Dana White lacks Respect

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EAJames
Date: September 27, 2010 at 04:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

I'm going to make this quick because Im on a mobile device, but I just read Dana Whites comments to ESPN, the biggest sports network in the world, bashing Frank Mir. Listen, I respect everything Dana White has done for this sport but this is the second time in less than a month that Dana White has highly insulted a professional athlete on his roster to the media no less. Worst of a, in both instances, he questioned both Frank Mir's and Kenny Florian's heart. These are two of his highest ranking fighters in their respective weight classes who have had a history of exciting fights. Yet Dana White finds it ok to throw their names through the mud to the media. What if you busted your *** at a job 24:7 and after one bad day your boss talks about you openly as if your trash? Simply disgraceful in my opinion...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: talkischeep
Date: September 27, 2010 at 05:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

+1 the fact that there is 50 cameras in danas face at all times never seems to bother him i wish he would say a lot less its becoming like wwe dana confuses financial power with physical power on a regular basis but directly insulting the people that work for you is an a--hole move i hope a small co can someday get some of that UFC pie and be good financial competition so fighters can have real choices in mma unlike now where you can not go far unless dana likes you---T I C BOB

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: September 27, 2010 at 06:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

EAJames said:
I'm going to make this quick because Im on a mobile device, but I just read Dana Whites comments to ESPN, the biggest sports network in the world, bashing Frank Mir. Listen, I respect everything Dana White has done for this sport but this is the second time in less than a month that Dana White has highly insulted a professional athlete on his roster to the media no less. Worst of a, in both instances, he questioned both Frank Mir's and Kenny Florian's heart. These are two of his highest ranking fighters in their respective weight classes who have had a history of exciting fights. Yet Dana White finds it ok to throw their names through the mud to the media. What if you busted your *** at a job 24:7 and after one bad day your boss talks about you openly as if your trash? Simply disgraceful in my opinion...
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To both of you.... Yeah Dana should watch he says but he takes 80% of the heat if a fight really sucks like the main event at UFC 119. Fighters not delivering or sucking actually hurts the UFC brand and it's ability to market future fights. How many bad main events will people put up before they stop ordering events? Bad fights hurt the UFC and that's why Dana has to blast the fighter to protect the brand. Besides, Kenny and Mir did suck. Dana saying otherwise would be bulls--- that nobody would be buying. Why should he lie to cover their shitty performance? He shouldn't. The UFC is the big league of MMA. Fighters should meet certain standards to prove that they belong in the big league. You suck in the NFL.... your *** gets replaced or benched. Why should the UFC be any different?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AlphaKilo615
Date: September 27, 2010 at 08:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

snakecharmerking said:
EAJames said:
I'm going to make this quick because Im on a mobile device, but I just read Dana Whites comments to ESPN, the biggest sports network in the world, bashing Frank Mir. Listen, I respect everything Dana White has done for this sport but this is the second time in less than a month that Dana White has highly insulted a professional athlete on his roster to the media no less. Worst of a, in both instances, he questioned both Frank Mir's and Kenny Florian's heart. These are two of his highest ranking fighters in their respective weight classes who have had a history of exciting fights. Yet Dana White finds it ok to throw their names through the mud to the media. What if you busted your *** at a job 24:7 and after one bad day your boss talks about you openly as if your trash? Simply disgraceful in my opinion...
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To both of you.... Yeah Dana should watch he says but he takes 80% of the heat if a fight really sucks like the main event at UFC 119. Fighters not delivering or sucking actually hurts the UFC brand and it's ability to market future fights. How many bad main events will people put up before they stop ordering events? Bad fights hurt the UFC and that's why Dana has to blast the fighter to protect the brand. Besides, Kenny and Mir did suck. Dana saying otherwise would be bulls**t that nobody would be buying. Why should he lie to cover their s***ty performance? He shouldn't. The UFC is the big league of MMA. Fighters should meet certain standards to prove that they belong in the big league. You suck in the NFL.... your *** gets replaced or benched. Why should the UFC be any different?
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So its ok to bash someone to protect your product? I don't think Dana gets a lot of the heat when fights suck. Even if he does, he should act professional at all times. He couldve said, tonight was a bad night and sorry if we couldnt deliver. UFC is a bit different, their president goes in public talking s--- about everyone he doesnt like, especially fighters. He can just say "He had a losing record and we had to let him go instead of throwing F bombs. Hell, UFC 119 shouldve been free, just because they brought back Sean Sherk and Matt Serra in the card doesnt make it an instant PPV IMO. Mir/CC couldve been a better fight. I still got respect for them to go out there and do the damn thing. You can back up Dana White all you want, hes just going to sit there and bash his own fighters just to make his organization look good. He just looks more like an a--hole to most people.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EAJames
Date: September 27, 2010 at 08:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

