Does Strikeforce know what they're doing?
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BadassCoffee said:
Why is Fedor fighting on Showtime on such a s***ty card? I feel like they just threw the card together without really caring about all the money that's being wasted.
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there viewers have steadily gone down and down. i dont think they know what they are doing, and if they do, they dont do it well. this card on the 26th will be lucky to get 300k. they seem to be falling fast imo..
veritas said:
BadassCoffee said:
Why is Fedor fighting on Showtime on such a s***ty card? I feel like they just threw the card together without really caring about all the money that's being wasted.
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there viewers have steadily gone down and down. i dont think they know what they are doing, and if they do, they dont do it well. this card on the 26th will be lucky to get 300k. they seem to be falling fast imo..
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But hey atleast they have Fedor, who fights once in 2 years, and they have Hendo, who just lost to a guy they lost to UFC, they keep acquiring expensive fighters that do not pay off, and letting their prospects fly.. I dont see how that could be a good bussiness..
BadassCoffee said:
mabrown45 said:
What money wasting? Because America wants to see Fedor? hahaha
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Fedor and Werdum are gonna get paid big, and nobody is going to watch.
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What is the difference in Overeem and Rogers and Big foot and Arlowski?....that is like their entire HW division besides Fedor and Werdum and they were on Showtime.
Showtime runs SF and they want Fedor to fight their so people will subscribe to showtime.....which equals long term money.
Ran in to a friend of mine on the way home from work.
He and I normally watch the PPV's and split the bills and he brought up UFC 116 in a few weeks and I reminded him about the fight his weekend....he looked at me white washed and went, "wha?"
He is not the most informed individual in MMA, but he does know more of the MMA world than just the UFC but he is not the type to watch MFC on hdnet on a friday night. Personally I view him as the average MMA fan. He follows Fedor (alittle) and he has watched SF and Bellator events over here at my house. But he did not know about this fight this weekend. He knew Fedor was going to fight Werdum, but really did not even care after I told him. He kept going on and on about Lesnar and Carwin.
--Fact is, Fedor may be the greatest HW fighter to ever live, he may have been the P4P best even 2 years ago....but none of that matters because know body cares what he is doing. Atleast with affliction there was contraversy around was Randy coming or is'nt he? Can Barnett put Fedor down? Will Affliction survive on Fedor alone?
But here in SF Fedor has faded away in to irrelevance and that is the fault of SF, M-1 and Fedor.
Strikeforce was a strong mid-level show that put on quality fights. (Much like the WEC is doing now.) But now they are having to pull things out that are out of character because they brought the heat on themselves by stepping in and making a move on Fedor and by getting on CBS and claiming that what you were seeing was the best that MMA had to offer(which outside Fedor is a stretch).
People talk about Strikeforce and there deal with DREAM, but they have that co-promtion with an organization based in Japan. You do not see them co-promoting with an American based promtion like Bellator. There president has offered to do a fight with Alvarez and Coker will not even take the call. So many people like to bash DW for not doing a co-promotion, but no company in the US is going to help a competitor grow and compete long term.
Do they know what they are doing?....At one point yes, but they are trying to make themselves in to something that they are not. A copy-cat version of the UFC. I even heard a song from the UFC playing one of the promo's in the last SF event.
abc0331 said:
Ran in to a friend of mine on the way home from work.
He and I normally watch the PPV's and split the bills and he brought up UFC 116 in a few weeks and I reminded him about the fight his weekend....he looked at me white washed and went, "wha?"
He is not the most informed individual in MMA, but he does know more of the MMA world than just the UFC but he is not the type to watch MFC on hdnet on a friday night. Personally I view him as the average MMA fan. He follows Fedor (alittle) and he has watched SF and Bellator events over here at my house. But he did not know about this fight this weekend. He knew Fedor was going to fight Werdum, but really did not even care after I told him. He kept going on and on about Lesnar and Carwin.
