Benson Henderson vs. Patricio Pitbull added Spike TV's MMA-boxing doubleheader

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Originally posted by: imhungry4444
Date: July 16, 2016 at 11:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Benson Henderson and Robert Guerrero will headline Spike TV's MMA-boxing doubleheader at the Honda Center
By Lance Pugmire
Boxing and mixed martial arts operate like distant relatives — linked by blood, but separate.
Consider a planned doubleheader Aug. 26-27 at Honda Center a family reunion of sorts.
In an attempt to expand hybrid interest in the combat sports’ audiences, Bellator MMA and Premier Boxing Champions will stage back-to-back shows televised by their broadcast partner, Spike TV.
The Aug. 26 Bellator card will be headlined by a lightweight fight between former UFC champion Benson Henderson and former Bellator featherweight champion Patricio “Pitbull” Freire, with the winner poised for a title shot.
The Aug. 27 boxing main event will be headlined by former two-division champion Robert Guerrero (33-4-1, 18 knockouts) against David Peralta (25-2-1, 14 KOs) in a welterweight bout.
“We believe combat sports fans love a great fight,” said Jon Slusser, Spike TV’s senior vice president of sports and specials. “These are two different types of fights, but if we can introduce more fans to each sport, that does nothing but great things for everyone.”
Tickets go on sale Thursday, with a two-night package discounted to breed the mutual interest.
Bellator’s Henderson, after being upset in his April debut against welterweight champion Andrey Koreshkov, returns to the division where he twice defeated Frankie Edgar. He’s also beaten former UFC title challengers Nate Diaz and Donald “Cowboy” Cerrone.
In Freire, Henderson meets a foe seeking to parlay the victory to a title shot against lightweight champion Michael Chandler, who claimed the belt by knocking out Freire’s brother, Patricky, on June 24.
Guerrero, 33, a former featherweight and super-featherweight world champion, is returning from an entertaining February loss to unbeaten welterweight champion Danny Garcia at Staples Center.
“A victory against Peralta will bring another opportunity for me to be in another mega-fight,” Guerrero said in a statement to the Los Angeles Times. “I want to work my way back toward a world-title shot, so you better believe I’m going to bring it. … This fight will be all-action.”
Guerrero has beaten former welterweight champion Andre Berto and gritty Yoshihiro Kamegai and has shown his willingness to accept any boxing challenge.
He lost a lopsided unanimous decision to unbeaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. in May 2013 to open Mayweather’s six-fight deal on Showtime, and he dropped a unanimous decision to current unbeaten World Boxing Assn. welterweight champion Keith Thurman in the PBC debut in March 2015.
Argentina’s Peralta is making his U.S. debut.
The triple-header boxing card will include heavy-hitting super-middleweight Alfredo Angulo, who fought Canelo Alvarez in 2014, versus Freddy Hernandez (33-8).
Unbeaten middleweight Terrell Gausha (18-0), a 2012 U.S. Olympian from Cleveland, will meet New York’s Steve Martinez (16-2, 13 KOs).
Slusser said, “We think it’s going to be a big success, and, with that success, we’d like to try to do this again.”
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: imhungry4444
Date: July 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Benson is going to bulldoze Pitbull.
Patricio was small for 145, Benson is big for 155.
This is such a mismatch.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf hunter
Date: July 16, 2016 at 01:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Gotta get Benny back in the mix somehow

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf hunter
Date: July 16, 2016 at 01:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Benson doesn't do much bulldozing, triple air jabs
Calf jabs Not such

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf hunter
Date: July 16, 2016 at 01:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Spinning back calf kick
Move hair from eye sight

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: July 16, 2016 at 02:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Recouping on an investment. Makes sense.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: July 16, 2016 at 02:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Jorge P said:
Recouping on an investment. Makes sense.
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Not sure if you're talking about paying Bendo, or making money off Bellator. I would think before the sale, Bellator was just making money.. Not what some would expect from a org, but enough.... Now... I think they are losing their ***. The two shows in the PHX area this year didn't sell for s---, even with 90$ ringside. For a good part of their roster, they are over paying.. And I don't see sponsors forking out big money for a show that averages 400-500k views.
Just a rant... No clue, what you were referring too.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: July 16, 2016 at 02:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Interesting to see Patricio move up in weight. He is a far more interesting matchup than his brother would have been for Bendo.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Mike Porch MMA
Date: July 16, 2016 at 02:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Fun fight

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: July 16, 2016 at 03:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Now that is a perfect match they made.
Bellator has had a few surprises lately. Chandler as champ, and Bendo vs Pitbull. the Punk! Liking their LW division!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brazuca
Date: July 16, 2016 at 04:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

One of the best "name" opponents that Bellator has that is favorable for Henderson.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BRF
Date: July 16, 2016 at 04:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

imhungry4444 said:
Benson is going to bulldoze Pitbull.
Patricio was small for 145, Benson is big for 155.
This is such a mismatch.
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it is, but it is also a litmus test for bendo to see if he still has it

 

