Brock's gameplan in 2nd Mir fight

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: joecolombo818
Date: October 27, 2010 at 01:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

His gameplan was perfect in that fight. He knew Mir was the better striker so he didn't get into a boxing match with him. He threw him off by throwing those inside leg kicks and he waited for the right time to strike. When Mir rushed in for that leg log attempt, Lesnar threw a right cross that landed. He needs to be more of a counter striker, staying outside the pocket, using the jab to setup the takedown.
Most important he didn't get too RECKLESS in that fight like he did against Cain. A guy that big charging in, brawling, throwing wild knees is gonna gas quickly. If he had a composed, intelligent gameplan like he did against Mir the 2nd time, not saying he would have won but it would have been a much different fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: HBK42581
Date: October 27, 2010 at 02:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

joecolombo818 said:
His gameplan was perfect in that fight. He knew Mir was the better striker so he didn't get into a boxing match with him. He threw him off by throwing those inside leg kicks and he waited for the right time to strike. When Mir rushed in for that leg log attempt, Lesnar threw a right cross that landed. He needs to be more of a counter striker, staying outside the pocket, using the jab to setup the takedown.
Most important he didn't get too RECKLESS in that fight like he did against Cain. A guy that big charging in, brawling, throwing wild knees is gonna gas quickly. If he had a composed, intelligent gameplan like he did against Mir the 2nd time, not saying he would have won but it would have been a much different fight.
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Agree. In the Cain fight, I think the gameplan was obviously to bull rush, get a quick take down and then pound Cain out. They clearly didn't want this fight to go longer than a minute, never mind a full round.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: October 27, 2010 at 02:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

joecolombo818 said:
His gameplan was perfect in that fight. He knew Mir was the better striker so he didn't get into a boxing match with him. He threw him off by throwing those inside leg kicks and he waited for the right time to strike. When Mir rushed in for that leg log attempt, Lesnar threw a right cross that landed. He needs to be more of a counter striker, staying outside the pocket, using the jab to setup the takedown.
Most important he didn't get too RECKLESS in that fight like he did against Cain. A guy that big charging in, brawling, throwing wild knees is gonna gas quickly. If he had a composed, intelligent gameplan like he did against Mir the 2nd time, not saying he would have won but it would have been a much different fight.
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I think Lesnar needs to go for that in every fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: October 27, 2010 at 02:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Sedulous said:
joecolombo818 said:
His gameplan was perfect in that fight. He knew Mir was the better striker so he didn't get into a boxing match with him. He threw him off by throwing those inside leg kicks and he waited for the right time to strike. When Mir rushed in for that leg log attempt, Lesnar threw a right cross that landed. He needs to be more of a counter striker, staying outside the pocket, using the jab to setup the takedown.
Most important he didn't get too RECKLESS in that fight like he did against Cain. A guy that big charging in, brawling, throwing wild knees is gonna gas quickly. If he had a composed, intelligent gameplan like he did against Mir the 2nd time, not saying he would have won but it would have been a much different fight.
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I think Lesnar needs to go for that in every fight.
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I agree. He needs to be patient, conserve his energy, use his long reach and jab on the outside, throw a couple rights, shoot in for a takedown...get it, then pound them out after gaining side control. He needs to strike like machida, use the striking to set up the takedown like GSP, and finish like Brock Lesnar does!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: hawkins632
Date: October 27, 2010 at 02:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Brock just seemed off that entire night and at the weigh in's. He didn't do his usual pose or anything afterwards. In the fight he just roared after Cain like an idiot. I wish I knew what was going through his head but it seemed he just wanted to get in there and get out as fast as possible. Something was eating at him I think anyway.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: gsbgsb09
Date: October 27, 2010 at 02:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

He definently did let a lot out of his gas tank when he charged at Cain in the begining of the round, but I think the turning point in the fight was when he took Cain down and couldn't hold him down, when Cain took him down you can see the tide turn right there. He had that look on his face like "oh s--- I'm in trouble"

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: joecolombo818
Date: October 27, 2010 at 02:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

hawkins632 said:
Brock just seemed off that entire night and at the weigh in's. He didn't do his usual pose or anything afterwards. In the fight he just roared after Cain like an idiot. I wish I knew what was going through his head but it seemed he just wanted to get in there and get out as fast as possible. Something was eating at him I think anyway.
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Yep it's like he wasn't taking the fight seriously and the whole beard thing kinda added to it.
It will be interesting to see how he comes back from this or if he even comes back at all!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: October 27, 2010 at 02:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

He was agressive because he knew he was going to have a hard time taking Cain down.........and he tried to take him down in the first 10 seconds of the fight and failed.........Mir's TDD is garbage and took him down at will

