Dana White: Machida vs Anderson could happen

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Originally posted by: D253
Date: May 27, 2009 at 08:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

"Trust me: This is the fight business. You know what you do in the fight business? You fight guys. You find out who's the best. I don't ever worry about guys saying they won't fight. Everybody [who should fight] will wind up fighting in the end."
- Dana White tells Yahoo! Sports' Kevin Iole that a possible match up between Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida, should both fighters end up 1-2 in the UFC's light heavyweight division, would be just a matter of time.
Iole reports that Silva, who walks around at 215 lbs., may be moving up permanently to light heavyweight (205 lbs.) from middleweight (185 lbs.) before long.
Ed Soares, who manages both fighters, has stated that the two good friends and occasional training partners would never fight one another and that it would take $100 million to get them in the cage. Silva and Machida have both echoed similar sentiments in the past as well with Silva going as far as conceding the light heavyweight belt to Machida, stating, "The light heavyweight belt belongs to (Machida). That is his division."
However, with challenges and challengers at middleweight dwindling, Silva may be forced to rethink that strategy. He's already agreed to face former champion and current top light heavyweight contender Forrest Griffin. A win would surely put Silva near the top of the divisions' title shot pecking order. And if Silva decides on a permanent move to the division, it won't be to hold down number one contender status. At that point, if the past is any indication, White will likely be able to swing something to make the fight happen.
All of this is moot, however, unless three things fall into place first:
1. Machida and Silva must stay undefeated through their next few fights. It won't be easy. Machida will face Quinton "Rampage" Jackson after the two battle it out as coaches on The Ultimate Fighter reality show next season. That should keep Machida tied up long enough for Silva to buzz through his next two fights, which include the aforementioned Griffin at UFC 101 and a showdown with the winner of a fight between current TUF 9 coaches Dan Henderson and Michael Bisping. Assuming he gets through those two fights, there are rumors of a possible match up with current welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre, provided St. Pierre can get past Thiago Alves in his next outing.
2. Silva must establish himself as the clear number 1 contender in the light heavyweight division. If Silva defeats Forrest Griffin at UFC 101, he'll likely need another win over a top contender in the division to cement himself as the clear number 1 contender. A win over Quinton Jackson, Rashad Evans or Mauricio Rua should do it.
3. Dana White must be able to deliver on his promise to get these two in a cage.
Given camp time and set fight dates, a fight between the two could go down early to mid 2010 if everything falls just right.
Link: http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Dana-White-confident-in-ability-to-pit-Anderson-Silva-vs-Lyoto-Machida.html"
 
Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: May 27, 2009 at 08:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

Dana White has a better chance of growing a full head of hair then he does of getting these two to fight.
 
Originally posted by: D253
Date: May 27, 2009 at 08:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

Thats what I first thought too.
Maybe its just wishful thinking, but I think he can make it happen.
I REALLY want to see this fight, I think it would be an incredible technical war!
This whole "we're friends" BS is starting to get played out..................
Even though I like Anderson more, I think Machida would take it (if/when it happens).
 
Originally posted by: TeeJeigh
Date: May 27, 2009 at 09:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

BigLEFT said:
Thats what I first thought too.
Maybe its just wishful thinking, but I think he can make it happen.
I REALLY want to see this fight, I think it would be an incredible technical war!
This whole "we're friends" BS is starting to get played out..................
Even though I like Anderson more, I think Machida would take it (if/when it happens).
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I don't have any numbers at hand, but I think Anderson will be taller and longer (reach) than Lyoto. That might be the deciding factor if this happens, given their styles.
 
Originally posted by: Project86
Date: May 27, 2009 at 09:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

Lyoto is 6'1 with a 74.5 in. reach
Silva is 6'2 with a 77.5 in. reach
yeah he has a little bit of a reach advantage
 
Originally posted by: D253
Date: May 27, 2009 at 09:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

I don't really know how much Anderson's reach advantage will impact the outcome..................
It seems like Lyoto is always in "kicking range" anyway (until he leaps in to punch).
I'm having a really hard time breaking this "potential" match up, down.
 
