BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisions

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sourpuss
Date: July 05, 2011 at 09:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

BJ Penn Says the Way to Fix MMA is Get rid of the Judges
and Make Decisions Draws for Both Opponents
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(Video courtesy of YouTube/BJPenn.com)
BJ Penn has a simple answer to boring fights and skewed judges’ decisions: Get rid of the belts and get rid of the judges.
“I definitely think the way to make it exciting is get rid of the belts and get rid of the judges first thing, right off the bat. If anything goes to a decision, it should be an automatic draw. The only way you can win a fight is by finishing your guy and the only way you can lose is by getting finished.”
Sure, Beej may be tooting a different horn if he hadn’t lost the majority of his career pinnacle fights against guys like GSP and Frankie Edgar by decision, but he didn’t.
Under BJ’s proposed rule changes, he would have a 13-2-10 record, which would make him one of the mid-level fighters as far as pay goes in the UFC according to his next bit of logic.
You put all of the fighters with the most draws at the bottom of the pay scale, you put all of the guys with the least losses and the least draws at the top of the pay scale and you fill it down accordingly. No one will want to go to a decision. No one will try to fight for points because you can’t win unless you finish a guy and then we’ll really find out who the best is.”
Here’s an example of who BJ would consider the worst paid to best paid in the UFC based on their number of decisions, or “BJ Draws”:
Jon Fitch: 11 BJ Draws
Josh Koscheck: 9 BJ Draws
Georges St-Pierre: 9 BJ Draws
BJ Penn: 8 BJ Draws
Lyoto Machida: 6 BJ Draws
Quinton “Rampage” Jackson: 6 BJ Draws
Mike Swick: 5 BJ Draws
Anderson Silva: 2 BJ Draws
Frank Mir: 2 BJ Draws
Cain Velasquez: 1 BJ Draw
Shane Carwin: 1 BJ Draw
Jon Jones: 0 BJ Draws
Jon Jones and Shane Carwin would make bank under these proposed guidelines.
Really then, any fighter making his UFC debut has the chance to become one of the highest paid fighters with a finish win if you go by BJ’s logic. Hopefully the UFC doesn’t give him a job in the office handing out bonuses when he retires. Otherwise the promotion will go bankrupt fast.
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sourpuss
Date: July 05, 2011 at 09:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Please Fans
My question is, would it be considered a finish if your corner throws in the towel?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: July 05, 2011 at 09:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Please Fans
sourpuss said:
My question is, would it be considered a finish if your corner throws in the towel?
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Choose another fight to mention other than the infamous greasing fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: SheerTerror
Date: July 05, 2011 at 09:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Please Fans
PsychoIcon said:
sourpuss said:
My question is, would it be considered a finish if your corner throws in the towel?
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Choose another fight to mention other than the infamous greasing fight.
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Chuck vs Rampage 1

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sourpuss
Date: July 05, 2011 at 10:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Please Fans
PsychoIcon said:
sourpuss said:
My question is, would it be considered a finish if your corner throws in the towel?
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Choose another fight to mention other than the infamous greasing fight.
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Why? This is totally relevant to the topic.
I am intentionally drawing attention to BJ withdrawing from that fight because I wonder how his new idea would impact his record.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 05, 2011 at 10:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
I got an idea, get rid of all the babies crying about boring fights.
Sports are about competition under a specific set of rules and/or guidelines. There is not one single mainstream sport that I can think of that doesn't include some form of judge and/or official. Accept it. If you want MMA to be accepted worldwide as a "sport," accept it, STFU and stop being selfish.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Bucho
Date: July 05, 2011 at 10:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
ResoluteProtector said:
I got an idea, get rid of all the babies crying about boring fights.
Sports are about competition under a specific set of rules and/or guidelines. There is not one single mainstream sport that I can think of that doesn't include some form of judge and/or official. Accept it. If you want MMA to be accepted worldwide as a "sport," accept it, STFU and stop being selfish.
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There is a judge/official in BJ's idea. He's called the referee.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: faberschin
Date: July 05, 2011 at 10:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
ResoluteProtector said:
I got an idea, get rid of all the babies crying about boring fights.
Sports are about competition under a specific set of rules and/or guidelines. There is not one single mainstream sport that I can think of that doesn't include some form of judge and/or official. Accept it. If you want MMA to be accepted worldwide as a "sport," accept it, STFU and stop being selfish.
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+1 couldn't have said it better, its a sport boring fights can happen. I didn't see mir vs crocop which ended in KO but from what I read the next day it was a terrible fight and I'm probably not gonna watch it. But I could watch edgar vs maynard 2 and cruz faber 2 all day. So plain and simple fights don't have to get finished to be great and fights that get finished are not always going to be barnburners. Make any sense?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: July 05, 2011 at 10:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
Cage Potato made this look like a much more moronic idea than it actually is. Obviously the idea as stated in a couple of broad sentences has some holes in it, but I'm not gonna lie. If BJ Penn came out 10 years from now with a new fighting organization that had an outline similar to the one he had, I would be very intrigued by the idea.
I don't like the idea of them getting rid of the titles, but some points he makes are pretty damn good.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MalcolmX
Date: July 05, 2011 at 10:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
Jon Jones would have two BJ draws actually, Stephen Bonnar and Andre Gusmao

