Best striker in MMA= Melvin Manhoeff
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Roxinius said:
Marktheshark said:
Da truth is english ur second language??
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no hes just a troll they feel free to speak however they want just remember he is an idiot
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he types like he has little grasp of english and i would feel bad insulting that if its not his first language cuz then it wouldn;'t be his fault but if he just chooses to type that bad then its plain ignorance
Marktheshark said:
he types like he has little grasp of english and i would feel bad insulting that if its not his first language cuz then it wouldn;'t be his fault but if he just chooses to type that bad then its plain ignorance
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Is English your second language or are you just ignorant?
Roxinius said:
Marktheshark said:
Da truth is english ur second language??
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no hes just a troll they feel free to speak however they want just remember he is an idiot
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well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?
DaTruth25 said:
Roxinius said:
Marktheshark said:
Da truth is english ur second language??
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no hes just a troll they feel free to speak however they want just remember he is an idiot
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well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?
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you.
Marktheshark said:
Roxinius said:
Marktheshark said:
Da truth is english ur second language??
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no hes just a troll they feel free to speak however they want just remember he is an idiot
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he types like he has little grasp of english and i would feel bad insulting that if its not his first language cuz then it wouldn;'t be his fault but if he just chooses to type that bad then its plain ignorance
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No, actually I do have a big grasp of English. I was just unaware that this was a english lesson and not a forum to discuss mma.
I'm just really not trying to impress any guys around here with my grammer. sorry, I'm taken.
Oh and what does wouldn;'t mean???? is ;' new in the english vocabulary?
well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?[/quote]
you.[/quote]
thanks for proving me right again. "you" is all you got? common.
Clearly you are not knowledgable for me to debate mma with. I will not take anything you say seriously. "You" does not win you any mma debates.
DaTruth25 said:
well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?
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you.[/quote]thanks for proving me right again. "you" is all you got? common.[/quote]
its all i needed btw trying to make a case for someone being the best striker in mma coming off a loss in which he got knocked out pretty weak arguement imo and you saying he has the best kicks is again weak Antoni Hardonk and Amir have better kicks
Roxinius said:
DaTruth25 said:
well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?
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you.
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its all i needed btw trying to make a case for someone being the best striker in mma coming off a loss in which he got knocked out pretty weak arguement imo and you saying he has the best kicks is again weak Antoni Hardonk and Amir have better kicks
thanks for proving me right again. "you" is all you got? common.[/quote][/quote]
9/10 times melvin owns lawler... me and you both know it. Everyone on gods green earths knows if that fight continued Lawler wouldnt have lasted another round. Maybe not even another minute. That arguments fails big time. Lawler is also a good striker as well, he is a ko machine.
Amirs kicks are better than Melvins? Again, you just proved your knowledge right there.
Have you ever seen anyone's legs fly up like that like Lawlers did? Amir.. best kicks in mma? Not even close. At least say something reasonable like Vera
DaTruth25 said:
Roxinius said:
DaTruth25 said:
well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?
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you.
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its all i needed btw trying to make a case for someone being the best striker in mma coming off a loss in which he got knocked out pretty weak arguement imo and you saying he has the best kicks is again weak Antoni Hardonk and Amir have better kicks
thanks for proving me right again. "you" is all you got? common.
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9/10 times melvin owns lawler... me and you both know it. Everyone on gods green earths knows if that fight continued Lawler wouldnt have lasted another round. Maybe not even another minute. That arguments fails big time. Lawler is also a good striker as well, he is a ko machine.
Amirs kicks are better than Melvins? Again, you just proved your knowledge right there.
Have you ever seen anyone's legs fly up like that like Lawlers did? Amir.. best kicks in mma? Not even close. At least say something reasonable like Vera[/quote]
yea he'll own him every time he drops his hands begging to get hit face it Anderson is the best striker in MMA by far
DaTruth25 said:
well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?
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you.[/quote]
thanks for proving me right again. "you" is all you got? common.[/quote]
well i mean you did ask a simple question with either "me" or "you" as the options.... just sayin.... i see this as a probable reason you seem to irk a lot of people on these boards, you posit a simple either/or question, with a smidge of evidence (tko% was stressed and quality of opponent seemed tacked on as an afterthought) and then when weak evidence is cited as a reason the simple argument is fundamentally illogical, all of a sudden there's "more to it", but you never really quantify exactly what this "more" is. This debate style comes across as rather disingenuous imo.
not saying you lack solid evidence, but that you don't lay it out very well in your original arguments and fill in the blanks later once you've been called out on it, and on top of it you then belittle the people who called you out on it, which comes across as rather trollish again imo, which is frustrating to me because i dont always disagree with you once all the evidence has been dragged out of you. I just wish you would allow for opinions other then your own esp. since the subject is HIGHLY subjective.
just an observation
great striking means elite offence and elite defence.
manhoef has been KO'd 8 times combined in K-1 fights and mma.
anderson silva has never been KO'd. if there's an advantage in offence for manhoef (which i'm not so sure there is), then anderson's defensive advantage would be ten fold.
grapplethis said:
great striking means elite offence and elite defence.
manhoef has been KO'd 8 times combined in K-1 fights.
anderson silva has never been KO'd. if there's an advantage in offence for manhoef (which i'm not so sure there is), then anderson's defensive advantage would be ten fold.
