominick on April 30.
2. Hatsu Hioki (23-4-2) - No word on when he will return to action.
3. Chad Mendes (10-0) - Dominated Michihiro Omigawa at UFC 126. I think he's next in line for a title shot.
4. Diego Nunes (16-1) - Welcomes Kenny Florian to the featherweight division in June.
5. Manny Gamburyan (11-5) - Pulled out of UFC 128 due to an injury.
6. Michihiro Omigawa (12-9-1) - Faces Darren Elkins at UFC 131.
7. Marlon Sandro (17-2) - Newest member of the Bellator featherweight division.
8. Mark Hominick (20-8) - His win over George Roop on Jan. 22 secured "The Machine" a title shot against Aldo in his home province of Ontario on April 30.
9. Joe Warren (6-1) - Faces Marcos Galvao on April 16.
10. Dustin Poirier (9-1) - Faces Rani Yahya at UFC 131.
Honorable Mention: Erik Koch, Josh Grispi, Hiroyuki Takaya, Raphael Assuncao, Rani Yahya.
BANTAMWEIGHT
1. Dominick Cruz (17-1) - Defends his UFC title for the first time on July 2 against Urijah Faber.
2. Brian Bowles (9-1) - Looked great in his UFC debut against Damacio Page.
3. Joseph Benavidez (14-2) - Solid win over Ian Loveland at UFC 128.
4. Miguel Torres (39-3) - Fights Brad Pickett at UFC 130 in May.
5. Urijah Faber (25-4) - See #1.
6. Scott Jorgensen (11-4) - Faces Ken Stone in June.
7. Brad Pickett (20-5) - See #4.
8. Demetrious Johnson (8-1) - Looked great against KID Yamamoto at UFC 126. Faces Renan Barao in June.
9. Eddie Wineland (17-7-1) - Dana White seemed impressive by his performance in a loss against Faber.
10. Masakatsu Ueda (12-1-2) - Defeated Ralph Acosta at Shooto in January.
Honorable Mention: Wagnney Fabiano, Cole Escovedo, Antonio Banuelos, Michael McDonald, Charlie Valencia.
MALE POUND-FOR-POUND
:
1. Anderson Silva (Brazil)
2. Georges St-Pierre (Canada)
3. Jose Aldo (Brazil)
4. Jon Jones (USA)
5. Frankie Edgar (USA)
6. Jon Fitch (USA)
7. Jake Shields (USA)
8. Dominick Cruz (USA)
9. Cain Velasquez (USA)
10. BJ Penn (USA)
FEMALE POUND-FOR-POUND
:
1. Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos (10-1)
2. Zoila Gurgel (11-1)
3. Megumi Fujii (22-1)
4. Tara LaRosa (20-2)
5. Marloes Coenen (19-4)
6. Sarah Kaufman (12-1)
7. Miesha Tate (11-2)
8. Rosi Sexton (12-2)
9. Roxanne Modafferi (15-7)
10. Shayna Baszler (14-6)
 
Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer
Date: April 01, 2011 at 05:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

Not bad... not much to disagree with.
Does anyone know where to find the MMA Junkie Radio--George and Gose--rankings?
 
Originally posted by: Galgorian
Date: April 01, 2011 at 05:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

Holy block of text. Hitting the edit button and splitting that jazz up would be greatly appreciated.
 
Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: April 01, 2011 at 05:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

Idk about Shinya Aoki being number 5 in the LW division..Thats kinda crazy. I don't see much in Aoki. Especially after Melendez made him look like an amature.
 
Originally posted by: smartigan
Date: April 01, 2011 at 05:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

Galgorian said:
Holy block of text. Hitting the edit button and splitting that jazz up would be greatly appreciated.
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It wasn't like that when I copied that
The edit icon isn't there?
 
Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: April 01, 2011 at 06:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

HW- I dont agree with Fedor being in the top 10 HW's, honorable mention at best and no way in hell should Cro-Cop even be considered an honorable mention.
LHW- why does it say see #4 next to Couture when #4 is Rampage? I never understand Helwani. Rich Franklin? Inconsistent at best at LHW.
MW - Belfort? 0-1 at MW in the UFC and he is #8? The rest im aiiiight with.
WW- Not bad. Penn, losing record at this weight and he is #7?
Lw- Penn is a WW and Helwani ranks him in the LW's? Not sure why Penn is still ranked so high when he doesnt fight there anymore.
FW- Its good.
BW- Id be perfecly happy if Faber was just taken off the list all together.
P4P - Fuji is the best female.
P4P - Male order will change after UFC 129. If GSP looks great then he will be back on top and if Aderson looks good in his next, he will be back on top. Whoever is the most recent to fight usually gets put back on top.
 
Originally posted by: gzfzvz
Date: April 01, 2011 at 06:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

no overeem on the p4p list...
PSSSHHHH.... :x
 
Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: April 01, 2011 at 06:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

i think ariel purposely did his rankings "correct on paper" to keep everyone happy and avoid scrutiny
 
Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: April 01, 2011 at 06:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
i think ariel purposely did his rankings "correct on paper" to keep everyone happy and avoid scrutiny
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And to keep in Dana's good graces.
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: April 01, 2011 at 06:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

smartigan said:
Galgorian said:
Holy block of text. Hitting the edit button and splitting that jazz up would be greatly appreciated.
Click to expand...
It wasn't like that when I copied that
The edit icon isn't there?
Click to expand...
Got it covered.
 
Originally posted by: TheSituation
Date: April 01, 2011 at 06:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

MoJoJo said:
HW- I dont agree with Fedor being in the top 10 HW's, honorable mention at best and no way in hell should Cro-Cop even be considered an honorable mention.
LHW- why does it say see #4 next to Couture when #4 is Rampage? I never understand Helwani. Rich Franklin? Inconsistent at best at LHW.
MW - Belfort? 0-1 at MW in the UFC and he is #8? The rest im aiiiight with.
WW- Not bad. Penn, losing record at this weight and he is #7?
Lw- Penn is a WW and Helwani ranks him in the LW's? Not sure why Penn is still ranked so high when he doesnt fight there anymore.
FW- Its good.
BW- Id be perfecly happy if Faber was just taken off the list all together.
P4P - Fuji is the best female.
P4P - Male order will change after UFC 129. If GSP looks great then he will be back on top and if Aderson looks good in his next, he will be back on top. Whoever is the most recent to fight usually gets put back on top.
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If you can name ten HW"s who you think would beat Fedor two out of three times, with a
straight
face..... you belong in a
straight
jacket.
P4P... BJ loses twice to a smaller fighter and he stays on the list. Fedor loses twice to LARGER fighters and he drops from 1 to off the list.
Oh, wait a minute.. I get it now... "the rest im aiiiight with". aiiiight? Kinda new to this stuff, huh?
 
Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

TheSituation said:
If you can name ten HW"s who you think would beat Fedor two out of three times, with a
straight
face..... you belong in a
straight
jacket.
P4P... BJ loses twice to a smaller fighter and he stays on the list. Fedor loses twice to LARGER fighters and he drops from 1 to off the list.
Oh, wait a minute.. I get it now... "the rest im aiiiight with". aiiiight? Kinda new to this stuff, huh?
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1) I dont think there are 2-3 HW's that could beat the rest of the HW's two out of three times.
2) The only people I commented on i the P4P was GSP and Silva. So stop trying to the the " angry, cool guy with something to prove" because its just not becoming.
3) I have know idea what your last " cool guy " point is even supposed to mean. Its obvious that you have impressions of Fedors testicles on either side of your face and dont like that i called him out, but i dont ride his sack or agree with you about him so stop trying to force me to think other wise.
 
