Originally posted by: smfowns4 Date: February 08, 2011 at 08:15 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
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According to our fiscal friends over at BetUS.com, it's UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Mauricio Rua, who is the +180 underdog heading into his reworked UFC 128 main event against the recently promoted division contender Jon Jones.
"Bones" stands as the favorite at -230.
Anyone ready to open their wallets? Or do you expect the lines to shift dramatically as we get closer to fight night?
"Shogun" was originally booked to defend his light heavyweight strap against Rashad Evans; however, "Suga" suffered a knee injury in training camp, forcing him to hand over his 205-pound title shot on March 19 in "The Garden State" to his friend and training partner.
Jones earned the short-notice title fight with a second round submission of Ryan Bader at UFC 126 back on Feb. 5.
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty Date: February 08, 2011 at 08:25 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
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Nice photoshop....and I can't believe Shogun is the underdog. I know Jones is awesome. Hes f---ing great. But its Shogun Rua we are talking about here. The guy that won the most stacked tournament in mixed martial arts history. He beat out 15 of the best fighters of the world in that tournament and came out on top.
Evangelista Santos
Akihiro Gono
Rampage Jackson
Alistair Overeem
Rogerio Noguera
Ricardo Arona
Cyrille Diabate
Kevin Randleman
Mark Coleman
Chuck Lidell
Lyoto Machida
If thats not a great track record I don't know what is. I definitely see the potential in Jon Jones to become one of the best all time, but I just can't believe he is the betting favorite over Shogun Rua. How does that even work?
Originally posted by: REDRUM Date: February 08, 2011 at 08:33 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Originally posted by: juv Date: February 08, 2011 at 08:38 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Jones towered over Shogun in the cage last week.
I think the odds are justified, he ragdolled Bader who you would of thought was a strong guy, just the strength of the man is incredible. Shogun really needs to either blitzkreig him with punches or try lock up some sort of submission, which I suspect will be difficult.
Originally posted by: roostproof Date: February 08, 2011 at 08:40 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
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TheLethalLefty said:
Nice photoshop....and I can't believe Shogun is the underdog. I know Jones is awesome. Hes f**king great. But its Shogun Rua we are talking about here. The guy that won the most stacked tournament in mixed martial arts history. He beat out 15 of the best fighters of the world in that tournament and came out on top.
Evangelista Santos
Akihiro Gono
Rampage Jackson
Alistair Overeem
Rogerio Noguera
Ricardo Arona
Cyrille Diabate
Kevin Randleman
Mark Coleman
Chuck Lidell
Lyoto Machida
If thats not a great track record I don't know what is. I definitely see the potential in Jon Jones to become one of the best all time, but I just can't believe he is the betting favorite over Shogun Rua. How does that even work?
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I pretty sure its because Shogun is coming off knee surgery. His cardio will probably hurt him because his knee won't allow to train as hard. Remember when he fought Forrest? I'm pretty sure that's what the odd makers are thinking on this one, i could be wrong. I don't think Jones should be favored by that much though.
Originally posted by: EdoKaz818 Date: February 08, 2011 at 08:45 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Shogun has the most impressive Resume of any champ.
He might be underdog but he has been udnerdog in many of his fights infact
Liddel, Rampage, Lil Nog (i beleieve), Machida (both times), and Arona.
Those shots BAder landed on JJ are nothing even close to what Shogun can land on him. Bader doesnt even hit with 50% of the power Shogun hits with
Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE Date: February 08, 2011 at 09:51 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Originally posted by: Gnarcore Date: February 08, 2011 at 10:12 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Jones will most likely put Shogun on his back at some point. The problem there is Shogun is very dangerous off his back and I am betting on a leg lock sub win.
I have 3 units down on Shogun at +190.
Originally posted by: Koos Date: February 08, 2011 at 10:21 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Originally posted by: roostproof Date: February 08, 2011 at 10:52 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Gnarcore said:
Jones will most likely put Shogun on his back at some point. The problem there is Shogun is very dangerous off his back and I am betting on a leg lock sub win.
I have 3 units down on Shogun at +190.
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Shogun has one submission. He has been submitted twice. I would not consiter him that dangerous off his back.
Originally posted by: Paint_Chips Date: February 08, 2011 at 10:54 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Considering Shogun's layoff I'm not totally surprised. I think the line will change though as fight night gets closer.
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector Date: February 08, 2011 at 11:16 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Paint_Chips said:
Considering Shogun's layoff I'm not totally surprised. I think the line will change though as fight night gets closer.
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This.
Originally posted by: TheVileOne Date: February 08, 2011 at 11:20 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
It's not surprising. Shogun has had bad performances coming off long layoffs and injuries. He beat Coleman but it wasn't a good performance.
Jones is the hot young fighter right now. He's beating guys left and right so not surprising the odds are favoring him. Odds favored Lyoto Machida the same way going up to the first Shogun fight.
Plus Shogun doesn't have great takedown defense and Jones has a great shot and strength to just mandhandle dudes.
Originally posted by: Gnarcore Date: February 08, 2011 at 11:26 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
roostproof said:
Gnarcore said:
Jones will most likely put Shogun on his back at some point. The problem there is Shogun is very dangerous off his back and I am betting on a leg lock sub win.
I have 3 units down on Shogun at +190.
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Shogun has one submission. He has been submitted twice. I would not consiter him that dangerous off his back.
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This is analysis based off win/loss records from a web site. Shogun has very rarely been put on his back but when he has he usually sweeps and transitions quickly. It is well known he has great leg locks and a solid ground game while Jones has shown a tendency to leave his limbs open for subs.
Originally posted by: 7time Date: February 08, 2011 at 11:30 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Gnarcore said:
roostproof said:
Gnarcore said:
Jones will most likely put Shogun on his back at some point. The problem there is Shogun is very dangerous off his back and I am betting on a leg lock sub win.
I have 3 units down on Shogun at +190.
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Shogun has one submission. He has been submitted twice. I would not consiter him that dangerous off his back.
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This is analysis based off win/loss records from a web site. Shogun has very rarely been put on his back but when he has he usually sweeps and transitions quickly. It is well known he has great leg locks and a solid ground game while Jones has shown a tendency to leave his limbs open for subs.
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I gotta agree with Gnar here. Gonna put my first MMA bet on shogun to get the w.
Originally posted by: feijaofan Date: February 08, 2011 at 11:45 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
I agree with Gnarcore too, paper says Shogun isn't a sub specialist but look at how he threatened Machida on the ground in their last fight, immediately looked for a leg then used it to get up. He won't be some Mousasi on the ground.
And for clarification, I think Bones opened around -140, at least that was what I saw on Sunday.
Originally posted by: REDRUM Date: February 09, 2011 at 07:38 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Originally posted by: Thai Date: February 09, 2011 at 07:43 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
Seriously, very good odds to bet on Shogun. I think he has all the advantage on the stand-up and sub game.
Originally posted by: mabrown45 Date: February 09, 2011 at 08:18 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
Re: Bones opens up as a -230 favorite over Shogun, who's at
shogun will probably get put on his back.......but he does one thing better than most i have seen........he gets up really quick.
i'd say coming off the long layoff and knee problems yet again its fare to say Bones is a favorite.
Originally posted by: bjj_rage Date: February 09, 2011 at 10:12 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/bones-opens-up-as-a-230-favorite-over-shogun-whos-at-180.35504/
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Koos said:
-230 WOW.........
At those odds a heathly play on Shogun makes sense.
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would've been much better if shogun was +230!
