Bisping vs Maia, who you got?

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Originally posted by: mez
Date: October 18, 2010 at 03:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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So Bisping getting Maia if he gets past Grove on Dec. 4th is one theory that's being thrown around, most notably by Jake Rossen here: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/UFC-120-Postmortem-Bisping-Accelerates-Hardy-Parked-27569.
What are your thoughts on the bout? I personally think it will be a tough one for Maia. Bisping is very good at defending takedowns, and very good at dictating range. Since Maia's best hope of getting him to the ground is from the clinch I can see Bisping sitting pretty comfortably behind his jab and winning a convincing decision.
 
Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: October 18, 2010 at 03:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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supermez said:
So Bisping getting Maia if he gets past Grove on Dec. 4th is one theory that's being thrown around, most notably by Jake Rossen here: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/UFC-120-Postmortem-Bisping-Accelerates-Hardy-Parked-27569.
What are your thoughts on the bout? I personally think it will be a tough one for Maia. Bisping is very good at defending takedowns, and very good at dictating range. Since Maia's best hope of getting him to the ground is from the clinch I can see Bisping sitting pretty comfortably behind his jab and winning a convincing decision.
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well, I see you're from the UK my friend, I think you're thinking more with your heart than with your brains... I think Bispings could ride a decision, running away from Maia for 3 rounds, but convincing decision? I dont think Bisping can get a convincing decision over any top 10 MW, let alone maia.
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: October 18, 2010 at 03:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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bjj_rage said:
supermez said:
So Bisping getting Maia if he gets past Grove on Dec. 4th is one theory that's being thrown around, most notably by Jake Rossen here: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/UFC-120-Postmortem-Bisping-Accelerates-Hardy-Parked-27569.
What are your thoughts on the bout? I personally think it will be a tough one for Maia. Bisping is very good at defending takedowns, and very good at dictating range. Since Maia's best hope of getting him to the ground is from the clinch I can see Bisping sitting pretty comfortably behind his jab and winning a convincing decision.
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well, I see you're from the UK my friend, I think you're thinking more with your heart than with your brains... I think Bispings could ride a decision, running away from Maia for 3 rounds, but convincing decision? I dont think Bisping can get a convincing decision over any top 10 MW, let alone maia.
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I agree. Bisping would employ the same tactic he does in every fight. Dance around for 3 rounds out striking his opponents. Except it didn't work against the aggressive Wanderlei. I would fully expect it to work against Maia though, much like Anderson Silva's game plan worked. Stay away from the ground, and out box him. Pretty simple game plan and it will work.
 
Originally posted by: mez
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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I think Maia is the one he matches up with best out of the top 10. I'm not deluded, I know that Bisping is flawed, but I don't think his flaws play particularly to Maia's strengths. I think he has the ability to soundly outbox Maia, and the footwork if he fights at his best to avoid getting put on his back very often. I don't think it's a case of "if Maia gets him down then it's over" either. Obviously on the ground Maia possesses a huge advantage, but Bisping has never been submitted and is very good at using the cage to get back to his feet.
Bisping's problems come when he's facing either powerful wrestlers of powerful punchers. He is good at getting to his feet but could be held down by, say, a Chael Sonnen type wrestler, which Maia isn't. On the feet he had trouble with Wand because he got nervous and backed straight up instead of circling, and with Henderson because he circled the wrong way. He made similar mistakes against Akiyama, so that flaw hasn't disappeared from his game, but if Akiyama wasn't able to lay him out with a single punch then Maia certainly isn't going to be able to exploit that either.
Does anyone care to breakdown how they see the fight going if they have Maia to win?
 
Originally posted by: CF3
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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Bisping can out-run the best of them and Maia has a horrible takedown game. This fight could be boring as hell. Maia went 5 rounds with Silva and couldn't get anything going on the ground. I'd rather see Bisping against somebody more aggressive like Marquart or even somebody like Jorge Rivera.
 
Originally posted by: mez
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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CF3 said:
Bisping can out-run the best of them and Maia has a horrible takedown game. This fight could be boring as hell. Maia went 5 rounds with Silva and couldn't get anything going on the ground. I'd rather see Bisping against somebody more aggressive like Marquart or even somebody like Jorge Rivera.
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To be fair I remember hearing an interview with someone who trains with Maia, can't remember who it was, but they were basically saying that Maia's judo is great and that he consistently puts guys on their asses from the clinch. Thing is he obviously couldn't show that against Anderson because he would have been eviscerated by a barrage of knees. Bisping is alright from the clinch but more importantly he is good at avoiding it when it doesn't suit him. He'd just backpedal and stay out of range.
 