Well first off your NFL comparison is absurd. If Brett Farve has a terrible game the commissioner isn't going to bash him and certainly he wouldn't do so to the media. Secondly if he were to comment on such a player of performance I'm sure it would be something along the lines of Farve had a bad game but he's a great player and will bounce back. You don't insult people who are making you millions simply because they're performance, winning at that, wasn't up to your standards.
I understand the main event wasn't exciting, but if It was Brock Lesnar vs Cro Cop would Dana have made those comments? No. Also if the rest of the card was filled with big names putting on amazing fight would he have made those comments? No. It's just like UFC108, weak card with a terrible main event filled with boos, hear anything for Dana than? Yeah, he basically called fans idiots for not ordering because the undercard was so exciting. Same applies here. Weak card but it didn't deliver, do you get zero big names and not many thrilling fights. Dana left looking like a jackass and lashed out at Mir.
May I ask when the last time Mir put on a boring fight was? Likely 4 or 5 years ago following a severe motorcycle accident. Didn't Mir headline your biggest card to date in over 150 events? That's how you treat him? He has no heart? Really, for one bad performance? The gut f---ing one and finished with a KO yet he has no heart? He came back from a very severe accident and reclaimed YOUR heavyweight title for the 2nd time and be has no heart? What a f---ing *** backwards way of treating when one your long time stars.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CupcakeKatie
Date: September 27, 2010 at 08:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

On the one hand, Dana should be applauded for what he has done for the sport. The UFC is one of the hottest things around right now.
But he also quickly forgets who helped him get to where he is right now. Frank Mir has never backed out of a fight and has tons of heart. Kenny has done everything to toe the proverbial company line and also has tons of heart. Just because they have one less than stellar performance, Dana throws them under the bus. IMO that's not the way to treat people who have done everything that has been asked of them.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: September 27, 2010 at 09:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

:roll:
here we go...any chance to bash White I guess. Never has White backed down to speak his mind, and there was a time when it was refreshing as hell to not always hear the "politically correct" response to every goddamn question. Of course the NFL is a terrible comparison...all other sports are because it's the same rehearsed bulls--- reaction every single time a president/commissioner gets on the mic. And heaven forbid the athletes or coaches say anything that's not PC and they get suspended/fined/fired. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THE UFC IS SO POPULAR AROUND THE GLOBE!
This is why Dana is probably the best president in all of sports. If Frank Mir is going to cry about it, then Dana's response is absolutely correct. This is simply a technique to get his MAIN EVENT fighter motivated to back up what he says. Trust me, White loves Mir and everything he has done for the company in the past (and umm he was in the MAIN EVENT!), but lets face it, his latest showings against Lesnar/Carwin were less than spectacular. Then he comes in as a pretty heavy favorite over an aging Mirko and just diddly daddles around with him for a couple rounds. Yes he did pull out the finish which is great, but that's 3 questionable showings in a row! 119 was pretty weak from the get go as there were no title fights, and no fights that really even meant something in the title hunt. I mean other than the Dunham/Sherk fight...I'm not sure any of them meant anything. So not only is there no "drama" for the fights, then the fighters just don't perform that great (with the exception of 3 fights I'd say). If Mir/Mirko was a great fight then there would a lot of buzz and the card would likely have been thought of as successful, but as soon as that was also a dud.....well, this is the outcome and I have no problem with White calling out Mir or Mirko for that. It's up to Mir now to prove Dana is wrong, just like what White did with BJ and most recently Florian.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Ph1sh
Date: September 27, 2010 at 09:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