Originally posted by: PayaamElixir
Date: May 27, 2009 at 09:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

I guarantee this fight will not happen.
Anderson and Lyoto will never bend to Dana there better than that. If your that close friends you really should not fight. I dont care what the money is or the stakes, because if you make them fight your not gonna get the performance you think you will ge, promise.
 
Originally posted by: ronkiz21
Date: May 27, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

There's a good chance this can happen. If Lyoto fights like he just did then I don't see Rampage, Shogun, etc. beating him. I think Forrest has a chance of beating AS, but I bet Silva finishes Forrest and then I don't see Henderson/Bisping or GSP beating Silva.
 
Originally posted by: Big_Boy
Date: May 27, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

Interviewer:
Lyoto Machida is a friend of yours. Would you consider a fight with him?
Anderson Silva:
No.
http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/04/22/anderson-silva-defends-performance-wont-fight-for-light-heavyw/
Interviewer:
Would you fight him? (Anderson Silva)
Machida:
Anderson is a great fighter and a great athlete. I think he would do well against anyone in any weight class. He is my friend and we train together when possible, and for that reason
I would not fight Anderson.
http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/0523/412492/lyoto_machida/index.shtml
GIVE IT UP DANA!!
 
Originally posted by: Gordon
Date: May 27, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

NarlyPersianDude said:
I guarantee this fight will not happen.
Anderson and Lyoto will never bend to Dana there better than that. If your that close friends you really should not fight. I dont care what the money is or the stakes, because if you make them fight your not gonna get the performance you think you will ge, promise.
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I don't generally agree with you about anything but you are right on this man!
 
Originally posted by: Smasher170
Date: May 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

dtrain21 said:
There's a good chance this can happen. If Lyoto fights like he just did then I don't see Rampage, Shogun, etc. beating him. I think Forrest has a chance of beating AS, but I
bet Silva finishes Forrest and then I don't see Henderson/Bisping or GSP beating Silva
.
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You're right about that, if (and this is a BIG IF) Silva beats Forrest, IMO there is no MW (GSP included) that would be able to beat Silva. Silva VS Machida is just a dream though, cause it'll never happen. Shogun vs Silva would be an acceptable substitute
 
Originally posted by: mmafanatic
Date: May 27, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

Smasher170 said:
dtrain21 said:
There's a good chance this can happen. If Lyoto fights like he just did then I don't see Rampage, Shogun, etc. beating him. I think Forrest has a chance of beating AS, but I
bet Silva finishes Forrest and then I don't see Henderson/Bisping or GSP beating Silva
.
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You're right about that, if (and this is a BIG IF) Silva beats Forrest, IMO there is no MW (GSP included) that would be able to beat Silva. Silva VS Machida is just a dream though, cause it'll never happen. Shogun vs Silva would be an acceptable substitute
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There are plenty of fights for both of them at LHW alone. There's a much better chance we'd get to see Silva/Rampage and Silva/Evans before this. In that amount of time, we'd be well into Silva's NEXT contract, if he even signed one.
 
Originally posted by: D253
Date: May 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

I kinda doubt this fight will happen, as well.
But I also think this fight has a greater chance of happening than a UFC fighter vs Fedor match (in the UFC, of course), though.............
If this match did end up going down (fingers crossed), who would you guys take?
 