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+1
DaTruth25 said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Manhoef lost to Robbie Lawler in a striking competition, and he couldn't stand up for 5 minutes.
Also, Mark Hunt isn't a good striker, he just has a chin made of granite. Losing a decision to Remy doesn't make you a good striker either.
I would say Manhoef is an elite striker, but by no means the best.
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Lol. if you couldnt see that MM was completely owning him and just got caught, you are a fool. That has nothing to do with it.
Mark hunt is 10X the striker anyone AS has beat, so you must not think much of AS opponents.
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you again... will you EVER go away with this bulls---? first you were bein a Nick Diaz nuthugggger now ur bein a MM nuthuggger
barabas said:
DaTruth25 said:
well, i feel the opposite and again.
Nobody has given me any legitimate reasons to prove me wrong.
I sense you are the troll, not I.
This forum is for discussing mma which I though was between intelligent and educated fans.
Anyone who believes my statements are are laughable, really don't know much about mma. Its not a attack, its what I truley believe. Ive said it before and I will say it again, the statements I have made are arguable. However guys like you caling me a troll and saying these statements are ridiculious sadly need to educate themselves more on mma.
Again. Not only are my statements fair, I have provided proof and evidence to back things up as well, and have had nothing in return,
I ask. who is the troll. me or you?
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you.
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thanks for proving me right again. "you" is all you got? common.[/quote]
well i mean you did ask a simple question with either "me" or "you" as the options.... just sayin.... i see this as a probable reason you seem to irk a lot of people on these boards, you posit a simple either/or question, with a smidge of evidence (tko% was stressed and quality of opponent seemed tacked on as an afterthought) and then when weak evidence is cited as a reason the simple argument is fundamentally illogical, all of a sudden there's "more to it", but you never really quantify exactly what this "more" is. This debate style comes across as rather disingenuous imo.
not saying you lack solid evidence, but that you don't lay it out very well in your original arguments and fill in the blanks later once you've been called out on it, and on top of it you then belittle the people who called you out on it, which comes across as rather trollish again imo, which is frustrating to me because i dont always disagree with you once all the evidence has been dragged out of you. I just wish you would allow for opinions other then your own esp. since the subject is HIGHLY subjective.
just an observation[/quote]
okay, well that is fair enough, I dont mean to belittle anyone. Its just im sure you can see how frustrating it is sometimes when a lot of people seem to be making it look like my statements are crazy and making it seem like I dont have any good points.
I agree they are subjective and its something I have admitted all the way through. I really havn't got much in return is all im sayin.
And okay, I will try not to be such a d--- sometimes I guess
dock59 said:
DaTruth25 said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Manhoef lost to Robbie Lawler in a striking competition, and he couldn't stand up for 5 minutes.
Also, Mark Hunt isn't a good striker, he just has a chin made of granite. Losing a decision to Remy doesn't make you a good striker either.
I would say Manhoef is an elite striker, but by no means the best.
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Lol. if you couldnt see that MM was completely owning him and just got caught, you are a fool. That has nothing to do with it.
Mark hunt is 10X the striker anyone AS has beat, so you must not think much of AS opponents.
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you again... will you EVER go away with this bulls**t? first you were bein a Nick Diaz nuthugggger now ur bein a MM nuthuggger
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:?
Here's my deal quite simply with the topic at hand:
Yes, when looking at great strikers the tko/ko ratio is something to be looked at: I use Ando because most have stated he is the best striker.
AS- 15(t)ko's 60% 15/25 Melvin- 23(t)ko's 95% 23/24
We look at this and must assume seeing how big the gap is, that for anyone arguing Ando is the better striker, he must have fought better strikers right?????? :? the answer is no.
We must than assume that when arguing on Ando's behalf that if his % is that much lower than Melvins there must be something jurastic he is doing to prove he is the better striker. I he fighting and putting away better strikers? No, he is not. Is he fighting bigger guys and putting them out? No he is not. Is he fighting K1 champions and having even fights with them? No he is not.
Melvin has been there and done that. He has fought and proved he belongs in the upper teir on strikers in the world. Again, people seem to think fedor is god for fighting bigger guys, Melvin is doing it in a 100% striking sport with guys that have 30+ pounds on him.
Yes, hes been ko'd but that is hardy gonna win the agrument that he is not a better striker than Anderson if that is all you got. He's fighting better strikers and biggers guys.
grapplethis said:
great striking means elite offence and elite defence.
manhoef has been KO'd 8 times combined in K-1 fights and mma.
anderson silva has never been KO'd. if there's an advantage in offence for manhoef (which i'm not so sure there is), then anderson's defensive advantage would be ten fold.
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This argument was the only thing to stop the debate on this thread, but obviously mr da(non)truth ignored it..
For the rest of the ppl here not named datruth, here is what i have to say to you...
Do not feed the troll