Do you believe all the top fighters cheat?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Contender
Date: June 28, 2011 at 03:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

I have this theory that most (not all) cheaters (and by cheaters I mean all PED's, including HRT's and testosterone) have an inferiority complex and seek to compensate by cheating. This theory somewhat requires that most (again, not all) cheaters are NOT the best at what they do, otherwise they wouldn't cheat.
I believe, for instance, that GSP, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo, Cain Velasquez, Jon Jones and Frankie Edgar don't cheat. But what do you believe? Do you think the top fighters in each division cheat?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Knippz
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

Contender said:
I have this theory that most (not all) cheaters (and by cheaters I mean all PED's, including HRT's and testosterone) have an inferiority complex and seek to compensate by cheating. This theory somewhat requires that most (again, not all) cheaters are NOT the best at what they do, otherwise they wouldn't cheat.
I believe, for instance, that GSP, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo, Cain Velasquez, Jon Jones and Frankie Edgar don't cheat. But what do you believe? Do you think the top fighters in each division cheat?
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This is a great question/thread.
I'm kinda iffy on the whole situation. To me it seems like camps and fighters to a great job of keeping their mouths shut about steroid usage. I think the UFC/Dana try very hard to keep it under wraps, as well as other promotions. I think promoters are most often more concerned about their fighters passing the procedures and making the fight, rather than the morality of cheating by using PED's.
Part of me think that Dana fired Nate because Nate probably promised Dana he would make weight and pass the meds. I'm sure Dana was furious when he failed the meds. Anytime someone tests positive, it's bad for the sport. I'd imagine Dana would like to avoid his fighters ever being caught, for the reputation of the sport and UFC brand.
But I'm not very liberal, and I don't buy into conspiracy theories ever, so I'm skeptical about that theory.
Part of me thinks that these guys roided up because they had very tough fights, and felt they'd lose if they didn't have an advantage going in.
Who knows?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: fishfryer
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

Some guys are talented, genetic, athletic freaks. GSP JJ, aldo... Other guys are just talented and athletic, Edgar, Fedor, Chuck, BJ. Then you have everyone else. Everyone else is suspect.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: nvrtap
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

Contender said:
I have this theory that most (not all) cheaters (and by cheaters I mean all PED's, including HRT's and testosterone) have an inferiority complex and seek to compensate by cheating. This theory somewhat requires that most (again, not all) cheaters are NOT the best at what they do, otherwise they wouldn't cheat.
I believe, for instance, that GSP, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo, Cain Velasquez, Jon Jones and Frankie Edgar don't cheat. But what do you believe? Do you think the top fighters in each division cheat?
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Depends on what you mean by "cheat". The Commissions allow a certain level of excess testosterone ratios (as do most professional leagues and even the Tour de France). So is the guy that enhances and takes peds right up to the allowable limits, then "cheating"? If you answer "yes" then at least half on your list are "cheating" as are most professional athletes.
Btw, HGH is not detectable via urine samples, so many use that route as well.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

its only cheating if the ref
finds
the grease on your ankles,or you test dirty!
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

Contender said:
I believe, for instance, that GSP, Anderson Silva, ...don't cheat
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There is video evidence of GSP's corner applying vaseline and video evidence in two fights of Anderson Silva taking the Vaseline off his face and rubbing it on his body. If you consider that cheating...... (and please GSP nation spare me the grease-gate arguments.)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

fishfryer said:
Some guys are talented, genetic, athletic freaks. GSP JJ, aldo... Other guys are just talented and athletic, Edgar, Fedor, Chuck, BJ. Then you have everyone else. Everyone else is suspect.
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bj penn is more of a freak athlete than almost anyone in the history of mma.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

I have been told by so many guys in the know(run MMA camps, hold shows in a certain part of the world that the fighter is from, manage other fighters etc) that one UFC champ was on PEDs all through his first 5 fights and nothing was said.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GrizzlyChadams
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

darcebandit said:
I have been told by so many guys in the know(run MMA camps, hold shows in a certain part of the world that the fighter is from, manage other fighters etc) that one UFC champ was on PEDs all through his first 5 fights and nothing was said.
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So either man up and mention a name or keep your mouth shut. This is complete BS

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: June 28, 2011 at 04:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

GrizzlyChadams said:
darcebandit said:
I have been told by so many guys in the know(run MMA camps, hold shows in a certain part of the world that the fighter is from, manage other fighters etc) that one UFC champ was on PEDs all through his first 5 fights and nothing was said.
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So either man up and mention a name or keep your mouth shut. This is complete BS
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its fighter bashing, i can't say it i will pm you though

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anotherusername
Date: June 28, 2011 at 05:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

http://www.blackhousemma.com/news/lyoto-machida-eyes-growth-and-evolution-of-academy-and-mma.html
Here is what Lyoto Machida had to say about it in October of 2010:
“I support blood testing,” Machida said. “Right now, those fighters not doing PEDs may lose; the other guy may be stronger and faster, but he’s not ‘natural.’ It’s something one has to live with since
most fighters are users
.
“(As I see it), unless proven otherwise, everyone has used PEDs. Either everyone gets blood tests, or everyone should be allowed to use them – the way it used to be in Japan.”
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Knippz
Date: June 28, 2011 at 05:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

darcebandit said:
GrizzlyChadams said:
darcebandit said:
I have been told by so many guys in the know(run MMA camps, hold shows in a certain part of the world that the fighter is from, manage other fighters etc) that one UFC champ was on PEDs all through his first 5 fights and nothing was said.
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So either man up and mention a name or keep your mouth shut. This is complete BS
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its fighter bashing, i can't say it i will pm you though
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PM it to me too please, because I'd love to hear this.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: June 28, 2011 at 06:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

