Boxing vs MMA

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

OK... I am tired of the comparison.
Boxing PPV's and fighter payout has STILL been enormous over MMA. (big name)
However, MMA has still been getting mainstream access (Strikeforce) and has put together a substantial amount of cards. So from a promotional stand point, I would have to give MMA the edge. They hold more PPV worthy cards more often compared to the boxing 3 month + interval cards.
What irks me the most though, is the direct mma vs boxing aspect. I can not fathom any boxer that thinks that they could put a clinic on a MMA fighter. Now for the devils's advocate, "but a MMA fighter would not be able to compete in boxing". I would agree BUT boxing is a part of MMA just like BJJ is. Do i think that, Fedor, Moussasi, Brock Lesnar, GSP, AS would go to the ADCC and take championship... NO.
Boxers limit their expertise and solidify their hand striking. If it were an ACTUAL fight (bar-room/streetO, I would easily take a Fedor over a Klitschko, or Anderson Silva over Roy Jones Jr..
Any nay sayers can just research Muhammad Ali vs Antonio Inoki just to verify what a prestige boxer would have to limit an opponent (even WWE type wrestler) just to be competetive in a match.
I hope there are some boxing fans that can retort this.... SAY SOMETHING!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

I know that there are some boxing fans on this site because they are all over the main forums dribbling there rubbish (as Bisping would say). And try not to get lost in Tyson's eyes when you write something LOGICAL

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Marktheshark
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

im not trying to be rude but theres not too much point to this the world know a full time boxer 9 out of ten time would get TOOLED in and mma match presumeing they fight somneone top 10 worthy and the sameg oes for mixed martial artists they would be desatroyed in a boxing match versus a good boxer

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Marktheshark said:
im not trying to be rude but theres not too much point to this the world know a full time boxer 9 out of ten time would get TOOLED in and mma match presumeing they fight somneone top 10 worthy and the sameg oes for mixed martial artists they would be desatroyed in a boxing match versus a good boxer
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The best boxer in the world (PBF, pacman) would get tooled in an MMA match against Tommy Spears (weight being relative) so long as they didnt try to stand and strike with the boxer.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

I completley understand Shark, but I believe that MMA is closer to [streetfighting/all around technical] than its boxing counterpart. I see a boxer holding absolutely no water within MMA rules or lack there of.
I see MMA as fighting (obviously with rules) and boxing as a even more limted form as fighting. Boxing to me is like a wrestling/grappling match, they can hold their own within their own HAPPY place but would get tooled if they venture outside without cross-training... ie Lesnar vs Mir 1

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Reako said:
Marktheshark said:
im not trying to be rude but theres not too much point to this the world know a full time boxer 9 out of ten time would get TOOLED in and mma match presumeing they fight somneone top 10 worthy and the sameg oes for mixed martial artists they would be desatroyed in a boxing match versus a good boxer
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The best boxer in the world (PBF, pacman) would get tooled in an MMA match against Tommy Spears (weight being relative) so long as they didnt try to stand and strike with the boxer.
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The best part is that I am not trying to say that a boxer would get be by an MMA artist under MMA rules, but under bar/backyard rules (please refrain yourself from saying weapons, and just visualize the Kimbo-esque situations).
A boxer would have NO additional tools to dismantle a MMA fighter... Period

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Monistat_7 said:
Reako said:
Marktheshark said:
im not trying to be rude but theres not too much point to this the world know a full time boxer 9 out of ten time would get TOOLED in and mma match presumeing they fight somneone top 10 worthy and the sameg oes for mixed martial artists they would be desatroyed in a boxing match versus a good boxer
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The best boxer in the world (PBF, pacman) would get tooled in an MMA match against Tommy Spears (weight being relative) so long as they didnt try to stand and strike with the boxer.
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The best part is that I am not trying to say that a boxer would get be by an MMA artist under MMA rules, but under bar/backyard rules (please refrain yourself from saying weapons, and just visualize the Kimbo-esque situations).
A boxer would have NO additional tools to dismantle a MMA fighter... Period
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A boxer would have not the tools to dispatch your average high school wrestler in that scenerio. Not sure thats news there. Anyone that has spent any time understanding combat in any way realizes this *shrug*

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brown_Pride
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

I'm a boxing fan. In fact, I love boxing. But what the hell does this thread have to do with anything? Boxing and MMA are not the same sports. There is no comparison. The only reason that there is a beef between boxing and MMA fans is because fans like you who intend on driving a wedge between the fan bases by saying, "a MMArtist would stomp a boxer," or, "boxing is a science, MMA is a brawl."
The fact of the matter is boxing is measuring ones abilty to avoid and deliver punches.
MMA measures what techniques really work if you are fighting a guy that is trained in a multitude of martial arts.
In a bar fight you say you would take a MMArtist over a boxer? Who cares. Neither boxing or MMA is a bar fight, they are prize fights..
And what about guys that had distinguished wrestling careers like O'neill Bell or Danny Hodge?
What about Andre Berto who is one of the most promising young stars in boxing? His father fought in the UFC, and Andre turned down numerous wrestling scholarships to pursue boxing, and he is now a world champion at the age of 25.
The best athletes with the right training will beat their opponents. Boxing still has amazing athletes and they don't want to do MMA, because there is still much more money in boxing when compared to MMA. When the payscale levels out, you will see all those great athletes from boxing come to MMA, and you will see what true world-class striking looks like----and it ain't Anderson Silva or Rampage Jackson...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