Originally posted by: dleys
Date: May 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

Gnarcore said:
Dana White has a better chance of growing a full head of hair then he does of getting these two to fight.
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:lol:
 
Originally posted by: mma888avenger
Date: May 28, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

If and when Anderson walks through Griffen, and another top ranked LHW (Rampage, Evans, Shogun, Jon Jones
), we would then have to agree to Dana's argument. Seriously, Dana and the UFC can't afford to sacrifice all their potential cash cows to these two and have them expose all the top ranked fighters and made to look like nothing more than average or even sub-par. A. Silva and Machida can literally walk through and devastated the LHW and MW division and leave the ranking system in chaos and confusion.
This fight will happen but it definitely won't come cheap and the end result may be nothing more than a sparring session. I guess maybe this was the scenario UFC was trying to avoid (by holding out on Machida's title shot) because this will be a lose, lose situation for UFC. The worst thing for Dana and the UFC is that in this dilemma, their wiseguy/bully negotiation approach may work against them because they can't risk to lose any of their #1 and #2 P4P fighters to another organization...I am really liking how all this drama is going to play out :lol: It's about time someone puts Dana in the hot seat for once.
P.S. KING KONG's got nothing on A. Silva's MMA stand up game, but Machida's size and strength will give him a huge advantage once the fight goes to the ground and I do see Machida as having the superior BJJ game.
 
Originally posted by: NYR30AILD
Date: May 28, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

I really hate how badly Silva is messing up 2 different divisions. Guys like Marquardt and Maia are getting screwed at MW
 
Originally posted by: EdoKaz818
Date: May 28, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

Like Dana said this is a buisness he doesn't care for friendship. So that explains a lot about him. not wanting to let Chuck fight must be all buisness to. Its a sport that isnt only about trying to kill your other opponent but also about respect, honor and loyalty. so IMO I think its ok for them not to fight each other.
 
Originally posted by: mma888avenger
Date: May 28, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

NYR30AILD said:
I really hate how badly Silva is messing up 2 different divisions. Guys like Marquardt and Maia are getting screwed at MW
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How is Silva messing up 2 divisions? he has consistantly defended the MW title and has only fought in LHW once before and has never held up the MW belt like in some other divisions. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your logic :?:
 
Originally posted by: mma888avenger
Date: May 28, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

EdoKaz818 said:
Like Dana said this is a buisness he doesn't care for friendship. So that explains a lot about him. not wanting to let Chuck fight must be all buisness to. Its a sport that isnt only about trying to kill your other opponent but also about respect, honor and loyalty. so IMO I think its ok for them not to fight each other.
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I hope that Machida and A. Silva have a lot of money put away, only then can they really stick it to Dana and get the most out of the negotiations and make the UFC squirm.
 
Originally posted by: BigDaddyKane
Date: May 28, 2009 at 12:57 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dana-white-machida-vs-anderson-could-happen.13908/

This is an empty promise to the fans but a powerful threat directed primarily towards Anderson and also Lyoto.
Dana is no longer happy with AS, I think that's quite evident by his comments after the Leites fight. I honestly don't think he's thrilled with having Lyoto as champ at LHW even though Lyoto has gone out of his way to learn English and endear himself to the fans. He'd rather have Rampage as the LHW champ because Ramp is very popular. As for a better champ at MW well Dana's kinda stuck because the fans have taken a shine to AS and there's no one in the MW class with enough personality (ala Rampage) to replace him with.
The friendship between AS and Lyoto poses a big problem for Dana. We all know AS wants some freedom so he can pursue his wish to fight Roy Jones Jr. I honestly believe that AS has been going out of his way to put on unusually mediocre performances as a means of showing his disdain for not being allowed to fight RJJ. If Lyoto, AS's great friend, decides to follow suit, it could spell disaster from a PPV standpoint. Having 2 of the 4 UFC champs putting on weak performances would cost the UFC millions.
So Dana says he will pit AS and Lyoto against each other. If they refuse, he can terminate them and reopen the door to Rampage and Franklin. Things will be more or less the same as they were before AS and Lyoto came on the scene.
Now all this could blow up in Dana's face because of the lack of the yellow card in the UFC. The two could purposely fight each other to a draw and leave Dana with egg on his face and an arena full of booing fans.
This could get veeery interesting.
 
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