--Fact is, Fedor may be the greatest HW fighter to ever live, he may have been the P4P best even 2 years ago....but none of that matters because know body cares what he is doing. Atleast with affliction there was contraversy around was Randy coming or is he? Can Barnett put Fedor down? Will Affliction survive on Fedor alone?
But here in SF Fedor has faded away in to irrelevance and that is the fault of SF, M-1 and Fedor.
Strikeforce was a strong mid-level show that put on quality fights. (Much like the WEC is doing now.) But now they are having to pull things out that are out of character because they brought the heat on themselves by stepping in and making a move on Fedor and by getting on CBS and claiming that what you were seeing was the best that MMA had to offer(which outside Fedor is a stretch).
People talk about Strikeforce and there deal with DREAM, but they have that co-promtion with an organization based in Japan. You do not see them co-promoting with an American based promtion like Bellator. There president has offered to do a fight with Alvavrez and Coker will not even take the call.
Do they know what they are doing?....At one point yes, but they are trying to make themselves in to something that they are not. A copy-cat version of the UFC. I even heard a song from the UFC playing one of the promo's in the last SF event.
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Exactly....except from what I am seeing they are almost going the WWE route......being more sports entertainment than a real sport. Giving a guy coming off a loss a shot at the HW title? Now talking about giving Robbie Lawler a shot at the title after two losses....tourny or not he shouldn't be given a chance.
Plus I don't think I have seen any advertisement for this at all.......like any. I will admit I DVR most things but damn I still see UFC promos everywhere.
Fjodorz said:
But hey atleast they have Fedor, who fights once in 2 years
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once every 2 years? you are dillusional.
Mabrown, the biggest difference in the advertising, IMO, is the UFC has billion's to spend on their product whereas SF has no where near that kind of capabilities!? Right now SF is where the UFC was just a few years ago.
derek666 said:
Fjodorz said:
But hey atleast they have Fedor, who fights once in 2 years
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Right now SF is where the UFC was just a few years ago.
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Yeah 2002.
And the UFC did not have a major promotion to compete with in there own market.
One of the problems Strikeforce has is that it is now beholden to Showtime. Network execs are treating it more like boxing in that they have predetermined dates on a calendar and want to fill that fight date with a series of one-off fights that mean nothing but a short term ratings grab (and not very good ones, at that). Hence, Hershel Walker, the rumored Batista signing, the propensity of local kids on the undercard, etc.
SF cards get filled up with too many fights that go nowhere. A good fight for the sake of a fight is all well and good (see Marcus Davis vs. Nate Diaz). But, there has to be an overarching logical progression in order to build a sport. There needs to be title contenders, new young talent, etc. in order to get a fan interested for the long haul.
And don't even get me started with Showtime's production problems. No swing bouts? No desire to show any undercard fights when there is down time on the main broadcast?
I hope, for the sake of the sport, that SF and Showtime can figure something out. And they'd better do it fast before time (and money) runs out.
StrikeForce is only where they are because of the UFC. So to say "they are where the UFC was a few years ago" isn't very fair.
I think they are doing very well considering what little they have. Their whole existence revolves around Fedor right now, and they know that. They are promoting Fedor and Fedors opponents, knowing that people will tune in for him and him alone.
Geez, no love at all for SF?
Give the Rogers - Overeem fight a rest. It was impossible for Coker to get Fedor and Overeem together and he was just doing his best to make an entertaining fight.
I admit I didn't watch the Lawler - Babalu card. Didn't really interest me that much. SF doesn't do a good enough job showcasing its up and comers. And where the hell did Mousasi go?
The Fedor not fighting on the CBC card in April will prove to be the nail in SF's coffin. I expect this Werdum fight to draw mediocre numbers. After that, Coker has one kick at the can for a PPV, and really, how much does he stand to make? And what other PPV could they put on after that one?
