Better TUF9 Coach?
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It was hard to tell with the editing, neither real seemed to be all that forceful or really seem to have their team listening to them. Bisping maybe had a bit more unity on his team but didn't really seem to translate into a good coach, and nobody really seemed to listen to Hendo when it was fight time and those guys kept losing. I did notice that Lester started listening to Hendo in his last fight, he tried the single leg take down but just seemed to exhausted by that point.
Personally i would like to see a season similar to Ortiz/Shammy when the whole team really got behind Ortiz and listened and did everything that was expected.
but i'll vote for Hendo because i like him better.
Im more of a fan of Henderson, and I dont think anyone can really say who is the better coach.
If forced to pick, I will say Bisbing cause Henderson was leaning more heavily towards wrestling, and I only noticed 1 top flight coach with him, Cyril Diabete, but the americans did not show much improvement as the season went on.
Demarcus did, but he was already a very well rounded fighter.
Wheras Bisbping is very well rounded and Mario and the other guy are very high level coaches, and the British fought in a very well rounded way, even doing good in the wrestling. Maybe they where already that way, but at the very least, Bisbing did not hurt them.
I think Hendo did a better job of coaching because he had less to work with,yet still pulled together a pretty competitive team.Bisping missing a fight pretty much disqualified him as even having a chance of being considered a good coach.Plus,like Hendo said,"he's a douchebag".Look at how much disarray team USA was in from the get-go,one fighter had HERPES (ther's a valtrex punchline in there somewhere,maybe they'll sponsor the finale?), another couldn't make weight,then we had Junie Browning Jr.Great season though,I've had a hectic school/work schedule this season but I'm watching the marathon right now on Spike, great to get caught up
Jak said:
It was hard to tell with the editing, neither real seemed to be all that forceful or really seem to have their team listening to them. Bisping maybe had a bit more unity on his team but didn't really seem to translate into a good coach, and nobody really seemed to listen to Hendo when it was fight time and those guys kept losing. I did notice that Lester started listening to Hendo in his last fight, he tried the single leg take down but just seemed to exhausted by that point.
Personally i would like to see a season similar to Ortiz/Shammy when the whole team really got behind Ortiz and listened and did everything that was expected.
but i'll vote for Hendo because i like him better.
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Yeah that's why I made this pole because it was hard to tell. I noticed that none of the guys listened to Henderson in their corner and he had to constantly be repeating himself.
Bisping had a little of an easier job with his team being basically blood brothers from the beginning. But I thought he did a decent job too.
I gave the vote to Henderson based on his how he handled himself and kept a team of train wrecks together, the fact he didn't miss any of his guy's fights, and well because he's awesome.
NarlyPersianDude said:
and I dont think anyone can really say who is the better coach
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I thought the americans had a pretty sh*t team, they had a guy was basically ko'd in the prelims but then had a come from behind submission in round 2. i would have rather the other guy got into the house. they had the guy who didn't want to fight and they had Dent(?), (that fought and lost to Pearson in the semis), who basically wasn't coachable.
Whereas Bisping had a team of hungry fighters, but really didn't seem to do much to push them beyond the level they already were at.
NarlyPersianDude said:
Wheras Bisbping is very well rounded and Mario and the other guy are very high level coaches, and the British fought in a very well rounded way, even doing good in the wrestling. Maybe they where already that way, but at the very least, Bisbing did not hurt them.
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Is the poll for who brought better coaches or who was a better coach? Bisping doesn't have nearly the level of experience to share with his fighters, and I think Hendo probably improved the wrestling of most of them by a meaningful degree. Bisping may have help them improve their shouting, whining, and water throwing technique, but I don't think they improved at all as fighters due to Bisping, I think they came in with a lot of talent.
Another thing, which is why I voted Bisbing, conditioning does not have anything to do with talent.
The american's where horribly conditioned, and any fight that went on they looked shittier and shittier. While the Brits looked to have much better conditioning.
Any 2 or 3 round fight, the americans where totally spent.
atikiN said:
Results matter and in the end there are 3 Brits and 1 American. My vote is for The Count.
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That's hardly fair, does that mean whoever gets Kimbo in season 10 is going to be the better coach?
Because, ya know, Kimbo is, like,
TOTALLY
gonna dominate. Roxorz Rawr!!
As a team, I think the UK guys were a LOT better prepared for this. No one had weight issues, or other medical reasonings keeping them from fighting, and were HUNGRY for these wins. It really showed that ALL of these guys WANT to be UFC fighters.
