Could the rise of a new Tyson take the steam out of MMA?

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Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: October 11, 2010 at 06:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

I've recently been catching a lot of Tyson fights. I was young when Tyson was in his prime. The closest I ever came to seeing Tyson fight was playing his video. Now as an adult, I can appreciate how special he was at the time. The level of violence that man could unleash in seconds was frightening. I'm frankly in awe of him watching those fights. It's no surprise that he became such a monster star.
Imagine if a new boxing HW with Tyson's brutal ko power and crazy personality rose again. Could some one like that revive boxing again? What effect would it have on MMA PPV sales? Brock sells PPVs but he's a wrestler. If he had Tyson ko, He would take the UFC to another level. Could a new Tyson take some steam away from MMA's growth?
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: October 11, 2010 at 07:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

No I dont think so. MMA and Boxing have their own demo's. Mayweather vs Anyone and Pacquiao vs Anyone still sell millions of PPV's and are in fact still setting records. If a new "Tyson" came around, I think it would help boxing, but wouldn't affect MMA PPV sales.
 
Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: October 11, 2010 at 07:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

wolf said:
No I dont think so. MMA and Boxing have their own demo's. Mayweather vs Anyone and Pacquiao vs Anyone still sell millions of PPV's and are in fact still setting records. If a new "Tyson" came around, I think it would help boxing, but wouldn't affect MMA PPV sales.
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Except, HWs are special. People love to pay for the big boys. There hasn't been a dominant American HW in forever. The right HW could get people really excited about boxing and take some dollars away from the UFC.
I'm talking about bringing in the "tourist" PPV dollars. The people that only order a boxing or MMA once or twice a year.
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: October 11, 2010 at 07:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Tyson was fed cans for his first 20 or so fights. thanks to the glory of the internet people won't allow that to happen anymore without questioning it.
Look at Lesnar, every win over good competition is picked apart. Fedor, every win over good competition is picked apart. Anderson Silva, every win over good competition is picked apart.
In boxing, the HW division is The Brothers, and then a bunch of filler fighters. they're mostly pretty bad. In order for a Tyson-esque fighter to come about these days, his competition would also have to be worthy of talking about as much as the Tyson fighter. We've seen what filler fighters who get fed puffballs until they're 39-0 do when they go up against real champs, they get dominated.
Boxing is to much gameplan these days as well. As much as a fighter might have the skills to ko most people in his path, i haven't seen any management company/coaches/handlers in boxing(recently) allow their fighters to get over anxious trying for knock outs. which, in itself, is what has also led to the major downfall of boxing.
 
Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: October 11, 2010 at 07:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Jak said:
Tyson was fed cans for his first 20 or so fights. thanks to the glory of the internet people won't allow that to happen anymore without questioning it.
Look at Lesnar, every win over good competition is picked apart. Fedor, every win over good competition is picked apart. Anderson Silva, every win over good competition is picked apart.
In boxing, the HW division is The Brothers, and then a bunch of filler fighters. they're mostly pretty bad. In order for a Tyson-esque fighter to come about these days, his competition would also have to be worthy of talking about as much as the Tyson fighter. We've seen what filler fighters who get fed puffballs until they're 39-0 do when they go up against real champs, they get dominated.
Boxing is to much gameplan these days as well. As much as a fighter might have the skills to ko most people in his path, i haven't seen any management company/coaches/handlers in boxing(recently) allow their fighters to get over anxious trying for knock outs. which, in itself, is what has also led to the major downfall of boxing.
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but mayweather has fought a bunch of cans a ducked top competition and the only good fighters he has fought have been past their prime and yet he still sells more than anybody........I think your argument is more for MMA than is for boxing
 
Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: October 11, 2010 at 07:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Interesting, I always thought the fall of boxing came about because too many fights are fixed(or atleast they used to be. I dont watch boxing anymore) by either the judges, the ref, the manager, or the fighters themselves and everyone knows/knew it. Cant speak on boxing nowadays but i remember what boxing used to be like and it got to be pathetic by the time I stopped watching!!!
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: October 11, 2010 at 07:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Yes, the rise of a New 'Tyson' could and wold take some steam out of MMA. That being said, it would only be ONE fighter so it wouldn't do a great deal of damage.
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: October 11, 2010 at 07:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Tyson is a once and a century fighter.
It is not like Mike Tyson's grow on tree's. If they did they would have tried to replace him long ago.
 
Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: October 11, 2010 at 08:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Jak said:
Tyson was fed cans for his first 20 or so fights
. thanks to the glory of the internet people won't allow that to happen anymore without questioning it.
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That's true of nearly every boxing champion. That's just the nature of their sport. They handpick opponents and carefully build their career until they can land that big money fight. Look at Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's 41-0 and hasnt fought ANYBODY.
MMA is a different breed. If you've managed to string together 10-12 straight wins in mma then you're fighting for a title. And with so many different ways to lose, it's remarkable that a guy like Fedor or Torres can win 20+ fights in a row. The other main difference is that fighters in mma are limited to the talent they face by the organization they fight for. In boxing promoters make no effort to hide that they are avoiding a certain fighter.
Despite the quality of fighters he's faced, Tyson is still a once in a lifetime fighter. Tysons biggest problem was himself. If he had stayed with Kevin Rooney i think he would have destroyed Buster & Holyfied. Based on talent alone, there was no better boxer besides Ali.
 
Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: October 11, 2010 at 08:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

I doubt it. Many fans of MMA are fans of MMA. They might also like boxing, but they won't turn their back on MMA. Also, many of the new MMA fans are coming from watching TUF. Those people probably don't watch boxing and wouldn't even know if a new Tyson appeared.
PS: This thread should have a poll.
 
Originally posted by: ModestMMA
Date: October 11, 2010 at 08:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Absolutely not! The only thing that can derail the UFC at this point is the death of Dana White and or the Fertitas within the next 5 or so years.
 
Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: October 11, 2010 at 08:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

ModestMMA said:
Absolutely not! The only thing that can derail the UFC at this point is the death of Dana White and or the Fertitas within the next 5 or so years.
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Even then, Skala will be there to continue their work.
 
Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: October 11, 2010 at 08:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Puxin said:
I doubt it. Many fans of MMA are fans of MMA. They might also like boxing, but they won't turn their back on MMA. Also, many of the new MMA fans are coming from watching TUF. Those people probably don't watch boxing and wouldn't even know if a new Tyson appeared.
PS: This thread should have a poll.
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I guess what people forget is that Tyson went beyond boxing and that's what i'm referring to. I'm talking about a fighter that generates "event" fights. Tyson's fights were. These type of fights attract the PPV "tourist" dollars from people that don't watch combat sports. It's the people that pushed De la Hoya/Mayweather to over 2.5 M PPV buys (I believe). UFC 100 is closest the UFC has come to that.
I thought about doing a poll but people's comments are a poll themselves.
 
Originally posted by: Kcobra99
Date: October 11, 2010 at 08:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

snakecharmerking said:
I've recently been catching a lot of Tyson fights. I was young when Tyson was in his prime. The closest I ever came to seeing Tyson fight was playing his video. Now as an adult, I can appreciate how special he was at the time. The level of violence that man could unleash in seconds was frightening. I'm frankly in awe of him watching those fights. It's no surprise that he became such a monster star.
Imagine if a new boxing HW with Tyson's brutal ko power and crazy personality rose again. Could some one like that revive boxing again? What effect would it have on MMA PPV sales? Brock sells PPVs but he's a wrestler. If he had Tyson ko, He would take the UFC to another level. Could a new Tyson take some steam away from MMA's growth?
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No, it couldn't.
MMA has a firm grip on the younger audiences and as the sport continues to grow, it will only continue too get larger. Most boxing fans(that I know) are usually older and don't follow MMA anyway. So it wouldn't effect MMA's ppv numbers.
Also, Brock is not a wrestler, he is a mixed martial artist. Wrestling is just his best skill. As long as he continues too finish fights the populace will not care about his wrestling.
Plus, if there was a new young HW boxing champ the first thing people would bring up is, "who would win in a fight between the HW Boxer and the MMA HW." That would only increase MMA's sales, and many people already believe mixed martial artist are better overall fighters anyway.
 
Originally posted by: Biggs
Date: October 11, 2010 at 08:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

Jak said:
Tyson was fed cans for his first 20 or so fights. thanks to the glory of the internet people won't allow that to happen anymore without questioning it.
Look at Lesnar, every win over good competition is picked apart. Fedor, every win over good competition is picked apart. Anderson Silva, every win over good competition is picked apart.
In boxing, the HW division is The Brothers, and then a bunch of filler fighters. they're mostly pretty bad. In order for a Tyson-esque fighter to come about these days, his competition would also have to be worthy of talking about as much as the Tyson fighter. We've seen what filler fighters who get fed puffballs until they're 39-0 do when they go up against real champs, they get dominated.
Boxing is to much gameplan these days as well. As much as a fighter might have the skills to ko most people in his path, i haven't seen any management company/coaches/handlers in boxing(recently) allow their fighters to get over anxious trying for knock outs. which, in itself, is what has also led to the major downfall of boxing.
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Whoa..whoa..whoa! Lets be fair. None of the big names wanted anything to do with Tyson. He was too big of a risk for an established fighter to take. If you watch his first title fight against Trevor Berbick, you will see that he was all that his camp claimed and more. In his prime, he demolished most of the top fighters of his generation. He crushed Frank Bruno, Bonecrusher Smith, Carl "The Truth" Williams, Larry Holmes, Tyrell Biggs, Michael Spinks, and Razor Ruddick. Not only did he beat them, but he made them all look like "cans." Give credit where credit is due.
In addition, boxing has been about gameplans for more than a hundred of years. Only the heaviest handed fighters found success with just "rushing in." The only boxer that I can think of that had a long successful career of "rushing in" is Mike Tyson.
Boxing has declined because of the amount of corruption that exists within it. Guys like Don King who practically "own" belts and get to hand pick who his "champions" will fight, have ruined the sport. You can tear off 28 impressive wins, but unless you're willing to get in bed with one of the crooked and powerful promoters, you'll never get the big shot. So instead, the promoters put on fights that will sell tickets (make money.) They're not interested in giving boxers a shot at what they worked for. They have the ability to select beatable "cans" and "has beens" for their fighters to compete against safely without the threat of losing their cash cow. Add that to the fact that most of the aged fighters have speech impediments and other trauma induced ailments, and you will get a declining sport.
Boxing has been up and down for years. MMA may do the same as time goes by, but it is definitely here to stay.
 
