Does it Happen? Who wins? Werdum vs Jones
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Let's have Werdum defend at least once... And JJ get down with his s---...
Why are people so quick to start super fight talks... Pettis v Aldo, JJ vs HW Champ. Let's have the champs show they are champs first. Aldo going up would be big becuase of what he has done at FW, win or lose against Conor. MM should be in the talk too... Anyone else is just pointless, let them defend some. JJ at HW will happen, but he is nothing right now but a defendant.
Sapper said:
Let's have Werdum defend at least once... And JJ get down with his s---...
Why are people so quick to start super fight talks... Pettis v Aldo, JJ vs HW Champ. Let's have the champs show they are champs first. Aldo going up would be big becuase of what he has done at FW, win or lose against Conor. MM should be in the talk too... Anyone else is just pointless, let them defend some. JJ at HW will happen, but he is nothing right now but a defendant.
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Blame the media
Yea to much talk be it media or not about werdum. Has some good wins but you could also argue those wins. I mean was Fedor in his prime? Did Werdum get schooled by Fedor in the standup? Was Cain coming off a career long layoff? Werdum is talented no doubt and I really want to see a rematch with him against Arlovski and JDS. But for now at least let the guy defend his title a couple times. IMO a super fight is 2 dominate champs that have cleaned house and one is willing to move up or drop down to meet the other. Silva vs GSP would have been a super fight or Silva vs Jones. Even GSP vs Weidman since GSP left on top and of course if Weidman continues to run through the mw division.
I'll take Jones but it'd be an extremely tough fight just because of the size discrepancy. I don't mean height-wise either. Just mass-wise. I realize that to reach HW, Jones would have to put on a significant amount of mass to be able to compete with the beasts of the HW division, but Werdum is one of those guys who has the size and the technique locked in two. Though Jones is just goddamn anomaly. I cannot pick against him.
Jones will have difficulty gaining muscle mass cause of his skinny legs. So whatever muscle mass he gains can lead him into being too top heavy. That'll effect his speed and reflexes. Werdum would match him with size and length. But he's got the edge in grappling. Just like LHW's can't deal with the combo of Jones skills and physical attributes, HW's can't deal with Werdum's. Jones wouldn't have an advantage anywhere.
Jones has demonstrated against Cormier who must of been at least 220 when they fought maybe even more he can avoid the take down and take down larger guys then himself at will Jones would piece werdum up on the feet werdum would clinch on the cage and try to take Jon down but would eat some killer elbows
Maybe In later rounds if Jones is tired he gets him down but I doubt Jones is a slouch on the ground
Jones has the striking advantage at LHW cause of how he can change the range of his attacks without much movement. He wouldn't be able to do that against Werdum, who would be able to match Jones kicking range. That alone would throw Jones striking game off. Werdum wouldn't need to try to take Jones down, he's improved his clinch game, so he'd be threatening Jones with his clinch strikes. Not to mention he could just pull guard. Jones wouldn't be able to threaten with his GnP cause of Werdum's sub game. And Jones wouldn't have that athletic advantage cause of how he'll gain muscle mass. Those unpredictable strikes would be less dangerous cause they won't be as fast.
2_1up2_4down said:
Jones has the striking advantage at LHW cause of how he can change the range of his attacks without much movement. He wouldn't be able to do that against Werdum, who would be able to match Jones kicking range. That alone would throw Jones striking game off. Werdum wouldn't need to try to take Jones down, he's improved his clinch game, so he'd be threatening Jones with his clinch strikes. Not to mention he could just pull guard. Jones wouldn't be able to threaten with his GnP cause of Werdum's sub game. And Jones wouldn't have that athletic advantage cause of how he'll gain muscle mass. Those unpredictable strikes would be less dangerous cause they won't be as fast.
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Werdum is a great champion, but I don't think the match between then would run that way.
Jones has a very complex game for everyone to deal in any division. Jones in the guard is vicious! His elbow strikes makes ground game too much difficult. Werdum wouldn't do that without been destroyed on the feet.