For team USA... it was a disaster from the start. First with a fighter not making weight, another with medical conditions, and almost having to deal with Robbie Browning, it didn't look too good. I think for the most part, the American's did pull themselves together with the help of Hendo, minus Dent and Price (who is just a punk IMO at this point).
As for the better coach, yea Bisping has more finalists, but I think with everything Hendo had to deal with, he was able to pull together a REALLY solid team. That, and missing a fight, spraying water in someones face (wtf, really? How old are you again Mike?), and the never ending pissing and complaining, not willing to cooperate with Hendo.... that to me really discredits Bisping from being a good coach.
Roclawzi said:
atikiN said:
Results matter and in the end there are 3 Brits and 1 American. My vote is for The Count.
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That's hardly fair, does that mean whoever gets Kimbo in season 10 is going to be the better coach?
Because, ya know, Kimbo is, like,
TOTALLY
gonna dominate. Roxorz Rawr!!
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if he becomes a better fighter for it it then yes
History remembers winners. Phil Jackson is the best coach ever to grace the floor of the NBA because he has 10 rings. The fact that he did it with Jordan and Kobe doesn't matter, he got 10 rings and no one can take that from him. LBJ may have won the regular season MVP but Kobe just got his 4th ring. It's all about the results and Bisping got 3 guys in the finals to Hendo's 1.
Bisping is a better coach for the level of compitition at TUF 9.
Henderson is a better coach when he coaches people near his level.
3 of Bispings people made it inot the finale and only 1 of Hendo's. On the show Bisping was a better coach (besdies the time he missed one of the fighters fights). He knows how to train them both mentally and psychicaly. Henderson on the other hand is only training them mentally. rom what i saw on this season. I mean thats the way Henderson is layed back. I think Bisping took TUF 9 much more serious then Hendo. Hendo is the better fighter though and when it comes to coaching top level fighters he is the best. No top level fighter is mentally weak and lacks skill.
Its quiye simple TUF 9 Bisping was the better coach hands down.
EdoKaz818 said:
Bisping is a better coach for the level of compitition at TUF 9.
Henderson is a better coach when he coaches people near his level.
3 of Bispings people made it inot the finale and only 1 of Hendo's. On the show Bisping was a better coach (besdies the time he missed one of the fighters fights). He knows how to train them both mentally and psychicaly. Henderson on the other hand is only training them mentally. rom what i saw on this season. I mean thats the way Henderson is layed back. I think Bisping took TUF 9 much more serious then Hendo. Hendo is the better fighter though and when it comes to coaching top level fighters he is the best. No top level fighter is mentally weak and lacks skill.
Its quiye simple TUF 9 Bisping was the better coach hands down.
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At the very least, his fighters will know how to whine and b---- about petty moments, like when Hendo didn't understand the revised coach's challenge rules, or a guy couldn't get his busted teeth out of the mouth guard. He's is constantly looking for something to complain about. I wasn't a huge Bisping fan before the show, but I did like him. Now I can't wait for Hendo to break him up.
Roclawzi said:
EdoKaz818 said:
Bisping is a better coach for the level of compitition at TUF 9.
Henderson is a better coach when he coaches people near his level.
3 of Bispings people made it inot the finale and only 1 of Hendo's. On the show Bisping was a better coach (besdies the time he missed one of the fighters fights). He knows how to train them both mentally and psychicaly. Henderson on the other hand is only training them mentally. rom what i saw on this season. I mean thats the way Henderson is layed back. I think Bisping took TUF 9 much more serious then Hendo. Hendo is the better fighter though and when it comes to coaching top level fighters he is the best. No top level fighter is mentally weak and lacks skill.
Its quiye simple TUF 9 Bisping was the better coach hands down.
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At the very least, his fighters will know how to whine and b---- about petty moments, like when Hendo didn't understand the revised coach's challenge rules, or a guy couldn't get his busted teeth out of the mouth guard. He's is constantly looking for something to complain about. I wasn't a huge Bisping fan before the show, but I did like him. Now I can't wait for Hendo to break him up.
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thatd doesnt have much to do with coaching really but I think Bisping would of suited the US team much better and hendo would suite the UK team better. The UK team was similar to Hendo and the US team was similar to Bisping
I picked Hendo.
It's really hard to tell who is the legitimate better coach though. The show didn't really show much of their coaching skills. Hendo was way less of a d-bag though, so that's why I choose him. Although, Bisping's douchey antics probably pumped his team up, so that might have motivated them more.
I think Dans sitting down on the mats against the wall when he talks/councils his team was a better tactic than being a d-bag though. Plus, Dan's way cooler.