For a good read on what turned into a REAL Boxing vs Wrestling (keep in mind, just WWE style) google Ali vs Inoki. This is a boxing LEGEND against the equivalent of an Undertaker/HHH with no "real" fighting experience.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brown_Pride
Date: November 26, 2009 at 09:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Monistat_7 said:
For a good read on what turned into a REAL Boxing vs Wrestling (keep in mind, just WWE style) google Ali vs Inoki. This is a boxing LEGEND against the equivalent of an Undertaker/HHH with no "real" fighting experience.
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LOL...or go watch the youtube clip of it...it was all a big sham..what do people find so impressive about that fight? Can anyone enlighten me?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Brown_Pride said:
I'm a boxing fan. In fact, I love boxing. But what the hell does this thread have to do with anything? Boxing and MMA are not the same sports. There is no comparison. The only reason that there is a beef between boxing and MMA fans is because fans like you who intend on driving a wedge between the fan bases by saying, "a MMArtist would stomp a boxer," or, "boxing is a science, MMA is a brawl."
The fact of the matter is boxing is measuring ones abilty to avoid and deliver punches.
MMA measures what techniques really work if you are fighting a guy that is trained in a multitude of martial arts.
In a bar fight you say you would take a MMArtist over a boxer? Who cares. Neither boxing or MMA is a bar fight, they are prize fights..
And what about guys that had distinguished wrestling careers like O'neill Bell or Danny Hodge?
What about Andre Berto who is one of the most promising young stars in boxing? His father fought in the UFC, and Andre turned down numerous wrestling scholarships to pursue boxing, and he is now a world champion at the age of 25.
I guess its because of fans like me or guys like your boy $-weather who debunk MMA as a whole, only to be told by their father what morons they are.
In a bar fight you say you would take a MMArtist over a boxer? Who cares. Neither boxing or MMA is a bar fight, they are prize fights..
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I am not saying that they fight in a bar just to fight there, but that MMA (without the cliche) is as real as it gets. You can't compare what somebody is able to do in a ring with 16 oz gloves and only upper body tapping to that of a cage fighter with all limbs at their disposal.
And your argument is about how good boxers are doing within the sport of boxing? There's a huge difference mastering an aspect instead of learning them all
I hope for the day that another legend feels froggy to cross over. Until then, there is always Ali and Mercer!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Brown_Pride said:
Monistat_7 said:
For a good read on what turned into a REAL Boxing vs Wrestling (keep in mind, just WWE style) google Ali vs Inoki. This is a boxing LEGEND against the equivalent of an Undertaker/HHH with no "real" fighting experience.
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LOL...or go watch the youtube clip of it...it was all a big sham..what do people find so impressive about that fight? Can anyone enlighten me?
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I will help you out... the fact that Ali (ALI) could not do anything against the restricted (choreographed style) wrestler is embarrassing. What was supposed to be a Fixed Event was flipped due to some negotiation errors and turned into an actual match. Ali, Just saying!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brown_Pride
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Well, IDK what the point of your last post was.
Boxers make more money than MMArtists. So, why would they feel the need to cross over?
I don't see why so many fans don't see that the best athletes usually win in athletic competitions. You have some romaticized vision of martial arts, and don't want to see that typically it has nothing to do with "fighting spirit," or any of that other bulls--- that media outlets try to tell you, but that it has to do with how fast and strong the competitors are. The fact of the matter is when you look at MMA you see A LOT of white faces. Do you see that in any other professional sports?
What do you think that means? Does that mean white people have magically found the fountain of athleticism? No--it means they are studying other martial arts- specifally grappling arts- that are very effective in a real fight. However, eventually MMA will overtake boxing, or at least catch up in terms of pay-grade, and you will see an influx of true world-classed athletes in MMA.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brown_Pride
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Monistat_7 said:
Brown_Pride said:
Monistat_7 said:
For a good read on what turned into a REAL Boxing vs Wrestling (keep in mind, just WWE style) google Ali vs Inoki. This is a boxing LEGEND against the equivalent of an Undertaker/HHH with no "real" fighting experience.
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LOL...or go watch the youtube clip of it...it was all a big sham..what do people find so impressive about that fight? Can anyone enlighten me?
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I will help you out... the fact that Ali (ALI) could not do anything against the restricted (choreographed style) wrestler is embarrassing. What was supposed to be a Fixed Event was flipped due to some negotiation errors and turned into an actual match. Ali, Just saying!
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LOL..what did Inoki do? He laid on his back and tried to kick Ali in his legs...Very dominating performace...kinda like Thales' performance against ASilva...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Brown_Pride said:
Well, IDK what the point of your last post was.
Boxers make more money than MMArtists. So, why would they feel the need to cross over?
I don't see why so many fans don't see that the best athletes usually win in athletic competitions. You have some romaticized vision of martial arts, and don't want to see that typically it has nothing to do with "fighting spirit," or any of that other bulls**t that media outlets try to tell you, but that it has to do with how fast and strong the competitors are. The fact of the matter is when you look at MMA you see A LOT of white faces. Do you see that in any other professional sports?
What do you think that means? Does that mean white people have magically found the fountain of athleticism? No--it means they are studying other martial arts- specifally grappling arts- that are very effective in a real fight. However, eventually MMA will overtake boxing, or at least catch up in terms of pay-grade, and you will see an influx of true world-classed athletes in MMA.
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Talk about your racists posts LOL. So now MMA doesnt have good athletes because a majority of the fighters are white?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

