I just watched a Bellator 82 match between Chad Coon and Shawn Bunch and yet again I was shaking my head as with just over one-minute to go, Coon is down two rounds already and was already losing the third and he's not doing a thing to win the fight. This kind of thing seems to happen quite often where I can't help but think, "Why aren't you doing everything possible to win?"
So it occurred to me that he just gave up and was simply letting the clock run out to get out of the ring. Do you think this is what happens or is there something else going on where a fighter is clearly losing and has time or opportunity to turn it around but does nothing to try and win?
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet Date: December 02, 2012 at 05:18 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-think-fighters-give-up.49609/
I find that one of the most frustrating things..........guy down 2 rounds and keeps doing exactly what he did to lose those rounds in the 3rd.
might as well take a risk since you are gonna lose anyways IMO
Guida gave up before the Maynard fight started.
Belfort use to do it in Pride. He did against Sakuraba.
Rampage has done it a couple times.
Depends on the styles and depends on how the fight is going. I think some peoples main reason for doing it is because they are basically being stale-mated and have nothing to offer against the better athlete/fighter. So they play it safe just to protect themselves.
In rare cases do you see someones will become broken. I think the Erick Silva Vs Prado was it? It looked like he gave up before the fight started.
I think Brock Lesnar gave up before the Overeem fight started.
Tito did it with Chuck
I could keep going, but just cant remember any right now..... Styles make fights, and sometimes s--- just happens.
Originally posted by: TurdFurguson Date: December 02, 2012 at 08:31 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-think-fighters-give-up.49609/
Have you ever watched Valentijn Overeem? 32-30 and only 3 of his 62 fights made it to the second round. He sub'd Randy Couture and Babalu back in the day. I have watchied his fights in Pride and Strikeforce and I know he had decent submissions(not really great with bjj defence) and heavy hands with skillful stand up but when it goes to the ground and his sub doesn't work he will take a few punches and roll over and tap. I was really pulling for him after his sick neck crank over Ray Sefo but I guess you really can't teach heart.
"On 25 February, Valentijn won his fight against Polish kickboxer and mixed maritial artist Marcin Różalski at KSW 18 in Płock, Poland. He replaced injured Jerome Le Banner and took the fight on 2 days notice. Valentijn won by submission (toe hold) in the first round"
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet Date: December 02, 2012 at 09:48 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-think-fighters-give-up.49609/
Originally posted by: madictionary Date: December 03, 2012 at 12:15 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-think-fighters-give-up.49609/
mabrown45 said:
pretty much most of GSP's opponents.......after like the second or third round and sometimes sooner they just go into survival mode.
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Yup. Before the Condit fight GSP said on Junkie Radio that there was only one opponent he felt like he hadn't been able to "break". Only one man GSP had beaten that the champ had felt never gave up and fought hard until the final bell.
That man's name is Jon Fitch.
madictionary said:
Also, some fighters give up when they are paid to lose buy mafia high-rollers.
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Maybe in boxing or old Pride FC, haven't seen anyone take any dives in the UFC yet.
Originally posted by: C-Me-No-More Date: December 03, 2012 at 12:55 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-think-fighters-give-up.49609/
TurdFurguson said:
i think, i said I THINK, doesn't mean it's true. But i think the majority of the time when a fighters gives up his back, he is giving up to a choke.
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Rua and Fitch say hello.
Actually, your kinda right. But I've seen these 2 consistently give up their back in order to escape a bad position.
Originally posted by: TurdFurguson Date: December 03, 2012 at 06:05 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/do-you-think-fighters-give-up.49609/
Thak27 said:
Rua and Fitch say hello.
Actually, your kinda right. But I've seen these 2 consistently give up their back in order to escape a bad position.
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yes of course i agree. My statement doesn't apply to every fighter
Contender said:
I just watched a Bellator 82 match between Chad Coon and Shawn Bunch and yet again I was shaking my head as with just over one-minute to go, Coon is down two rounds already and was already losing the third and he's not doing a thing to win the fight. This kind of thing seems to happen quite often where I can't help but think, "Why aren't you doing everything possible to win?"
So it occurred to me that he just gave up and was simply letting the clock run out to get out of the ring. Do you think this is what happens or is there something else going on where a fighter is clearly losing and has time or opportunity to turn it around but does nothing to try and win?
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That's what I feel happened to Gerald Harris after 2 rounds against Maiquel Falcão.
I think it's a lot harder than "just do anything it takes to win".
That's a pretty simplistic view, imo.
It's not easy to leave yourself vulnerable to a clearly superior fighter, especially when you've already been hurt or beat up.
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Like, the Fertita's?
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Exactly.... don't think the UFC isn't fixed. I'm sure guys take dives here and there.
Not a dive... but I have a hunch for the Bonnar/Silva fight that took place recently. Silva basically toyed with him for 4 minutes and then destroyed him in under 10 secs when he went into Street Fighter 2 Turbo Boss Mode. Call it a conspiracy, but my guess is Silva was making some betters some coin by allowing Bonnar to stay alive for the first 4 minutes. I don't recall the exact time but I definitely get the hunch Silva was stalling.
Maybe there was a bet in Vegas or Brazil that Bonnar wouldn't make it out the first 3 minutes... hmm. Maybe even a parlay bet... Silva wins, last minute of first round.