Originally posted by: jsinsantino
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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bisping would out strike him with no problem and keep the fight standing and pick up a decision win
 
Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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CF3 said:
Bisping can out-run the best of them and Maia has a horrible takedown game. This fight could be boring as hell. Maia went 5 rounds with Silva and couldn't get anything going on the ground. I'd rather see Bisping against somebody more aggressive like Marquart or even somebody like Jorge Rivera.
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this is not true... maia does not have horrible tds, actually, he has pretty good ones, problem with AS was that it was too obvius, he did not try to set up anything, he just went all crazy for them, and AS is pretty good at backing away from those, hes fast on this feet. Mario Mirando is a bjj black belt and a pretty good wrestler himself, he got murdered by maia on the ground.
 
Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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supermez said:
CF3 said:
Bisping can out-run the best of them and Maia has a horrible takedown game. This fight could be boring as hell. Maia went 5 rounds with Silva and couldn't get anything going on the ground. I'd rather see Bisping against somebody more aggressive like Marquart or even somebody like Jorge Rivera.
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To be fair I remember hearing an interview with someone who trains with Maia, can't remember who it was, but they were basically saying that Maia's judo is great and that he consistently puts guys on their asses from the clinch. Thing is he obviously couldn't show that against Anderson because he would have been eviscerated by a barrage of knees. Bisping is alright from the clinch but more importantly he is good at avoiding it when it doesn't suit him. He'd just backpedal and stay out of range.
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I agree with your post 100%.
 
Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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bjj_rage said:
supermez said:
So Bisping getting Maia if he gets past Grove on Dec. 4th is one theory that's being thrown around, most notably by Jake Rossen here: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/UFC-120-Postmortem-Bisping-Accelerates-Hardy-Parked-27569.
What are your thoughts on the bout? I personally think it will be a tough one for Maia. Bisping is very good at defending takedowns, and very good at dictating range. Since Maia's best hope of getting him to the ground is from the clinch I can see Bisping sitting pretty comfortably behind his jab and winning a convincing decision.
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well, I see you're from the UK my friend, I think you're thinking more with your heart than with your brains... I think Bispings could ride a decision, running away from Maia for 3 rounds, but convincing decision? I dont think Bisping can get a convincing decision over any top 10 MW, let alone maia.
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Only in the UK.Besides it would be a boring fight probly anyway,They both would be avoiding eachothers strong points.I would only watch it if it was for free,not PPV.
 
Originally posted by: mez
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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magnuml said:
bjj_rage said:
supermez said:
So Bisping getting Maia if he gets past Grove on Dec. 4th is one theory that's being thrown around, most notably by Jake Rossen here: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/UFC-120-Postmortem-Bisping-Accelerates-Hardy-Parked-27569.
What are your thoughts on the bout? I personally think it will be a tough one for Maia. Bisping is very good at defending takedowns, and very good at dictating range. Since Maia's best hope of getting him to the ground is from the clinch I can see Bisping sitting pretty comfortably behind his jab and winning a convincing decision.
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well, I see you're from the UK my friend, I think you're thinking more with your heart than with your brains... I think Bispings could ride a decision, running away from Maia for 3 rounds, but convincing decision? I dont think Bisping can get a convincing decision over any top 10 MW, let alone maia.
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Only in the UK.
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What, so you're saying Bisping got lucky winning the decision against Akiyama? He had one iffy decision, over 3 years ago, and has won plenty of legitimate decisions since.
 
Originally posted by: CF3
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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bjj_rage said:
supermez said:
CF3 said:
Bisping can out-run the best of them and Maia has a horrible takedown game. This fight could be boring as hell. Maia went 5 rounds with Silva and couldn't get anything going on the ground. I'd rather see Bisping against somebody more aggressive like Marquart or even somebody like Jorge Rivera.
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To be fair I remember hearing an interview with someone who trains with Maia, can't remember who it was, but they were basically saying that Maia's judo is great and that he consistently puts guys on their asses from the clinch. Thing is he obviously couldn't show that against Anderson because he would have been eviscerated by a barrage of knees. Bisping is alright from the clinch but more importantly he is good at avoiding it when it doesn't suit him. He'd just backpedal and stay out of range.
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I agree with your post 100%.
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Hendo got Silva to the ground
Marquardt got silva to the ground
Sonnen got Silva to the ground
Even a half dead(from cutting weight) Travis Lutter got Silva to the ground.
Maia...not so much.
Don't get wrong I like Maia in this match-up, His BBJ is second to none. I just think Bisping would literally out run him. Not to mention Maia's stand up is average at best.
 
Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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To answer supermez,Yes to your first comment and who has he beaten in the top 20 let alone top 10?And that decision was faaaaaaaar from iffy.
 
Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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CF3 said:
supermez said:
CF3 said:
Bisping can out-run the best of them and Maia has a horrible takedown game. This fight could be boring as hell. Maia went 5 rounds with Silva and couldn't get anything going on the ground. I'd rather see Bisping against somebody more aggressive like Marquart or even somebody like Jorge Rivera.
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To be fair I remember hearing an interview with someone who trains with Maia, can't remember who it was, but they were basically saying that Maia's judo is great and that he consistently puts guys on their asses from the clinch. Thing is he obviously couldn't show that against Anderson because he would have been eviscerated by a barrage of knees. Bisping is alright from the clinch but more importantly he is good at avoiding it when it doesn't suit him. He'd just backpedal and stay out of range.
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I agree with your post 100%.
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Hendo got Silva to the ground
Marquardt got silva to the ground
Sonnen got Silva to the ground
Even a half dead(from cutting weight) Travis Lutter got Silva to the ground.
Maia...not so much.
Don't get wrong I like Maia in this match-up, His BBJ is second to none. I just think Bisping would literally out run him. Not to mention Maia's stand up is average at best.[/quote]
im not saying AS tdd is legendary, just saying, maia had to close the distance and get in range for his tds to work, hes a judo black belt, his tds from the clinch are pretty good, problem was, clinch with AS wasnt the smartes idea, thats why he had to shoot from outside...
Hendo was a olimpic wrestler
Nate him self has pretty good tds, but I dont remember him takind down silva at will.
Sonnen has the best Tds in the MWd
Lutter, well, he just caught him...
So out of 4 guys you mentioned you have 2 really great wrestlers and one good one... not so bad.
Maia has good Tds, he might have not been able to take AS to the ground, he sure as hell took Chael, and Chael's TDd is like 100x better than Andersons....
 
Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: October 18, 2010 at 04:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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Mez and others I think you are underestimating Maias hands and over stating Bispings abilitys. In the Silva fight Maia you must remember was able to penetrate through AS stand up and actually had AS in trouble at a couple of points in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Maia does not have the best TDs for sure but his BJJ is obviously off the chain and his stand up has improved every fight since the Quarry fight. Look at the Miranda fight, Miranda is known as a BJJ guy but he has won nearly half his fights by KO/TKO including against Louiseau who is no scrub in the stand up department and yet he could not beat Maia on the feet while they were up. Bisping has "decent" boxing against fighters with less reach than him, Hamill, Akiyama, Miller come to mind and he uses that to establish a jab and distance but Maia has the reach to avoid Bisping playing that game.
 
Originally posted by: mez
Date: October 18, 2010 at 05:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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magnuml said:
To answer supermez,Yes to your first comment and who has he beaten in the top 20 let alone top 10?And that decision was faaaaaaaar from iffy.
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In no way was he lucky against Akiyama, it was pretty clear cut. I think the first round was close and could maybe have understood 29-28, but to say Bisping didn't win that fight is ludicrous.
And to answer oldwardog, Chael was also beating Silva on the feet for pretty much the entire fight. The Anderson Silva we saw in his last 2 fights is not the same guy that ran through Rich Franklin twice. His defense never used to be this porous. I don't think there's anything that can be learned from the Silva/Maia fight anyway, the whole affair was just odd.
 
Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: October 18, 2010 at 05:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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I think Bisping picks Maia apart standing. As much as I would like Maia to get a submission, Bisping is good at getting in and out with his combos
 
Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: October 18, 2010 at 09:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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supermez said:
magnuml said:
To answer supermez,Yes to your first comment and who has he beaten in the top 20 let alone top 10?And that decision was faaaaaaaar from iffy.
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In no way was he lucky against Akiyama, it was pretty clear cut. I think the first round was close and could maybe have understood 29-28, but to say Bisping didn't win that fight is ludicrous.
And to answer oldwardog, Chael was also beating Silva on the feet for pretty much the entire fight. The Anderson Silva we saw in his last 2 fights is not the same guy that ran through Rich Franklin twice. His defense never used to be this porous. I don't think there's anything that can be learned from the Silva/Maia fight anyway, the whole affair was just odd.
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So i guess you did not have a answer to my second comment and you agree with the hamill fight.
 
Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: October 18, 2010 at 09:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bisping-vs-maia-who-you-got.31394/
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supermez said:
And to answer oldwardog, Chael was also beating Silva on the feet for pretty much the entire fight. The Anderson Silva we saw in his last 2 fights is not the same guy that ran through Rich Franklin twice. His defense never used to be this porous. I don't think there's anything that can be learned from the Silva/Maia fight anyway, the whole affair was just odd.
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Difference is Mez that the AS who fought Sonnen was badly hindered in every aspect of the game by the rib injury, the AS who faced Maia was doing whatever he wanted to most of the fight but Maia did manage to get through AS defense. We have not seen the same AS since his Cote fight to be honest about it but he has still managed to effectively seal the deal on fighters like Griffin known to have a chin better than Bisping or Maias. AS is bored I have said before and still believe, he can win how he wants and knows it. Maia via sub I say.
 
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