Chik Fil A fiasco

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Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 01, 2012 at 04:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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So I haven't seen anyone discussing the Chik Fil A donations fiasco. Just wondering what peoples thoughts are. On my Facebook feeds I've seen all sides argued, and from defense of first amendment rights to outcry against funding anti gay legislation, it all seems pretty heated. So do you think all the hate against Chik Fil A for their donations is unwarranted, and they are free to exercise their religious beliefs and donate wherever they want? or does Chik Fil A deserve the hate they are receiving for actively pursuing anti gay legislation, and is the actions of the mayors of major cities and LGBT communities across the US completely warranted? What's your opinion on the matter?
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 01, 2012 at 04:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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My personal opinion is that they can donate wherever they want, and can say whatever they want. They can't be upset that they are receiving this negative reaction though, because everyone has just as much right to boycott them for their bigotry. They deserve the hate that is coming their way, but I would pretty upset if the bans in major cities were to actually go through, because even bigots have rights.
 
Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: August 01, 2012 at 04:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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There is one thing I need to figure out before I weigh in on this:
Are they only contributing financially to U.S. based lobbying groups that are trying to prevent the gay rights movement within the U.S.?
OR...
Are they donating to foreign groups that literally kill gays as part of their agenda/M.O.?
I've heard stories that they are funding overseas groups that arm bigots to kill homosexuals. If that's the case, I understand the outrage as they are basically complict in murder. If all they are doing is supporting non-violent organizations that are lobbying against gay marriage, then I don't understand the outrage... lots of people do that and don't find themselves the targets of organized protests.
I haven't weighed in yet though because I have no idea if that is true. Crazy s--- has a way of getting posted on the internet. If it's true that these dollars are going to kill people for the crime of nothing more than being gay, they definitely deserve the outrage. If it's just lobbying? Come on, people donate money to all kinds of crazy lobbying groups... it's not killing anyone.
 
Originally posted by: whatupdoh
Date: August 01, 2012 at 05:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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Can someone show the source where this all stems from because I think a lot of people are forming opinions on their personal beliefs before even knowing what was actually said/done and in what context.
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 01, 2012 at 06:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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Without quoting my sources, I will say what little I know about it:
Chik Fil A makes charitable donations to many Christian groups, and some of which are avid supporters and even financial supporters of anti-gay organizations including organizations that fund lobbying of bills against same sex marriage. The main one is FRC, which lobbys regularly against any bill in support of gay rights. As far as I know, they don't give money to organizations over seas that actually murder gay people. The current anger from the LGBT community stems from comments made by CEO of Chik Fil A who was openly against homosexuality, which led people to dive deeper into their charitable donations. Chik Fil A hasn't been reported as denying employment or service to anyone based on sexual preference.
The only saving grace I see for Chik Fil A, and the reason I would still be willing to eat there, is that Chik Fil A is a chain, and they aren't all owned by the CEO, and there have been many letters sent out from Chik Fil A store owners speaking against the CEO.
 
Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: August 01, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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I would like to know who makes the decisions regarding Chick Fil A's charitable contributions: are they entirely within the discretion of the CEO? Is this evidence of the CEO's personal views or is it the Chick Fil A corporate view?
 
Originally posted by: justjustin
Date: August 01, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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The foods not even that good
 
