ChAmPiOnS?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MJ
Date: May 15, 2009 at 06:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/champions.13533/

My only thing is that I dont think that Brock is the best hw in the world or even top 5. right now there are some great hw's in the UFC but I dont think any of them will be able to hang with him. The only reason is because of his size. I think he'll be the champ for a while for that reason only. I def think there are some great fights that will challenge him but Im having trouble finding who it wil be. Mir is coming up. Can he do it again. Prob not? Could Carwin do it? He's def a big dude with some major power,but can he match up and figure out how to adjust to Brock's size. Thenthere are others like Dos Santos,Kongo,Pat Barry who I like. Nogeria, Velasquez are also in the mix. I would like to see most of them the Ufc hw champ.
The one thing holding any of these fighters back is the 6'3 300 pound monster Brock Lesanr. My point is he's size is the main reason why he's the champ right now. Ok fighter,with a huge advantage. Much rather see someone else the champ. Sorryif im all over the place im a little baked!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: May 15, 2009 at 06:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/champions.13533/

I think there are two key factors on whether Brock will continue as HW champ.
1 - Patience, He showed none during his first fight with Mir, he showed little with his fight with Hearing and he showed little with his fight with Randy. Brock has to slow himself down. If Randy was 250 instead of 220 he wins that fight. He showing that he is a better technical wrestler then Brock, but Brocks size allowed the takedowns. Mir is not 220, he will come in closer to 240 maybe 250. He is better at jitz then Randy and I think (though not sure) has a longer reach then Randy. His wrestling is not as good as Randy's though which could pose a problem for him.
2 - Whether he is learning. It is claimed that he is a purple belt in jitz. Judging from his 3 fights I call BS on that. Everytime Hearing wiggled he was dumbfounded and had to resort to pure size to hold Hearing down in their fight. He showed basically no jitz v Randy. He obviously showed no jitz v Mir. It has been rumored that he is "in charge" of his training. That is a risky thing to do when you are so raw in the discipline of MMA. He is not a veteran with black belts and years of MMA fights to help him determine what he should and should not be doing for training and learning. So if he is actually learning and allowing people to lead him then it could prove big trouble for the HW division. If he is not, then Mir will beat him again and he will lose to Carwin, Gonzaga, Kongo, Nog etc in the division.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: May 15, 2009 at 09:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/champions.13533/

Reako said:
I think there are two key factors on whether Brock will continue as HW champ.
1 - Patience, He showed none during his first fight with Mir, he showed little with his fight with Hearing and he showed little with his fight with Randy. Brock has to slow himself down. If Randy was 250 instead of 220 he wins that fight. He showing that he is a better technical wrestler then Brock, but Brocks size allowed the takedowns. Mir is not 220, he will come in closer to 240 maybe 250. He is better at jitz then Randy and I think (though not sure) has a longer reach then Randy. His wrestling is not as good as Randy's though which could pose a problem for him.
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I don't see how Couture being at 250 saves him from getting clubbed to death. He could probably do that at 460 pounds. Couture was masterful in the clinch with Lesnar, but the speed and power of Lesnar eventually caught up with Randy standing. However, the clinch battle between the two of them, Lesnar's strength definitely helped him, but that alone would not have helped him. There is no one quite like Couture in the clinch, especially in the UFC. If it's in the clinch, Mir's going to have to try to drop and fight it on the ground, and while you don't think he showed patience, he did. He didn't take unnecessary risks against Couture or Herring because if he had forced the action, the experience factor could have gotten him in trouble.
2 - Whether he is learning. It is claimed that he is a purple belt in jitz. Judging from his 3 fights I call BS on that. Everytime Hearing wiggled he was dumbfounded and had to resort to pure size to hold Hearing down in their fight. He showed basically no jitz v Randy. He obviously showed no jitz v Mir. It has been rumored that he is "in charge" of his training. That is a risky thing to do when you are so raw in the discipline of MMA. He is not a veteran with black belts and years of MMA fights to help him determine what he should and should not be doing for training and learning. So if he is actually learning and allowing people to lead him then it could prove big trouble for the HW division. If he is not, then Mir will beat him again and he will lose to Carwin, Gonzaga, Kongo, Nog etc in the division.
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I'd love a source on the purple belt and "in charge" information. I know he's training with Comprido, but as far as I've ever heard, he's a good student for his trainers. He's a work in progress.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: May 15, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/champions.13533/