SF will likely return to a regional show, showing mid-level guys, making a decent profit. But their shot at taking down the UFC has passed them by. They had a FANTASTIC Rogers-Fedor fight in the fall on CBC and then completely screwed up after that.
derek666 said:
Fjodorz said:
But hey atleast they have Fedor, who fights once in 2 years
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once every 2 years? you are dillusional.
Mabrown, the biggest difference in the advertising, IMO, is the UFC has billion's to spend on their product whereas SF has no where near that kind of capabilities!? Right now SF is where the UFC was just a few years ago.
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SF can waste their money on fighters payroll but can't afford to market their fighters? S hit they just paid Babalu 100k for his fight that peaked with 'nearly' 200k viewers. If babalu is getting 100k per fight what is the higher end getting?
I am still a fan of SF but their business practices just don't make sense.....but i don't have an MBA so I am sure they know what they are doing.
derek666 said:
Fjodorz said:
But hey atleast they have Fedor, who fights once in 2 years
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once every 2 years? you are dillusional.
Mabrown, the biggest difference in the advertising, IMO, is the UFC has billion's to spend on their product whereas SF has no where near that kind of capabilities!? Right now SF is where the UFC was just a few years ago.
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It's not as harsh as he was putting it...
But Fedor with the upcoming card, that will be his 6th fight in 3 years. Pretty lame imo. But yeah, he fought twice in 07 and 09 and once in 08.
Obviously Brock hasn't fought that much cuz of injury, which Fedor can also offer as a reason in the case of his hand, but Anderson Silva will have 11 fights in the same 3 year period with his upcoming fight, and Cain Velasquez has fought 6 fights in just two years so... yeah I kinda hate that about him.
mabrown45 said:
abc0331 said:
Ran in to a friend of mine on the way home from work.
He and I normally watch the PPV's and split the bills and he brought up UFC 116 in a few weeks and I reminded him about the fight his weekend....he looked at me white washed and went, "wha?"
He is not the most informed individual in MMA, but he does know more of the MMA world than just the UFC but he is not the type to watch MFC on hdnet on a friday night. Personally I view him as the average MMA fan. He follows Fedor (alittle) and he has watched SF and Bellator events over here at my house. But he did not know about this fight this weekend. He knew Fedor was going to fight Werdum, but really did not even care after I told him. He kept going on and on about Lesnar and Carwin.
--Fact is, Fedor may be the greatest HW fighter to ever live, he may have been the P4P best even 2 years ago....but none of that matters because know body cares what he is doing. Atleast with affliction there was contraversy around was Randy coming or is he? Can Barnett put Fedor down? Will Affliction survive on Fedor alone?
But here in SF Fedor has faded away in to irrelevance and that is the fault of SF, M-1 and Fedor.
Strikeforce was a strong mid-level show that put on quality fights. (Much like the WEC is doing now.) But now they are having to pull things out that are out of character because they brought the heat on themselves by stepping in and making a move on Fedor and by getting on CBS and claiming that what you were seeing was the best that MMA had to offer(which outside Fedor is a stretch).
People talk about Strikeforce and there deal with DREAM, but they have that co-promtion with an organization based in Japan. You do not see them co-promoting with an American based promtion like Bellator. There president has offered to do a fight with Alvavrez and Coker will not even take the call.
Do they know what they are doing?....At one point yes, but they are trying to make themselves in to something that they are not. A copy-cat version of the UFC. I even heard a song from the UFC playing one of the promo's in the last SF event.
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Exactly....except from what I am seeing they are almost going the WWE route......being more sports entertainment than a real sport. Giving a guy coming off a loss a shot at the HW title? Now talking about giving Robbie Lawler a shot at the title after two losses....tourny or not he shouldn't be given a chance.
Plus I don't think I have seen any advertisement for this at all.......like any. I will admit I DVR most things but damn I still see UFC promos everywhere.
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yeah, SF is the ONLY ORG givin shots away right????
guess Randy Couture got all of his title shots by beating the f--- out of all conteders..
Hell, the UFC gave a WWE guy, with a 1-1 record a shot to the title...