Originally posted by: Brick
Date: August 01, 2012 at 08:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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RearNakedSlam said:
My personal opinion is that they can donate wherever they want, and can say whatever they want. They can't be upset that they are receiving this negative reaction though, because everyone has just as much right to boycott them for their bigotry. They deserve the hate that is coming their way, but I would pretty upset if the bans in major cities were to actually go through, because even bigots have rights.
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Actually, bigots don't have rights to enact their bigotry in most cases.
At first I was dead set against the governments in cities like New York and Boston somehow trying to interfere with Chik fil A doing business in their states. What business is it of the government? How is this their role? But the more I thought about it, the more I wasn't bothered by potenetial government action. Imagine if instead Chik fil A CEO made statement against interacial marriage as unnatural and against the bible, and donated to groups dedicated to banning blacks marrying whites. Certainly a city speaking up to keep the headquarters of such a company out of their city would not be questioned. To many people (more and more as time goes on), Chik fil A's position is the exact same type of bigotry.
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 01, 2012 at 08:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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Brick said:
RearNakedSlam said:
My personal opinion is that they can donate wherever they want, and can say whatever they want. They can't be upset that they are receiving this negative reaction though, because everyone has just as much right to boycott them for their bigotry. They deserve the hate that is coming their way, but I would pretty upset if the bans in major cities were to actually go through, because even bigots have rights.
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Actually, bigots don't have rights to enact their bigotry in most cases.
At first I was dead set against the governments in cities like New York and Boston somehow trying to interfere with Chik fil A doing business in their states. What business is it of the government? How is this their role? But the more I thought about it, the more I wasn't bothered by potenetial government action. Imagine if instead Chik fil A CEO made statement against interacial marriage as unnatural and against the bible, and donated to groups dedicated to banning blacks marrying whites. Certainly a city speaking up to keep the headquarters of such a company out of their city would not be questioned. To many people (more and more as time goes on), Chik fil A's position is the exact same type of bigotry.
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That's a scenario I've tried to use to explain the type of bigotry that's going on. It comes down to legality though, and while it's ok to try to pass laws to take away someone's rights, it's not ok to ban someone because of their religious beliefs. Nothing would make me happier than to see them fold due to lost customers, or at least relegated to the south. It's disappointing that this type of hate is still present, though not surprising at all.
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 01, 2012 at 08:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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whatsupdoh said:
Kinda like with Chick Fil a. They are free to share their opinion so whats the big deal? right?
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Exactly like that. CFA was free to share their opinion, and everyone is free to call them disgusting bigots.
Removed the context of the quote since it was from a locked thread.
 
Originally posted by: whatupdoh
Date: August 01, 2012 at 08:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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RearNakedSlam said:
whatsupdoh said:
Kinda like with Chick Fil a. They are free to share their opinion so whats the big deal? right?
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Exactly like that. CFA was free to share their opinion, and everyone is free to call them disgusting bigots.
Removed the context of the quote since it was from a locked thread.
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Yeah I love being the last post in a locked thread.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: August 01, 2012 at 09:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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i am kind of torn on this.......i like the idea of ANYONE sticking up for their beliefs..........hell even if they are wrong, as long as they are civil about it.
i am all for g.ay rights but chic fil a has the right to be against it
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 01, 2012 at 09:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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mabrown45 said:
i am kind of torn on this.......i like the idea of ANYONE sticking up for their beliefs..........hell even if they are wrong, as long as they are civil about it.
i am all for g.ay rights but chic fil a has the right to be against it
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Agreed. My sticking point that makes it a little more difficult is the fact that they are aiding in the funding of anti-gay legislature. Which really is because of my views on religion rather than CFA or this guys statement.
 
Originally posted by: madictionary
Date: August 01, 2012 at 09:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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The Salvation Army is also historically anti-gey. If you have a problem with these businesses, simply boycott them.
 
Originally posted by: Dan_C
Date: August 01, 2012 at 10:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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whatsupdoh said:
a lot of people are forming opinions on their personal beliefs before even knowing what was actually said/done and in what context.
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That's what Americans do best!
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 01, 2012 at 10:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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Puxin said:
I would like to know who makes the decisions regarding Chick Fil A's charitable contributions: are they entirely within the discretion of the CEO? Is this evidence of the CEO's personal views or is it the Chick Fil A corporate view?
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Sorry, missed your post. The donations are handled by him and his son. The view of the organization is that it is a Christian organization, but the views expressed were that of himself, expressed as biblical views, so you could stretch them to say they are those of the organization if you were so inclined.
 
Originally posted by: mmablaster
Date: August 01, 2012 at 10:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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The CEO has a right to be against gay marriage.
I think it is a stupid, bigoted and discriminatory stance to take. Gays should be allowed to get married. Stop beating the bible and realize certain people are just born a certain way. There are gays fighting in our military right now for our freedoms.
If certain rumors are true involving CFA supporting certain hate groups, then they may be crossing a line.
 
Originally posted by: Dan_C
Date: August 01, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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I support gay marriage and also the freedom of speech. It was extremely dumb of these guys to make their personal beliefs public and tie them to the business. They had nothing to gain by doing this. It's not a case of any publicity being good publicity or however that goes, the company lost millions of customers because of this. Not just gays and lesbians, but also the straight people who strongly support them.
 
Originally posted by: milemike
Date: August 02, 2012 at 12:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/chik-fil-a-fiasco.47835/
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Just a bunch of p---- liberals found something else to b---- about
 
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