Originally posted by: Bwalsh Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:00 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Ive Been Thinking about this for a while now.Whats more Important?Dominating Victory's?Or A Fighter that Can finish a fight?
Take an example,like GSP.Sure Mabe he doesnt finish all of his fights.But He dominates his opponents in Fashion like no other.
An example of a fighter who finishes there opponent almost all the time,Fedor Emelianenko.Sure sometimes he maybe on the losing End,but he always comes Back with a Superb Finish
So the question i have for you guys is..
Whats more Important in your Opinion? Dominating Fashion,or A fighter who can FINISH a Fight?
Originally posted by: juice18 Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:07 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Originally posted by: keystone Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:08 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Well, dominating UD wins can be great. It can give a fighter a chance to showcase all his mma skills and give us a good idea of how that fighter will fair against future opponents.
Dominating finishes are obviously a great way to win but can leave people wondering what aspects of mma that fighter might be vulnerable to in the future.
Originally posted by: Rocksteady Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:11 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Finishes.
Nothing pumps me up more than a favorite fighter knocking out his opponent, or even a slick sub. It's not that I don't like domination, I just find that if a fighter finishes, said fighter took that risk and ended the fight.
More and more we are seeing the "safer" gameplans, which is alright, I'd just rather see a finish.
Look at poor Dufee, he couldn't finish the fight and look what happened to him. (Obviously a rare case)
At the same time you see guys that are trying to finish fights get finished themselves because they may be too open. This in itself is super entertaining aswell.
All in all, I love fighters that finish fights.
Originally posted by: Bwalsh Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:22 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Rocksteady said:
Finishes.
Nothing pumps me up more than a favorite fighter knocking out his opponent, or even a slick sub. It's not that I don't like domination, I just find that if a fighter finishes, said fighter took that risk and ended the fight.
More and more we are seeing the "safer" gameplans, which is alright, I'd just rather see a finish.
Look at poor Dufee, he couldn't finish the fight and look what happened to him. (Obviously a rare case)
At the same time you see guys that are trying to finish fights get finished themselves because they may be too open. This in itself is super entertaining aswell.
All in all, I love fighters that finish fights.
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I agree with everything you said.At the same time though,i love seeing my fighters completely dominate a fight.
Originally posted by: Maximumpain Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:29 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:30 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
It depends on why you are looking at it. If it is for scouting purposes, a GSP like domination is more suitable than a finish. If you are looking for entertainment value, that if JDS would be better suited. But, there is no one answer for all situations.
Originally posted by: Bwalsh Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:39 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
ResoluteProtector said:
It depends on why you are looking at it. If it is for scouting purposes, a GSP like domination is more suitable than a finish. If you are looking for entertainment value, that if JDS would be better suited. But, there is no one answer for all situations.
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True True..All depends what you like best
Originally posted by: JonnyF Date: June 23, 2010 at 08:45 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Finishes count far more than a dominating performance to me. If a fighter dominates for five rounds and comes out unscathed, that shows me he isn't taking enough risks to finish.
Originally posted by: fishfryer Date: June 23, 2010 at 09:04 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
To plan to win by plain domination can always lead to a loss by a lucky punch, kick or fluke flying armbar. How many times have we seen Leben near death only to get a lucky punch in. I say finishes are much more important (not to take anything away from GSP).
Originally posted by: Steve99_9 Date: June 23, 2010 at 09:16 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
i would say finishes by a slim margin.
but for the fighter, he needs both. if a fighter just has dominating victories, then all the questions and critisisms would be he can't finish the fight and would be called "boring". if a fighter just has finishes or some kind, which obviously is good, but then cardio gets called into question, and the style of the finish as well. if its all subs its 'his stand up isn't good enough'. if its all knockouts, its 'no ground game'.
having said all that, finishes are more pleasing to the eye.
Originally posted by: abc0331 Date: June 23, 2010 at 09:28 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Rocksteady said:
It's not that I don't like domination, I just find that if a fighter finishes, said fighter took that risk and ended the fight.
More and more we are seeing the "safer" gameplans, which is alright, I'd just rather see a finish.
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Well put.
Originally posted by: jsinsantino Date: June 23, 2010 at 09:35 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
dominating wins proves who is the better fighter. any1 can get lucky and land a punch via serra on gsp that doesnt prove he is better fighter then gsp. but when u dominate a whole fight that proves alot more
Originally posted by: Bwalsh Date: June 23, 2010 at 09:36 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
jsinsantino said:
dominating wins proves who is the better fighter. any1 can get lucky and land a punch via serra on gsp that doesnt prove he is better fighter then gsp. but when u dominate a whole fight that proves alot more
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Good Point
Originally posted by: MizzouRam Date: June 23, 2010 at 11:07 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
JonnyF said:
Finishes count far more than a dominating performance to me. If a fighter dominates for five rounds and comes out unscathed, that shows me he isn't taking enough risks to finish.
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So what? A lot of finishes are luck. A fighter throwing punches wildly can finish a fight, but a fighter that can go 5 rounds with another top athlete and impose his will on them effectively makes the other guy look like an idiot. Looking impressive over the course of a 25 minute fight says more to me than a guy who dominates for a split second.
Originally posted by: Roclawzi Date: June 23, 2010 at 11:11 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
jsinsantino said:
dominating wins proves who is the better fighter. any1 can get lucky and land a punch via serra on gsp that doesnt prove he is better fighter then gsp. but when u dominate a whole fight that proves alot more
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It does say finishes, as in more than one. While I understand your point, Matt Serra got his lucky finish in, and then didn't finish anything but a medium pizza with sausage and onions for two and a half years.
As far as betting goes, I'd rather see dominating wins, because it's just easier to predict that kind of fighter.
As a fan, I love me some finishes. Just like Nascar, we watch for the crashes.
Originally posted by: buckhunter620 Date: June 24, 2010 at 12:41 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
finishes get you publicity and title shots because a guy who finishes fights is easy to market, while dominating fights proves you are the better figher
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector Date: June 24, 2010 at 01:07 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Originally posted by: Goner Date: June 24, 2010 at 02:34 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Did not vote because the options are not fair comparisons. Dominating wins are being compared to finishes in general when, in all fairness, they should be compared to dominating finishes. A preliminary question could be: What is a more concrete victory, a decision or a finish?
Originally posted by: metalmike00 Date: June 24, 2010 at 03:21 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/dominating-wins-or-finishes-whats-more-important.27109/
Goner said:
Did not vote because the options are not fair comparisons. Dominating wins are being compared to finishes in general when,
in all fairness, they should be compared to dominating finishes.
A preliminary question could be: What is a more concrete victory, a decision or a finish?
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