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: July 05, 2011 at 10:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
Maybe Split Decisions could be draws.
But the more you mess with the system, the more fighters will find other way to be boring or stall for wins.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: July 05, 2011 at 11:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
i like how everyone and even the article points out what fighters would have draws..........ya i'm sure they would have that many draws if the rules were like BJ wants......nah they wouldn't change their fighting styles or gameplans to adjust.....nah not at all :roll:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: July 06, 2011 at 08:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
Jak said:
Maybe Split Decisions could be draws.
But the more you mess with the system, the more fighters will find other way to be boring or stall for wins.
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This sounds good.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: armbarandgrill
Date: July 06, 2011 at 08:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
ResoluteProtector said:
I got an idea, get rid of all the babies crying about boring fights.
Sports are about competition under a specific set of rules and/or guidelines. There is not one single mainstream sport that I can think of that doesn't include some form of judge and/or official. Accept it. If you want MMA to be accepted worldwide as a "sport," accept it, STFU and stop being selfish.
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really, it all comes down to this ^^^^.
i have never been bored by a MMA fight and it amazes me that so many people are. the problem is that the fans who have no problem with the sport as it is seem to be largely quiet, leaving the complainers to constantly go on about boring fights and unfair decisions. it's become so bad that the MMA media and commentators are jumping on board as if these people represent the majority of fans....which they do not.
most of us enjoy the sport. we're here for more than a KO and realize that the sport will never be non-stop action, unless it's scripted like pro wrtestling. the bummer is that we rarely say anything. when people complain about boring fights they should be attacked by everyone else and told to shut up or move on to another sport. it gets depressing hearing complaints after every single card. every one!
these fans dont like the sport as it is? then move on to something else and let the rest of us enjoy what we're seeing....mixed martial artisis COMPETING....not always trying to KILL EACH OTHER!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: nockyourselfout
Date: July 06, 2011 at 10:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
Just keep the fight night bonuses but adjust how fighters are paid. Tito made $450,000, change that to he gets $225,000 instead for a dec and the other half added on only for a ko, tko or sub. Plus he still has the opportunity to get the fight bonus of $75,000 to top it off. The way it stands right now fighters like Tito get a flat rate and no win bonus, which means he gets payed the same to win or lose. Look at his last 5 fights and he wouldn't be getting paid as much to lose or draw. All fighters should be on the same pay scale not financially but as far as the win bonus. The win bonus sometimes makes a fighter play it safe, but if they know that their pay is the same win or lose and can only increase by finishing the opponent, it might contribute to more exciting fights. Granted UFC 132 had its share of stoppages but as a whole this might help make for more exciting fights. Fitch wouldn't get paid his humping bonus, nor would GSP, and Koscheck against Daley or Rashad against Rampage. Fitch and GSP always and the others depending on whats at stake would be more likely to try and finish rather than hump their way to victory. Most but not all #1 contender fights are play it safe and it still might happen on occasion but this could help with them as well as other fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: armbarandgrill
Date: July 06, 2011 at 10:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
nockyourselfout said:
Just keep the fight night bonuses but adjust how fighters are paid. Tito made $450,000, change that to he gets $225,000 instead for a dec and the other half added on only for a ko, tko or
sub