Originally posted by: BoxingWithOneGlove
Date: October 11, 2010 at 09:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

snakecharmerking said:
Puxin said:
I doubt it. Many fans of MMA are fans of MMA. They might also like boxing, but they won't turn their back on MMA. Also, many of the new MMA fans are coming from watching TUF. Those people probably don't watch boxing and wouldn't even know if a new Tyson appeared.
PS: This thread should have a poll.
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I guess what people forget is that Tyson went beyond boxing and that's what i'm referring to. I'm talking about a fighter that generates "event" fights. Tyson's fights were. These type of fights attract the PPV "tourist" dollars from people that don't watch combat sports. It's the people that pushed De la Hoya/Mayweather to over 2.5 M PPV buys (I believe). UFC 100 is closest the UFC has come to that.
I thought about doing a poll but people's comments are a poll themselves.
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Absolutely! To this ......" a fighter that generates "event" fights." I would add, " regardless of the level of his competition". Because, let's face it, even after Tyson had gone through his "can" phase, that every single boxer before him and after went through, he was still regularly facing guys who had no right being in the ring with him.... and selling a PPV to millions upon millions of homes!
If a champ in the UFC has what appears to be a "gimme" fight, all you hear is bitching and crying about how 'its a rip off and Im gonna stream it for free, no way Ill pay for that crap, etc..etc..."
So, yeah, Tyson was a one of a kind type of boxer and the same rules didn't seem to apply when his name was involved. If a guy like THAT comes along again, there is just no way in hell it could NOT affect MMA negatively! No, it wouldn't derail it or send all the orgs to bankruptcy, but the change would be noticeable, IMO.
 
Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: October 11, 2010 at 10:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

I think that many people cheer for someone who is "like them". The Klitz brothers are European, so they are poo-pooed by the American media. Another black Tyson may take some black dollars away from MMA. Same thing if there was a white boxer that was Tyson-esque. Many white people would pay to see the great white hope.
Other than that, Boxing, WWE, Nascar, NHL, and MLB are all dying as a result of the next generation's love for MMA. If something like the UFC existed when I was in grade school, I probably would have never been interested in those other sports in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: BoxingWithOneGlove
Date: October 11, 2010 at 10:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

cobra_punch said:
I think that many people cheer for someone who is "like them". The Klitz brothers are European, so they are poo-pooed by the American media. Another black Tyson may take some black dollars away from MMA. Same thing if there was a white boxer that was Tyson-esque. Many white people would pay to see the great white hope.
Other than that, Boxing, WWE, Nascar, NHL, and MLB are all dying as a result of the next generation's love for MMA. If something like the UFC existed when I was in grade school, I probably would have never been interested in those other sports in the first place.
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No offense but that's just soooo not true. It could be another yellow, green or blue Tyson, and I'm buying the PPV.
I live in the whitest state in the country and outside of my brother in law I can go days and days and the whole month of December and not see anything but white people... yet back in the day there'd be 6-20 of us watching boxing PPV's.... boxing PPV's featuring nothing but Blacks, Mexican's, Puerto Rican's and a half dozen other ican's... everything but The White Man.
And this scene was played out amongst nearly everyone I knew, because there'd be phone calls between us all during the fights, razzing whomever had been drunk enough to throw down some cake on whomever RJJ, Tyson or ODLH was fighting.
And needless to say, we were all always white.
 
Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: October 11, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

cobra_punch said:
I think that many people cheer for someone who is "like them". The Klitz brothers are European, so they are poo-pooed by the American media. Another black Tyson may take some black dollars away from MMA. Same thing if there was a white boxer that was Tyson-esque. Many white people would pay to see the great white hope.
Other than that, Boxing, WWE, Nascar, NHL, and MLB are all dying as a result of the next generation's love for MMA. If something like the UFC existed when I was in grade school, I probably would have never been interested in those other sports in the first place.
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The Klitz bros last fight ended in ko but it got no serious covarge on any of the major sports networks in the US. The fight ran on ESPN and I bet the ratings were not so hot. People just don't care about them and their fighting style. Nationalism plays a part of in it but the Klitz bros are just not that interesting to watch. Even when their fights end in ko.
 
Originally posted by: Vovchanchanator
Date: October 11, 2010 at 10:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/could-the-rise-of-a-new-tyson-take-the-steam-out-of-mma.31222/

I think the next Tyson so to speak, will be an mma fighter, not a boxer
 
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