I don't think it is as black and white (no pun intended) as you make it sound EAJames. You have some great points. Some things to consider though, is that MMA is more entertainment than NFL, or any other major sports really. They get a schedule, play games, and most everything is equal. The game is the game. MMA is different, where a person matches the fighters up...there is a promotion for the event. There is more "selling" of the event. Dana white is not the same as an NFL Commissioner.....Dana is part of the "promotional" aspect. They use his personality as part of the selling. He can have an opinion, he can take interviews, and he gets asked questions about himself where as an NFL Commissioner-it would be inappropriate. So, although in a black and white look at things...yes, he is completely in the wrong, but if you look at the UFC and MMA as a whole then I see it as great and perfectly okay. The same guy who is bashing Mir and Kenny, is the guy sounding like both are some of the greatest fighters ever when the buildup shows are on. He will over praise a guy much more than he will bash them, or they wouldnt be in the UFC. He has a hand in making them rich, and get them famous, so he should be able to be honest when they do go out there and suck, or not push the fight out there. Frank looked terrible and not dangerous at all to me. I know he got that knee at the end, but he was falling away too and I think he was lucky to be honest.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EAJames
Date: September 27, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

Ph1sh said:
I don't think it is as black and white (no pun intended) as you make it sound EAJames. You have some great points. Some things to consider though, is that MMA is more entertainment than NFL, or any other major sports really. They get a schedule, play games, and most everything is equal. The game is the game. MMA is different, where a person matches the fighters up...there is a promotion for the event. There is more "selling" of the event. Dana white is not the same as an NFL Commissioner.....Dana is part of the "promotional" aspect. They use his personality as part of the selling. He can have an opinion, he can take interviews, and he gets asked questions about himself where as an NFL Commissioner-it would be inappropriate. So, although in a black and white look at things...yes, he is completely in the wrong, but if you look at the UFC and MMA as a whole then I see it as great and perfectly okay. The same guy who is bashing Mir and Kenny, is the guy sounding like both are some of the greatest fighters ever when the buildup shows are on. He will over praise a guy much more than he will bash them, or they wouldnt be in the UFC. He has a hand in making them rich, and get them famous, so he should be able to be honest when they do go out there and suck, or not push the fight out there. Frank looked terrible and not dangerous at all to me. I know he got that knee at the end, but he was falling away too and I think he was lucky to be honest.
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First off, I didn't make that NFL comparison, I was simply debunking it as it was a terrible analogy to make by a previous poster and I brought that to the forefront.
As for the meat and potatos of your post, I agree, Dana White is a character that is infact very uncoventional and he has used that to his advantage to futher his promotion. I have no issues whatsoever with that tactic, especially given it's success, but I cannot recall in recent memory when Dana has made such blatant attacks against his own employees.
READ THESE DANA WHITE QUOTES...
"I have no clue about Frank. To talk the stuff he does, and then fight like he fought, that's a little frustrating. Once "Cro Cop" stuffed his takedown attempt, his heart fell out on the floor. If Frank Mir can't bully you, his heart shrinks to the size of the Grinch's. If he can't take you down, his heart shrinks to the size of a pea."
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I mean honestly, you can express your displeasure towards a fighter's performance, I have no issues with that but questioning the man's heart is borderline cowardly in my opinion. The man fights for a living, he's taken beatings from Carwin and Lesnar and survived longer than most others in the world. The man broke his f---ing femur, tore all the ligaments in his knee, was lucky to even be alive and returned to once again recapture the heavyweight title. HE HAS NO HEART? What's wrong with that pictue?
Here's my beef. Could Dana have not just stated the obvious? Frank Mir had a very unexciting performance, I'm sorry the main event on a pretty lackluster card didn't deliver. Listen, the guy won the main event, took zero damage, and finished with a KO and Dana White is being quoted by the largest sports media outlet in the world bashing the guy as if he were a heartless, boring, nobody. That to me is an issue and I'm not even a Frank Mir fan. Respect means alot in this world and Frank Mir has made this company plenty of money which alone should have earned him enough for those words to have never left Dana's mouth.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MommysTACOcream
Date: September 28, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