I still think Jones is betten then Werdum on the feet, even with the improvements provided by Cordeiro's Thai training.
And don't forget the Jones speed advantage in the heavyweight division.
If Jones ends up in Werdum's guard he wouldn't be able to land his elbows cause of how great Werdum's bjj is. He'd instantly be having to stop Werdum's sub attempts. Jones at LHW had the striking advantage cause he could land punches when guys are at their kicking range, land kicks when guys are used to being at a safe distance. Werdum's height and length take that away. And it's not guaranteed that Jones would have much of a speed advantage cause that depends on how he adds muscle mass.
2_1up2_4down said:
If Jones ends up in Werdum's guard he wouldn't be able to land his elbows cause of how great Werdum's bjj is. He'd instantly be having to stop Werdum's sub attempts. Jones at LHW had the striking advantage cause he could land punches when guys are at their kicking range, land kicks when guys are used to being at a safe distance. Werdum's height and length take that away. And it's not guaranteed that Jones would have much of a speed advantage cause that depends on how he adds muscle mass.
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If things happen the way you tell in guard, jiu-jitsu fighters would seek to be with the back on the mat in every fight. But the mma history tell us that is not a good idea to have especially wrestlers on the top of you during fights.
Jacaré paid the price of to be on this position recently. Werdum himself lost the fight against Overrem in Strikeforce because of it.
Just as Jones arm length give him a unique striking advantage so too does Werdum's leg length gives him a unique advantage on the ground. The Werdum that was flopping to the ground against Uberreem is not the same fighter we see now. Look at what these two fighters brings and then look at whose style gets disrupted. Jones simply won't have his usual height and length advantage. Remember the Gus fight. Nor will Jones have the grappling advantage. Just like Cain didn't have a clear cut advantage anywhere against Werdum. Jones would be in a fight for the first time in awhile where he wouldn't have a clear cut advantage.
CoffeeAndBeer said:
Jones in the HW division will be a major 'storyline' of 2016.
Can't wait to see those matchups; Werdum, Velaquez, Overeem, Cigano, (yes, still).
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Considering that Overeem and Jones have spent time together training the past few years I can see a hurdle for that matchup. Granted, Jones has fought a partner before, Evans, who never seems to fight past training partners, so it's not impossible, but is a definite hurdle that could lead to other matchups sooner.
2_1up2_4down said:
Just as Jones arm length give him a unique striking advantage so too does Werdum's leg length gives him a unique advantage on the ground. The Werdum that was flopping to the ground against Uberreem is not the same fighter we see now. Look at what these two fighters brings and then look at whose style gets disrupted. Jones simply won't have his usual height and length advantage. Remember the Gus fight. Nor will Jones have the grappling advantage. Just like Cain didn't have a clear cut advantage anywhere against Werdum. Jones would be in a fight for the first time in awhile where he wouldn't have a clear cut advantage.
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Never seen a fighter handle Jones in the clinch. I would say he certainly has an advantage there over Werdum despite his standup background. Jones is just a really good dirty boxer, tying up strong fighters and nullifying there greatest assets.
I would also say that even while Werdum is dangerous off his back, Jones also has the takedown advantage, Jones controls the level the fight is held, which is a major advantage.
Jones has some advantages, Werdum has his, which is actually why this is an intriguing matchup.
abc0331 said:
Never seen a fighter handle Jones in the clinch. I would say he certainly has an advantage there over Werdum despite his standup background. Jones is just a really good dirty boxer, tying up strong fighters and nullifying there greatest assets.
I would also say that even while Werdum is dangerous off his back, Jones also has the takedown advantage, Jones controls the level the fight is held, which is a major advantage.
Jones has some advantages, Werdum has his, which is actually why this is an intriguing matchup.
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Yes! I think the same as you. Jones doesn't need to take Werdum to the ground or keep standing up with him. The more likely game would be dirty boxing. As simple as that.