I'm sorry, I forgot to mention that Inoki was a FAKE wrestler and that Ali is a combatitive sport legend. How did I miss that? LOL

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brown_Pride
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Reako said:
Brown_Pride said:
Well, IDK what the point of your last post was.
Boxers make more money than MMArtists. So, why would they feel the need to cross over?
I don't see why so many fans don't see that the best athletes usually win in athletic competitions. You have some romaticized vision of martial arts, and don't want to see that typically it has nothing to do with "fighting spirit," or any of that other bulls**t that media outlets try to tell you, but that it has to do with how fast and strong the competitors are. The fact of the matter is when you look at MMA you see A LOT of white faces. Do you see that in any other professional sports?
What do you think that means? Does that mean white people have magically found the fountain of athleticism? No--it means they are studying other martial arts- specifally grappling arts- that are very effective in a real fight. However, eventually MMA will overtake boxing, or at least catch up in terms of pay-grade, and you will see an influx of true world-classed athletes in MMA.
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Talk about your racists posts LOL. So now MMA doesnt have good athletes because a majority of the fighters are white?
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Truth hurts...but nowhere did I explicitly say what you said I said. But anytime anyone non-white ever participates in racial dialog they are usually labeled as racist or whatever you guys say.
And are you disputing the belief that people of color are more athletic--as a collective whole--than people of non-hispanic caucasian geneology?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brown_Pride
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Monistat_7 said:
I'm sorry, I forgot to mention that Inoki was a FAKE wrestler and that Ali is a combatitive sport legend. How did I miss that? LOL
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And I don't think you've ever watched the "fight." NOTHING HAPPENED. Inoki laid on his back. Ali never really threw a punch. What the heck is there to draw from that encounter???

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Reako said:
Brown_Pride said:
Well, IDK what the point of your last post was.
Boxers make more money than MMArtists. So, why would they feel the need to cross over?
I don't see why so many fans don't see that the best athletes usually win in athletic competitions. You have some romaticized vision of martial arts, and don't want to see that typically it has nothing to do with "fighting spirit," or any of that other bulls**t that media outlets try to tell you, but that it has to do with how fast and strong the competitors are. The fact of the matter is when you look at MMA you see A LOT of white faces. Do you see that in any other professional sports?
What do you think that means? Does that mean white people have magically found the fountain of athleticism? No--it means they are studying other martial arts- specifally grappling arts- that are very effective in a real fight. However, eventually MMA will overtake boxing, or at least catch up in terms of pay-grade, and you will see an influx of true world-classed athletes in MMA.
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Talk about your racists posts LOL. So now MMA doesnt have good athletes because a majority of the fighters are white?
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Damn those un-athletic bastards

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ATCMMA
Date: November 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/boxing-vs-mma.19817/

Brown_Pride said:
Reako said:
Brown_Pride said:
Well, IDK what the point of your last post was.
Boxers make more money than MMArtists. So, why would they feel the need to cross over?
I don't see why so many fans don't see that the best athletes usually win in athletic competitions. You have some romaticized vision of martial arts, and don't want to see that typically it has nothing to do with "fighting spirit," or any of that other bulls**t that media outlets try to tell you, but that it has to do with how fast and strong the competitors are. The fact of the matter is when you look at MMA you see A LOT of white faces. Do you see that in any other professional sports?
What do you think that means? Does that mean white people have magically found the fountain of athleticism? No--it means they are studying other martial arts- specifally grappling arts- that are very effective in a real fight. However, eventually MMA will overtake boxing, or at least catch up in terms of pay-grade, and you will see an influx of true world-classed athletes in MMA.
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Talk about your racists posts LOL. So now MMA doesnt have good athletes because a majority of the fighters are white?
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what do you mean "you guys"?
Truth hurts...but nowhere did I explicitly say what you said I said. But anytime anyone non-white ever participates in racial dialog they are usually labeled as racist or whatever you guys say.
And are you disputing the belief that people of color are more athletic--as a collective whole--than people of non-hispanic caucasian geneology?
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