Knippz said:
PM it to me too please, because I'd love to hear this.
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Add me on this list. This should be fun.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: June 28, 2011 at 06:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

darcebandit said:
GrizzlyChadams said:
darcebandit said:
I have been told by so many guys in the know(run MMA camps, hold shows in a certain part of the world that the fighter is from, manage other fighters etc) that one UFC champ was on PEDs all through his first 5 fights and nothing was said.
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So either man up and mention a name or keep your mouth shut. This is complete BS
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its fighter bashing, i can't say it i will pm you though
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Its not bashing if it is true.
Sounds like the rumor is just that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hedkix
Date: June 28, 2011 at 07:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

abc0331 said:
Contender said:
I believe, for instance, that GSP, Anderson Silva, ...don't cheat
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There is video evidence of GSP's corner applying vaseline and video evidence in two fights of Anderson Silva taking the Vaseline off his face and rubbing it on his body. If you consider that cheating...... (and please GSP nation spare me the grease-gate arguments.)
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Then quit bringing it up, dumbass.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hedkix
Date: June 28, 2011 at 07:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
fishfryer said:
Some guys are talented, genetic, athletic freaks. GSP JJ, aldo... Other guys are just talented and athletic, Edgar, Fedor, Chuck, BJ. Then you have everyone else. Everyone else is suspect.
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bj penn is more of a freak athlete than almost anyone in the history of mma.
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Nah, he is freakishly flexible and good at BJJ, but if he was a freak athlete, he wouldn't gas in every fight he has ever had. When's the last time you saw GSP gas?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Matt_Posi
Date: June 28, 2011 at 08:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

depends on what u consider cheating, Ive rolled and worked out with a good amunt of guys alot take various suplements such as creatine would u consider that cheating?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: June 28, 2011 at 08:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

Contender said:
I have this theory that most (not all) cheaters (and by cheaters I mean all PED's, including HRT's and testosterone) have an inferiority complex and seek to compensate by cheating. This theory somewhat requires that most (again, not all) cheaters are NOT the best at what they do, otherwise they wouldn't cheat.
I believe, for instance, that GSP, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo, Cain Velasquez, Jon Jones and Frankie Edgar don't cheat. But what do you believe? Do you think the top fighters in each division cheat?
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Why do you believe that the best fighters do not cheat? Players in all sports(including all-star and mvp's) have been busted for steroids. Why would mma be in any different? I don't think all fighters do steroids, I think that is a bit silly, but I'd be highly surprised if a decent percentage of fighters havn't at least tried them. In combat sports like boxing and mma, it's quite easy to use steroids and get away with it. Your fights are 3-4 months out and you know exactly when you are fighting. The testing is generally weak as well.So, ask yourself, why wouldn't some of the biggest fighters do steroids? Because they have too much to lose? I don't think so. I'd like to imagine that all the stars are clean, but that may not be realistic. If anything, you'd think that champions are elite level fighters would be more inclined to want to try steroids, so they can have that added edge of staying on top for years to come.
Just my opinion.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hedkix
Date: June 28, 2011 at 08:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

coreymb said:
Contender said:
I have this theory that most (not all) cheaters (and by cheaters I mean all PED's, including HRT's and testosterone) have an inferiority complex and seek to compensate by cheating. This theory somewhat requires that most (again, not all) cheaters are NOT the best at what they do, otherwise they wouldn't cheat.
I believe, for instance, that GSP, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo, Cain Velasquez, Jon Jones and Frankie Edgar don't cheat. But what do you believe? Do you think the top fighters in each division cheat?
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Why do you believe that the best fighters do not cheat? Players in all sports(including all-star and mvp's) have been busted for steroids. Why would mma be in any different? I don't think all fighters do steroids, I think that is a bit silly, but I'd be highly surprised if a decent percentage of fighters havn't at least tried them. In combat sports like boxing and mma, it's quite easy to use steroids and get away with it. Your fights are 3-4 months out and you know exactly when you are fighting. The testing is generally weak as well.So, ask yourself, why wouldn't some of the biggest fighters do steroids? Because they have too much to lose? I don't think so. I'd like to imagine that all the stars are clean, but that may not be realistic. If anything, you'd think that champions are elite level fighters would be more inclined to want to try steroids, so they can have that added edge of staying on top for years to come.
Just my opinion.
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By that logic, most fighters probably do cocaine. It's easy to get, they can afford it, and it only stays in your system for 3 days. Plus, players in all sports have been busted for cocaine.... Not trying to be a d-bag, by the way, just pointing out that the logic you used proves nothing, and doesn't even SUGGEST much of anything. Just because they could, and might get away with it, and other athletes have been busted for it... I respect your right to your opinion, I just don't share it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: June 28, 2011 at 08:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-believe-all-the-top-fighters-cheat.40010/

yes and most of them already got caught for cheating... emo...