defence
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If they are locked and already in side control you have problem. But try putting your hands in front of you in gable grip, and put your clasped hands between your head and theirs. That helps pry open a bit of space and may relieve some pressure. But again, if you are already in the spot you've described, they've basically completed the hold.
Yeah, if you let them get locked in you're in a for a game of patience. If you're able to anticipate the move you can try the "answer the phone" defence, where you place the hand of the trapped arm on your ear to create space, or alternately, if you're fast enough, you can reach the trapped arm and grab your opposite leg. Anything to open the space between shoulder and neck.
clockwerk said:
You have to hulk up. Once you get it back standing, let them punch you a couple of times but shrug it off and shake your finger at them, them bodyslam them and hit them with a leg drop. Done and done.
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This seems pretty flawless.
But if they're already in side control, the hold is done. If they're in side control on the opposite side, just prevent them passing as much as possible.
Bucho said:
Yeah, if you let them get locked in you're in a for a game of patience. If you're able to anticipate the move you can try the "answer the phone" defence, where you place the hand of the trapped arm on your ear to create space, or alternately, if you're fast enough, you can reach the trapped arm and grab your opposite leg. Anything to open the space between shoulder and neck.
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There was an example of a successful "answer the phone" defence at UFC 141 but I can't remember which fight. Think it might have been Nam Phan defending against Jimy Hettes but don't quote me, it was mostly a blur apart from the last two fights so I need to watch the early fights again.
0r3o said:
Idiots man. Kid is asking a great question and you make fun of it. Check out youtube ... there are a few different ways
here are a few
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfiXYZc4Es
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMUSV1ya8-U
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thanks alot mate noice to see this forum isnt full of d**k heads
Note that in that second vid the opponent isn't applying the arm triangle correctly because he's up on his knees instead of with his hips on the mat.
Bucho said:
Bucho said:
Yeah, if you let them get locked in you're in a for a game of patience. If you're able to anticipate the move you can try the "answer the phone" defence, where you place the hand of the trapped arm on your ear to create space, or alternately, if you're fast enough, you can reach the trapped arm and grab your opposite leg. Anything to open the space between shoulder and neck.
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There was an example of a successful "answer the phone" defence at UFC 141 but I can't remember which fight. Think it might have been Nam Phan defending against Jimy Hettes but don't quote me, it was mostly a blur apart from the last two fights so I need to watch the early fights again.
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It was Phan vs Hettes.
Also check out the Gracie Breakdown of 136 because that was when Chael subbed Stann with it and the boys go over some defences.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/SLzEnpOJeec[/youtube]
0r3o said:
Idiots man. Kid is asking a great question and you make fun of it. Check out youtube ... there are a few different ways
here are a few
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfiXYZc4Es
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMUSV1ya8-U
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Hey thanks there chucklenuts. I've given more good advice in this forum than you have total posts. Pardon me for having a little fun every now and then.
clockwerk said:
0r3o said:
Idiots man. Kid is asking a great question and you make fun of it. Check out youtube ... there are a few different ways
here are a few
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfiXYZc4Es
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMUSV1ya8-U
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Hey thanks there chucklenuts. I've given more good advice in this forum than you have total posts. Pardon me for having a little fun every now and then.
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sorry pal i wasnt beening funny with you what i ment was that its nice to see somebody giving good advice and been helpful instead of some of the d**ks that are on this forum. :!:
I like the advice of 'Brick'.......
Actually, I am associated with California Karate Academy, Which is one of the country's oldest Karate Schools. It is conveniently located in the Cupertino, Saratoga and West San Jose area. It has been offering effective self-defense programs courses to men, women, teenagers, and children for over 50 years.
Depending on the particular style of triangle they are going for, up on the knees is also effective, but they have to get their head fully forward and down. If you watch Lesnar/Carwin you will see that Carwin is fine until Lesnar starts putting his head towards the mat, outside of that it was pretty bad as far as pure technique, but works when you are huge and strong.
Keep in mind there is a difference between defending and escaping. Answering the phone is defending until your opponent abandons the hold.
One escape that can work - Take your trapped arm and make a fist, try to place your elbow against the back of their head/neck. Use your other arm placed on the fist to drive them away form you. This will give you the leverage to create space and break their hold. Keep in mind that if the have their head down and forward on the ground you may not be able to get position for it to work, but if they are a bit sloppy it should drive them off of you
madictionary said:
What should one do if he ever finds himself in the Muay Thai Plum?
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Punch across your body as hard as you can. This will break their grip, or their arm.
In a MMA situation, go for the underhooks to body lock driving into them then Step one foot between their legs and pivot and try to hop to side control.
bulletproof23 said:
whats best way to defend a arm triangle if the guy on top is locked in and in side control :?:
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Put your hand to your ear like you are answering the telephone, this will buy you some time, then you can create space by pushing your elbow away from yourself and turning into them at the same time, then you might be able to sneak your arm around his head.
Another option is to roll up onto your shoulders bringing your legs with you, reach behind your knee(on the arm triangle side), make an S or gable grip and pull yourself back up, this will create enough space to break the grip.
It can be hard to get a perfect blood choke from an Arm triangle so don't worry too much unless you are feeling a real strong blood choke, if it starts to hurt your neck, tap and tell your partner that it wasn't a blood choke, this will help them to learn from the situation too, go back into the arm triangle and get him to work on getting the blood choke and it will give you time to work on your escapes. If you have to squeeze real hard with a choke then you simply don't have it sunk in correct.