barack obama = communist? prove it

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 01:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

if you are a person who has said this or believes this, and has accused obama of being a communist, well, the burden of proof is on you.
let's hear your arguments.
or if you don't necessarily think he's a commie, but have heard OTHER people make that argument, let's hear THEIR argument.
i will be reporting any off topic posts or personal insults or trolling in an effort to keep this thread going so that a discussion may be had.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: filipino
Date: August 07, 2010 at 01:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

He's a Hoxhaist, smuggled into Hawaii from Albania. To call him a communist is ludicrous.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 01:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

filipino said:
He's a Hoxhaist, smuggled into Hawaii from Albania. To call him a communist is ludicrous.
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for the first time in a while someone here has stumped me.
i'll bite.
wtf is a hoxhaist?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: filipino
Date: August 07, 2010 at 01:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

Hoxha, Enver. Fascinating dude - Maoist, Marxist-Leninist. Whatever flavour of the day worked for Albania's neighbors and friends, Enver was it. Ruled from 1945 -'81. Tin pot in a tinfoil hat.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: August 07, 2010 at 03:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

grapplethis said:
if you are a person who has said this or believes this, and has accused obama of being a communist, well, the burden of proof is on you.
let's hear your arguments.
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Being required to provide proof takes all the fun out of internet rumours and slander.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: lyotomachine
Date: August 07, 2010 at 04:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

i love communism. WAR STALIN

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: August 07, 2010 at 05:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

Not commy, socialist.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 05:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

oldwardog said:
Not commy, socialist.
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prove it. show me policies he's enacted that are socialist policies.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: August 07, 2010 at 06:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

grapplethis said:
oldwardog said:
Not commy, socialist.
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prove it. show me policies he's enacted that are socialist policies.
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Honestly no he is not a socialist by many definitions and Lord knows that definition varies, really posted it for shits and giggles more than anything. But going by some defs of the term what he did with the bank bailout, the auto industry 'takeover" and the health care those are examples that COULD be used. But the first two some would call communist honestly as they are closer to the Communist idealism of the government ownership and distribution to the people, GM workers and bank share holders in this case. There are even some on the far left, like the US Socialist Part who say he is actually no less a capitalist than Bush was. His voting record before presidency definitely shows a slant to socialism with the redistribution of wealth he supported constantly, take more and more from the working class and giving to the "less fortunate". But the closest to a true socialist last election was really Palin not Obama, that crazy b---- scares the hell outta me.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 06:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

oldwardog said:
grapplethis said:
oldwardog said:
Not commy, socialist.
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prove it. show me policies he's enacted that are socialist policies.
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Honestly no he is not a socialist by many definitions and Lord knows that definition varies, really posted it for s**ts and giggles more than anything. But going by some defs of the term what he did with the bank bailout, the auto industry 'takeover" and the health care those are examples that COULD be used. But the first two some would call communist honestly as they are closer to the Communist idealism of the government ownership and distribution to the people, GM workers and bank share holders in this case. There are even some on the far left, like the US Socialist Part who say he is actually no less a capitalist than Bush was. His voting record before presidency definitely shows a slant to socialism with the redistribution of wealth he supported constantly, take more and more from the working class and giving to the "less fortunate". But the closest to a true socialist last election was really Palin not Obama, that crazy b---- scares the hell outta me.
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i'd like to point out that george bush took part in gov't bail outs as well.
the health care bill is not even CLOSE to the kind of health care you find in socialist systems. and the ownership of GM was done out of necessity (that is the feeling i got from it) rather than out of an ideal that indicates that the gov't should control the auto-industry.
obviously you were just putting up the arguments that others have made and don't necessarily believe them.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: August 07, 2010 at 06:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

The health care plan is one example the Socialist party uses actually that he is a capitalist as it was going to send millions of new customers to health insurance companies, even it it was through government dictate. Classic socialism involves government or collective ownership of the means and distribution of production. Truly socialized medicine doesn’t exist anywhere in the world to be blunt about it as no government controls the resources of the supply side enough to be truly socialist. Really with medicare, medicaid and other indigent and elderly programs, our medical system is about half socialized as it is, the plan put forth would merely move it a little closer. Examples of that would be that Medicare and Medicaid programs largly determine how and how much physicians and other clinicians will be paid. Another example is that state governments frequently control who can open a hospital or even invest in new equipment, while Federal tax policy greatly influences hospitals corporate form (profit vs. nonprofit). Best estimates are that the Obama plan would enroll 40 million people in a new government insurance program, which would be akin to doubling the Medicare rolls. Such a plan would increase federal healthcare spending by more than $140 billion per year, which some consider a vast underestimate. that increase would come out of the taxpayers pockets OR less likely through cuts in other programs. Obama’s proposed National Health Insurance Exchange would let government dictate who must purchase coverage, how much coverage they must purchase, and the premiums for every insurance policy in the nation. Not really socialist or communist in true form, but not capitalist either.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

to be honest, somewhere in between the two (pure communism and the free market) is the right way to handle medicine.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