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Siroth
Date: October 27, 2010 at 06:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Hitman21 said:
He was agressive because he knew he was going to have a hard time taking Cain down.........and he tried to take him down in the first 10 seconds of the fight and failed.........Mir's TDD is garbage and took him down at will
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Cain was smaller so he probably did think he can take him down, well he did, but he should have secured his position, if he would have stayed on top he would have probably won, or it could have gone to a second round(he would have done much better basically, Cain was already on his back thats where Lesnar shines) He was trying to better his position which I think cost him big time(he should of worked with what he had, Cain got back up too quickly Lesnar didnt even look like he had control)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Siroth
Date: October 27, 2010 at 06:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Yep it's like he wasn't taking the fight seriously and the whole beard thing kinda added to it.
It will be interesting to see how he comes back from this or if he even comes back at all![/quote]
My friends were like. . .so much for the beard -_-

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Project86
Date: October 27, 2010 at 06:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

the thing is imo brock should of kept the fight stand up instead of blowing his load gong for take downs and being overly aggressive brock did fine in the stand up since cain got wreckless
Cain even said brock hit him with a good right hand

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: October 27, 2010 at 07:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Siroth said:
Hitman21 said:
He was agressive because he knew he was going to have a hard time taking Cain down.........and he tried to take him down in the first 10 seconds of the fight and failed.........Mir's TDD is garbage and took him down at will
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Cain was smaller so he probably did think he can take him down, well he did, but he should have secured his position, if he would have stayed on top he would have probably won, or it could have gone to a second round(he would have done much better basically, Cain was already on his back thats where Lesnar shines) He was trying to better his position which I think cost him big time(he should of worked with what he had, Cain got back up too quickly Lesnar didnt even look like he had control)
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I disagree with you......Cain was the same size Mir was in the second fight with Lesnar
second Cain is a hell of a wrestler and thats his base Lesnar knew this coming in, while Mir is BJJ
He didnt take him down after failing once....but Cain got right back up..thats why Lesnar rushed him at first because he knew taking Cain down was hard but keeping him down was harder..
he also didnt want any part of Cain's striking
Mir was a different fighter, you cant use the same gameplan on both fighters, both are completely different, there waas no way Brock was going to man handle Cain in the flooor like he did Mir

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Panther78
Date: October 27, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Sedulous said:
joecolombo818 said:
His gameplan was perfect in that fight. He knew Mir was the better striker so he didn't get into a boxing match with him. He threw him off by throwing those inside leg kicks and he waited for the right time to strike. When Mir rushed in for that leg log attempt, Lesnar threw a right cross that landed. He needs to be more of a counter striker, staying outside the pocket, using the jab to setup the takedown.
Most important he didn't get too RECKLESS in that fight like he did against Cain. A guy that big charging in, brawling, throwing wild knees is gonna gas quickly. If he had a composed, intelligent gameplan like he did against Mir the 2nd time, not saying he would have won but it would have been a much different fight.
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I think Lesnar needs to go for that in every fight.
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Agreed, thats what he should always do.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: October 28, 2010 at 12:52 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Hitman21 said:
Siroth said:
Hitman21 said:
He was agressive because he knew he was going to have a hard time taking Cain down.........and he tried to take him down in the first 10 seconds of the fight and failed.........Mir's TDD is garbage and took him down at will
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Cain was smaller so he probably did think he can take him down, well he did, but he should have secured his position, if he would have stayed on top he would have probably won, or it could have gone to a second round(he would have done much better basically, Cain was already on his back thats where Lesnar shines) He was trying to better his position which I think cost him big time(he should of worked with what he had, Cain got back up too quickly Lesnar didnt even look like he had control)
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I disagree with you......Cain was the same size Mir was in the second fight with Lesnar
second Cain is a hell of a wrestler and thats his base Lesnar knew this coming in, while Mir is BJJ
He didnt take him down after failing once....but Cain got right back up..thats why Lesnar rushed him at first because he knew taking Cain down was hard but keeping him down was harder..
he also didnt want any part of Cain's striking
Mir was a different fighter, you cant use the same gameplan on both fighters, both are completely different, there waas no way Brock was going to man handle Cain in the flooor like he did Mir
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Yea Cain pushes way harder than Mir not to mention Cain isn't one to stay on his back given his wrestling background and explosiveness. Mir on the other hand was fine off his back because of how successful his BJJ has been in addition to the fact that he had submitted Brock off his back the first time they met.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EdoKaz818
Date: October 28, 2010 at 02:02 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Mir adn Brock well sorry to say just arnt that good or ever where sorry =/

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Siroth
Date: October 28, 2010 at 02:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

Imagine if Brocks gameplan went as planned. He takes Cain down with his rush, grinds him a bit, gets a good position, gnp his way to a TKO win. . . . crazy. I think his rush made alot of sense, even though everyone is saying it was the dumbest thing ever. Considering his abilities, he obviously didnt have a chance againts Cain standing, so catching him off guard and bull rushing might have actually been great if it worked lol it was a gamble, he lost -_-

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 4ozfighta
Date: October 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

These are all great excuses for Brock :lol:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Ufc0611
Date: October 28, 2010 at 01:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

4ozfighta said:
These are all great excuses for Brock :lol:
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Agreed he got the hell beat out of him n thats that :lol:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Ufc0611
Date: October 28, 2010 at 01:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/brocks-gameplan-in-2nd-mir-fight.31751/

EdoKaz818 said:
Mir adn Brock well sorry to say just arnt that good or ever where sorry =/
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thats the truth!!