Dana is a moron that just wants to be in the spotlight just as much as the fighters if not more. Ever since I seen how he spoken on the first season of TUF and how he feels the need to curse every other word made me think he's unintelligent. Anyone that supposed to be professional and can't communicate with people without sounding like a sailor is a moron. Yeah you can say that Dana is this great businessman and saved the UFC or whatever, but the UFC sells itself. All it needed was some exposure that TUF gave it so more people would be aware of it. Lets be honest here, has Dana White ever said anything that was gonna make you watch a fight that you weren't gonna watch already? I shouldn't even know who Dana White is as far as I'm concerned, that goon needs to just keep his *** in his office and quit trying to be one of the stars with the fighters.
If he wants people to put on great fights, he needs to start paying out more and make people feel like they have a little more job security. I think the job security aspect of it is the big problem. People are soo scared of losing and getting cut that they are going to try and place it safe as possible to win. Also if he ever wants MMA to be considered a sport and not just entertainment, then he needs to shut his mouth on how people get a win.In Mirs defense though, I will say I haven't seen Crocop involved in an exciting fight since joining the UFC. It was kinda crappy how Crocop got sub of the night with his weak RNC on Pat Berry when others had much better subs, but Mir has the only knockout and doesn't get knockout of the night? What's up with that?
Whatever happened to making it up to the fans about that Anderson Silva fight in Dubai?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AlphaKilo615
Date: September 28, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

MommysTACOcream said:
Whatever happened to making it up to the fans about that Anderson Silva fight in Dubai?
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You didnt get the ice cream sandwich in the mail from Dana???

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MommysTACOcream
Date: September 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

AlphaKilo615 said:
MommysTACOcream said:
Whatever happened to making it up to the fans about that Anderson Silva fight in Dubai?
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You didnt get the ice cream sandwich in the mail from Dana???
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No, I have a lazy fatass for a mailman. I bet he made love to it, then ate it.

 

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Originally posted by: MikeLowry
Date: September 28, 2010 at 09:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

@EAJames
You gotta look at it like this, have you seen that new Domino's pizza commerical where they have the peope mail pics of there pizza in? An the CEO shows a pic of this f---ed up pizza that was delivered to a customer an he says the guys name an says: "this will never happen again"? It's the same as what Dana does, standing behind his product. When you preach "my product is the best, my product is the best, my product is the best no matter what your product is, a fight, a food, music ect you gotta back it up an when your consumers are not happy you have to reassure them that this was just A bump in the road, but my product is still the best. I know it's not an exact parallel but that's just the beast that is business, it's never personal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOOv_UPHKwI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

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Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: September 29, 2010 at 10:13 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-lacks-respect.30769/

MikeLowry said:
@EAJames
You gotta look at it like this, have you seen that new Domino's pizza commerical where they have the peope mail pics of there pizza in? An the CEO shows a pic of this f**ked up pizza that was delivered to a customer an he says the guys name an says: "this will never happen again"? It's the same as what Dana does, standing behind his product. When you preach "my product is the best, my product is the best, my product is the best no matter what your product is, a fight, a food, music ect you gotta back it up an when your consumers are not happy you have to reassure them that this was just A bump in the road, but my product is still the best. I know it's not an exact parallel but that's just the beast that is business, it's never personal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOOv_UPHKwI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Mir was the f---ed up pizza in this case