Very much agreed. the problem is the politicians, on both sides of the floor stand to lose money doing it the right way. the issue is the costs of equipment and pharmaceuticals and not one member of the government be it local, state or federal wants to see their stock shares take a hit. Add in that malpractice is freakin ridiculous, even for physicians with spotless records, and that is controlled by lawyers which we have to F*Cking many of at all levels of government and they are not gonna hit the very contributors who got them elected by doing real tort and malpractice reforms.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

Barack is a Taliban supporter.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

cobra_punch said:
Barack is a Taliban supporter.
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source, retraction, or prepare to be reported for trolling.
those are your three options.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AgoniesCreep
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

Leys see, He scrapped the eastern european missle defense program on the aniversery of the soviet invasion of Romania (or it may have been Poland I forgot) & every single person he's appointed to a position of power is been a self proclaimed marxist or radical liberal which is nearly the same. As far as I'm concerned if it looks like a turd & smells like a turd, I don't feel the need for a taste test but, I'm suprised Home Land security hasn't looked deeper into it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

grapplethis said:
cobra_punch said:
Barack is a Taliban supporter.
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source, retraction, or prepare to be reported for trolling.
those are your three options.
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Ok I take that back. And I apologize for making fun of your boyfriend.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

AgoniesCreep said:
Leys see, He scrapped the eastern european missle defense program on the aniversery of the soviet invasion of Romania (or it may have been Poland I forgot) & every single person he's appointed to a position of power is been a self proclaimed marxist or radical liberal which is nearly the same. As far as I'm concerned if it looks like a turd & smells like a turd, I don't feel the need for a taste test but, I'm suprised Home Land security hasn't looked deeper into it.
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sooo...elena kagan's a self proclaimed marxist? how bout steve chu? how bout HILARY RODHAM CLINTON (appointed by obama)? what about ken salazar, the man who once caught flack for supporting bush's nominee (then very controversial) for sec. of the interior? timothy geithner, former PRESIDENT of the federal reserve bank of new york, is the secretary of treasury. you're telling me he's as self proclaimed marxist or a radical liberal?
he also notably retained bush's sec of defence. the only member of obama's cabinet that even came close to not being approved was geithner, who was approved by a vote of 60–34.
next closest to not being approved was AG Eric Holder, at 75-21. 11 of his cabinet appointees were approved unanimously, with clinton getting 2 NAY votes, Ron Kirk getting 5, and robert gates being retained from the bush administration (thus not needing confirmation).
so tell me, agoniescreep, what do you know that the senate doesn't, about all these appointees of the obama administration?
also,
perhaps scrapping the eastern european missle defense program has more to do with the fact that we're no longer living in the cold war than obama being a marxist.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

cobra_punch said:
grapplethis said:
cobra_punch said:
Barack is a Taliban supporter.
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source, retraction, or prepare to be reported for trolling.
those are your three options.
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Ok I take that back. And I apologize for making fun of your boyfriend.
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here's what people dont' get.
i'm not a supporter of barack obama. i didn't vote for him, i don't like what he's done since becoming president, and i'm not among those fooled by his marketing savvy.
but he simply isn't a communist, a marxist, or a socialist. clearing that issue up will help people view his presidency with more objectivity, and less idiocy.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Butcher101
Date: August 07, 2010 at 07:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/barack-obama-communist-prove-it.28851/

it doesn't matter what Obama does it'll be regarded by right wing supporters as communist. I am no democrat but i understand their values concerning the establishment of programs and government institutions to help take care of americans. I am far from republican also, i have a friend who is pretty crazy right wing and yet he trashes democrats, all the while he has taken advantage of medicaid/unemployment and will eventually be granted social security all of which were enacted by democrats, and they only worry about the guns, HA! there have been way more years under democrat rule that republican and the right to bear arms hasn't been done away with yet. but more to the original point, conservatives hate him for various reasons and the ones who didn't vote for him will continue to bash him regardless of wether or not he deserves the criticism.
hell he could probably be caught helping and old woman across the street and Bill O'Reilly would find some way to construe it negatively.