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Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: July 16, 2016 at 05:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Sapper said:
Not sure if you're talking about paying Bendo, or making money off Bellator. I would think before the sale, Bellator was just making money.. Not what some would expect from a org, but enough.... Now... I think they are losing their ***. The two shows in the PHX area this year didn't sell for s---, even with 90$ ringside. For a good part of their roster, they are over paying.. And I don't see sponsors forking out big money for a show that averages 400-500k views.
Just a rant... No clue, what you were referring too.
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Paying Bendo. They didn't fork over that much money to see him lose.
I'm curious as to how much Bellator makes in ad sales. The demographic they draw even for a slow show is pretty coveted. The network owns the production and what they pay for talent per show isn't all that much compared to what other TV shows pay in talent. Again, it is definitely apples to oranges to compare Bellator to a regular TV show. But at the end of the day, that is what it is. A TV show on Spike. A lot of the time they are paying less than $600k for the all talent when there isn't a huge name on the show. And the production recoups a great deal of the cost to put on the show in ticket sales. Viacom owns Spike and Bellator so they don't really have to pay a premium to an outside production company to produce the show.
From the outside, it seems like a pretty profitable endeavor even with some shitty shows. They aren't splitting PPV revenues, they don't pay PPV points, and they can charge maximum advertising rates because they are drawing 18-39 year old males with a s--- ton of expendable income.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: July 16, 2016 at 07:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Jorge P said:
Paying Bendo. They didn't fork over that much money to see him lose.
I'm curious as to how much Bellator makes in ad sales. The demographic they draw even for a slow show is pretty coveted. The network owns the production and what they pay for talent per show isn't all that much compared to what other TV shows pay in talent. Again, it is definitely apples to oranges to compare Bellator to a regular TV show. But at the end of the day, that is what it is. A TV show on Spike. A lot of the time they are paying less than $600k for the all talent when there isn't a huge name on the show. And the production recoups a great deal of the cost to put on the show in ticket sales. Viacom owns Spike and Bellator so they don't really have to pay a premium to an outside production company to produce the show.
From the outside, it seems like a pretty profitable endeavor even with some shitty shows. They aren't splitting PPV revenues, they don't pay PPV points, and they can charge maximum advertising rates because they are drawing 18-39 year old males with a s--- ton of expendable income.
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For TV, sports is really the last bit of advertising they can still bank on.
Everyone uses streaming services and events are one of the last legs regular networks still have because it's one of the few things people watch live.
As Netflix, Hulu, prime,etc continue to grow tv channels will value sporting events much more. Increasing the value of all mma in reality.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: July 16, 2016 at 07:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Jorge P said:
Paying Bendo. They didn't fork over that much money to see him lose.
I'm curious as to how much Bellator makes in ad sales. The demographic they draw even for a slow show is pretty coveted. The network owns the production and what they pay for talent per show isn't all that much compared to what other TV shows pay in talent. Again, it is definitely apples to oranges to compare Bellator to a regular TV show. But at the end of the day, that is what it is. A TV show on Spike. A lot of the time they are paying less than $600k for the all talent when there isn't a huge name on the show. And the production recoups a great deal of the cost to put on the show in ticket sales. Viacom owns Spike and Bellator so they don't really have to pay a premium to an outside production company to produce the show.
From the outside, it seems like a pretty profitable endeavor even with some shitty shows. They aren't splitting PPV revenues, they don't pay PPV points, and they can charge maximum advertising rates because they are drawing 18-39 year old males with a s--- ton of expendable income.
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Not sure on other shows for spike, but the ratings just have to be s--- I guess because it's spike, maybe 400-500k is good?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: kirza82
Date: July 16, 2016 at 07:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

kickboxing said:
Benson doesn't do much bulldozing, triple air jabs
Calf jabs Not such
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LMFAO truth

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer
Date: July 16, 2016 at 09:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Patricio? Weird.
Why not Marcin Held or Paul Sass (where the hell is Paul Sass anyway?)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Kharg31
Date: July 17, 2016 at 12:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Bendo f---ing sucks and I hope he loses and goes into obscurity
(although I felt bad when San Jose booed him as he was proposing

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: July 18, 2016 at 08:29 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

CoffeeAndBeer said:
Patricio? Weird.
Why not Marcin Held or Paul Sass (where the hell is Paul Sass anyway?)
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Retired?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer
Date: September 04, 2016 at 05:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/benson-henderson-vs-patricio-pitbull-added-spike-tvs-mma-boxing-doubleheader.69445/

Good stuff....
Boxing and MMA have their differences, but they push each other to be better
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Los Angeles Times - Aug 15, 2016
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Theirs can be a begrudging relationship — a familial bond — but the rival sports also have an interest in accentuating the divide. What boxing and mixed martial arts cannot deny, however, is that each has pushed the other to improve...​
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Headlining the Saturday boxing card is Robert Guerrero... who is one of the best examples of how the MMA effect has altered the way fight fans view a loss. Although Guerrero has lost three times since 2013... his ability to produce an action fight keeps him relevant in a way it wouldn’t have 20 years ago.​
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UFC middleweight champion Michael Bisping, for instance, has seven losses, yet in his first title defense Oct. 8, he’ll meet Temecula’s Dan Henderson, who has 14 losses. In their first bout at UFC 100 in 2009, Henderson delivered a crushing knockout punch to Bisping’s jaw. Now their rematch is a pay-per-view main event.​
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“In MMA, a loss or two or three really doesn’t mean anything, but in boxing, a loss had been a death sentence,” said veteran boxing matchmaker Tom Brown [TGB Promotions, promoting Saturday’s PBC card].​
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“We’ve always looked for guys and girls who have striking ability… there’s a reason my past company was called Strikeforce,” Bellator MMA President Scott Coker said. “When you look at an MMA fighter’s skill set, boxing has to be a big piece of it... knowing that to be a complete fighter you have to tend to your striking skills.”​
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The most marketable MMA fighters also cultivate their personalities, which former UFC Chairman Lorenzo Fertitta acknowledged at the time of Muhammad Ali’s death is a direct descendant of “The Greatest.” “The thing he obviously contributed in a massive way was the showmanship and the entertainment that goes along with combat sports,” Fertitta said. “He’s definitely, clearly created the road map for our promotion.”​
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