. Plus he still has the opportunity to get the fight bonus of $75,000 to top it off. The way it stands right now fighters like Tito get a flat rate and no win bonus, which means he gets payed the same to win or lose. Look at his last 5 fights and he wouldn't be getting paid as much to lose or draw. All fighters should be on the same pay scale not financially but as far as the win bonus. The win bonus sometimes makes a fighter play it safe, but if they know that their pay is the same win or lose and can only increase by finishing the opponent, it might contribute to more exciting fights. Granted UFC 132 had its share of stoppages but as a whole this might help make for more exciting fights. Fitch wouldn't get paid his humping bonus, nor would GSP, and Koscheck against Daley or Rashad against Rampage. Fitch and GSP always and the others depending on whats at stake would be more likely to try and finish rather than hump their way to victory. Most but not all #1 contender fights are play it safe and it still might happen on occasion but this could help with them as well as other fights.
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are there actually people who would rather see a sub than a 3 round war? subs are boring and people who tap are weak.
i can't believe how a "finish" is so important to some people that they'd settle for someone quitting. that's far from a finish.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: REDRUM
Date: July 06, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
Ive been thinking this way for the longest time...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: July 06, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Please Fans
PsychoIcon said:
sourpuss said:
My question is, would it be considered a finish if your corner throws in the towel?
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Choose another fight to mention other than the infamous greasing fight.
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GSP vs Thomas Denny, but GSPs corner forgot the towel. :lol:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: nockyourselfout
Date: July 06, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
armbarandgrill said:
nockyourselfout said:
Just keep the fight night bonuses but adjust how fighters are paid. Tito made $450,000, change that to he gets $225,000 instead for a dec and the other half added on only for a ko, tko or
sub
. Plus he still has the opportunity to get the fight bonus of $75,000 to top it off. The way it stands right now fighters like Tito get a flat rate and no win bonus, which means he gets payed the same to win or lose. Look at his last 5 fights and he wouldn't be getting paid as much to lose or draw. All fighters should be on the same pay scale not financially but as far as the win bonus. The win bonus sometimes makes a fighter play it safe, but if they know that their pay is the same win or lose and can only increase by finishing the opponent, it might contribute to more exciting fights. Granted UFC 132 had its share of stoppages but as a whole this might help make for more exciting fights. Fitch wouldn't get paid his humping bonus, nor would GSP, and Koscheck against Daley or Rashad against Rampage. Fitch and GSP always and the others depending on whats at stake would be more likely to try and finish rather than hump their way to victory. Most but not all #1 contender fights are play it safe and it still might happen on occasion but this could help with them as well as other fights.
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are there actually people who would rather see a sub than a 3 round war? subs are boring and people who tap are weak.
i can't believe how a "finish" is so important to some people that they'd settle for someone quitting. that's far from a finish.
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That doesn't mean we won't see any 3 round wars because they guys will be looking to finish with more incentive. Was Koscheck vs Daley a 3 round war? Was Rashad vs Rampage? Is Fitch vs anybody a 3 round war? I don't mind seeing a dec if it's a good fight. How would this take away from a 3 round war? It might take away from a humpfest tho.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: LUVufc
Date: July 06, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bj-has-radical-solution-to-boring-fights-and-bad-decisions.40217/

Re: BJ Has Radical Solution to Boring Fights and Bad Decisio
Im not saying this is a solution to decisions but i think it would help...get rid of the "Fight of the Night" bonus and give out more KO and Submission bonuses. These days the "Fight of the Night" bonus is more like the "Most Exciting Decision" bonus...The "FotN" bonus just allows some guy who lost and another guy who couldnt finish a nice payday while another guy who went out and finished doesnt get a payout.