Roclawzi said:
Reako said:
I think there are two key factors on whether Brock will continue as HW champ.
1 - Patience, He showed none during his first fight with Mir, he showed little with his fight with Hearing and he showed little with his fight with Randy. Brock has to slow himself down. If Randy was 250 instead of 220 he wins that fight. He showing that he is a better technical wrestler then Brock, but Brocks size allowed the takedowns. Mir is not 220, he will come in closer to 240 maybe 250. He is better at jitz then Randy and I think (though not sure) has a longer reach then Randy. His wrestling is not as good as Randy's though which could pose a problem for him.
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I don't see how Couture being at 250 saves him from getting clubbed to death. He could probably do that at 460 pounds. Couture was masterful in the clinch with Lesnar, but the speed and power of Lesnar eventually caught up with Randy standing. However, the clinch battle between the two of them, Lesnar's strength definitely helped him, but that alone would not have helped him. There is no one quite like Couture in the clinch, especially in the UFC. If it's in the clinch, Mir's going to have to try to drop and fight it on the ground, and while you don't think he showed patience, he did. He didn't take unnecessary risks against Couture or Herring because if he had forced the action, the experience factor could have gotten him in trouble.
2 - Whether he is learning. It is claimed that he is a purple belt in jitz. Judging from his 3 fights I call BS on that. Everytime Hearing wiggled he was dumbfounded and had to resort to pure size to hold Hearing down in their fight. He showed basically no jitz v Randy. He obviously showed no jitz v Mir. It has been rumored that he is "in charge" of his training. That is a risky thing to do when you are so raw in the discipline of MMA. He is not a veteran with black belts and years of MMA fights to help him determine what he should and should not be doing for training and learning. So if he is actually learning and allowing people to lead him then it could prove big trouble for the HW division. If he is not, then Mir will beat him again and he will lose to Carwin, Gonzaga, Kongo, Nog etc in the division.
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I'd love a source on the purple belt and "in charge" information. I know he's training with Comprido, but as far as I've ever heard, he's a good student for his trainers. He's a work in progress.
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You cant replay the fight exactly as it went if Randy was an in shape 250. At 250 with his skills the odds are it becomes a VERY different fight.
http://urdirt.com/2009/01/03/hes-got-lunch-box-size-hands-joe-rogan-on-brock-lesnar/
The above is saying Brock is a BJJ purple belt in the article. It also says he has picked up BJJ "since" his fight with Mir, or atleast the way its worded eludes too that.
As far as the other part, I cant find a link but I know there were rumors out there that Brock was basically the boss in his training camp for his first fight against Mir.
As far as what his camp publically says...... can you find anywhere where a camp says their fighter is anything but spectacular specially approaching a fight? They are not the most unbiased sources of information on their fighter, and in Brocks case their Boss since they are hired help.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: IndianaWrestler
Date: May 16, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/champions.13533/

From theopenmat.com interview with Brock
How much time do you spend on training in different disciplines and how has your training regiment changed since wrestling at Minnesota?
BL: We keep things balanced in out training. We have striking days, grappling days etc… I try not to spend too much time on one discipline. My training has not changed that much. Each match there is a game plan, but it is a loose plan. Things can change in a hurry in the middle of the match and you have to be prepared for whatever comes your way. Also, I had to learn to stay patient and not let the pressure get to me. Often I keep score in my head. An example of that would be in the match with Randy, he cut me first. Once I was cut I knew I had to score and score fast to make a statement in the fight. Our game plan was to keep the pressure on him and put my size to use. I feel like we did that and the results showed it.
We hold two-week mini camps once a month where we focus on strength and conditioning. Then we hold the final camp eight weeks out from the event. For my first few fights we actually held a 14 week and a 12 week camp. I had a lot to learn. I feel that I am now at a point where I know my style and can focus more on fine tuning so the camps are a bit shorter.
Are there other details about your training you don’t mind sharing?
BL: Marty (Morgan) has been huge in cycling my camps and setting up my training schedule. Camps can get pretty stale and Marty does a great job of mixing things up and keeping it fresh.
Tell me about your “Team” those you have surrounded yourself with.
BL: My trainer is Greg Nelson and I owe him a lot of credit for my success. Marty Morgan is in charge of my camps and schedules as well as my strength and conditioning. Marty and I have a history, he knows my limits and I believe in his training system. As for partners, we rotate a lot of guys in and out such as Erik Paulson and a wide variety of other guys. Like I said, I know what I can do now so we can really focus on more of the details to sharpen my skills.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: May 16, 2009 at 09:03 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/champions.13533/

Thanks for the link. Everything I've seen says he's "near purple belt level" which could mean anything. My guess would be he's training a no-gi system and doesn't care about the belt, I expect Comprido would have to do a pretty extensive individual assessment and award a belt, which he may not want to do. Or if Lesnar is learning a MMA-focused version of BJJ, it's likely that he doesn't get to earn a belt. I don't take BJJ, so I don't know, but is it possible to focus entirely on no-gi BJJ and intentionally skip things that don't apply to MMA and still be considered a part of the traditional ranking system?