Originally posted by: smartigan
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

Jak said:
smartigan said:
Galgorian said:
Holy block of text. Hitting the edit button and splitting that jazz up would be greatly appreciated.
Click to expand...
It wasn't like that when I copied that
The edit icon isn't there?
Click to expand...
Got it covered.
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Cheers
 
Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

I can really tell you think the UFC is the best..you have Bisping ranked higher than Jacare,Vitor,And you do not even mention Tim Kennedy..they all would spank that butt..Jacare is the Champ in SF..You do not even list Cung Le..wow.
LHW you have Bader,Davis, ranked higher than Mousasi and Feijao..Give me a break..
WW,You will never convince me that Jake is better than Nick..I know they will never fight but Nick runs that crew for a reason..He is easy the #2 man.
I think that a man who holds 3 titles and is in the guiness book deserves to be atleast #2.But i will live with that until the SF tournament is over..Big Foot should be #3 and then JDS at #4 and Brock at #5..
I am scratching my head with Eddie being ranked so low and Pettis at #10..You have Gray ranked higher than Gilbert and do not even mention Henderson..How many top 5 people has Gray beat compared to Gilbert..
We are all entitled to our opinions but i think what i listed deserves better..As a whole you did good but i think you have blinders on a little bit.
 
Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

no bibiano fernandes =MASSIVE FAIL
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

magnuml said:
I can really tell you think the UFC is the best.
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This is ariels list.
 
Originally posted by: smartigan
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

magnuml said:
I can really tell you think the UFC is the best..you have Bisping ranked higher than Jacare,Vitor,And you do not even mention Tim Kennedy..they all would spank that butt..Jacare is the Champ in SF..You do not even list Cung Le..wow.
LHW you have Bader,Davis, ranked higher than Mousasi and Feijao..Give me a break..
WW,You will never convince me that Jake is better than Nick..I know they will never fight but Nick runs that crew for a reason..He is easy the #2 man.
I think that a man who holds 3 titles and is in the guiness book deserves to be atleast #2.But i will live with that until the SF tournament is over..Big Foot should be #3 and then JDS at #4 and Brock at #5..
I am scratching my head with Eddie being ranked so low and Pettis at #10..You have Gray ranked higher than Gilbert and do not even mention Henderson..How many top 5 people has Gray beat compared to Gilbert..
We are all entitled to our opinions but i think what i listed deserves better..As a whole you did good but i think you have blinders on a little bit.
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This isn't my list :lol:
 
Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

smartigan said:
magnuml said:
I can really tell you think the UFC is the best..you have Bisping ranked higher than Jacare,Vitor,And you do not even mention Tim Kennedy..they all would spank that butt..Jacare is the Champ in SF..You do not even list Cung Le..wow.
LHW you have Bader,Davis, ranked higher than Mousasi and Feijao..Give me a break..
WW,You will never convince me that Jake is better than Nick..I know they will never fight but Nick runs that crew for a reason..He is easy the #2 man.
I think that a man who holds 3 titles and is in the guiness book deserves to be atleast #2.But i will live with that until the SF tournament is over..Big Foot should be #3 and then JDS at #4 and Brock at #5..
I am scratching my head with Eddie being ranked so low and Pettis at #10..You have Gray ranked higher than Gilbert and do not even mention Henderson..How many top 5 people has Gray beat compared to Gilbert..
We are all entitled to our opinions but i think what i listed deserves better..As a whole you did good but i think you have blinders on a little bit.
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This isn't my list :lol:
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Sorry to you then..But the same stands for his rankings..Very one sided..Do you agree with all of it yourself,Just curious,You posted it.
 
Originally posted by: smartigan
Date: April 01, 2011 at 07:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ariel-helwanis-rankings.37347/

No,not all of it.
I agreed with most of what you had to say
Dana actually got mad at his last rankings I think because he Fedor number 1
He had no love for Nate Diaz either
Nate has been fighting in two weight divisions and doesn't get an honourable mention?
 
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