Ed Soares still unsure why JDS left him

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Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: August 30, 2011 at 02:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

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In the management game in MMA, it’s not all that unusual for a fighter to split with one person and find representation with a different manager.
Business changes, new people enter the industry, and the world keeps turning.
It is unusual however when certain managers lose a client, if only because of their track record of loyalty within their ranks. That’s one reason why when news broke that Junior Dos Santos had parted ways from his managers Ed Soares and Jorge Guimaraes, it was considered a pretty big deal.
Soares and his partner Guimaraes have managed several fighters over the years and continue to work with top talent like Anderson Silva and the Nogueira brothers. Their history shows a fierce loyalty to their fighters and that loyalty is typically reciprocated.
It was a shock to everyone, including Soares, that Dos Santos opted to leave the management team and venture out on his own.
“We’re his managers; we’re not his Dad. I still to this day don’t know really why we’re not working with him anymore. He never really gave us any reasons. Money and fame changes people, and sometimes that happens. He’s got his reasons,” Soares told MMAWeekly Radio.
“I almost think that’s a better question for you sometime to ask him, because I still really don’t know what happened other than we’re not representing him any more.”
Dos Santos entered the UFC in 2008 and has been undefeated ever since. It was Soares and Guimaraes that brokered the deal to get him in the UFC again after he was signed to the promotion a year earlier by a different manager before that deal went south.
“I don’t think we could have done a better job with Junior Dos Santos than what was done. Nobody knew who he was two-and-a-half years ago, we pretty much got him in the UFC. Because at first the UFC didn’t want to sign him because he signed with the UFC through another guy, so he had a deal to fight in the UFC and then he went and fought in Brazil and lost. The UFC was really bummed out and basically said ‘no, we’re not going to sign this guy. He screwed us. He signed with us then went to another event and lost,’” Soares explained.
“So we got him back a win and we convinced them let’s get this kid back in. He made a mistake, he was young, he really didn’t understand the whole deal.”
What resulted was a win over Fabricio Werdum in his debut fight and from that moment on Dos Santos has been on a tear through the UFC heavyweight division. It all culminates in November at UFC 139 when he faces Cain Velasquez with the UFC heavyweight title on the line.
“We put him in a good fight in the beginning, believed he could beat Fabricio Werdum. He went in there and did that and (we) basically guided his career and fast tracked him to where he is today,” said Soares. “Look at where he’s at. He was on The Ultimate Fighter, which gave him a lot of popularity, and it is what it is.”
While there still appears to be some confusion as to why they aren’t working together, Soares holds no ill will toward Dos Santos… he just isn’t sure what happened.
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I already see an excuse developing for why JDS will lose. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: August 30, 2011 at 02:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

I haven't heard JDS crying about it, what's Ed's problem, time to move on.
 
Originally posted by: Brick
Date: August 30, 2011 at 02:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

FIGHTMAGNET said:
I haven't heard JDS crying about it, what's Ed's problem, time to move on.
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Where's Soares crying? He's just wondering why the guy left. You don't think you'd be a little curious if a fighter you were managing up and left and didn't really give you a reason?
 
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: August 30, 2011 at 02:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

Brick said:
FIGHTMAGNET said:
I haven't heard JDS crying about it, what's Ed's problem, time to move on.
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Where's Soares crying? He's just wondering why the guy left. You don't think you'd be a little curious if a fighter you were managing up and left and didn't really give you a reason?
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Like he doesn't know. Ed is just doing his best Lew Polly imo.
 
Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: August 30, 2011 at 02:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

With Anderson blowing up, I wonder if that's what caused JDS to feel ignored by Ed. Or someone got in JDS' ear. "See Ed is ignoring you. You're not a priority to him. Sign with me. I'll get you deals like that also."
 
Originally posted by: SilvaP4PKing
Date: August 30, 2011 at 02:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

Brick said:
FIGHTMAGNET said:
I haven't heard JDS crying about it, what's Ed's problem, time to move on.
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Where's Soares crying? He's just wondering why the guy left. You don't think you'd be a little curious if a fighter you were managing up and left and didn't really give you a reason?
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Pretty sure JDS already said he just wanted exclusivity, a person that would manage only HIM and not 15(more or less) brazilian fighters like ed.... Is that not enough ?
Ed Soares really needs to move on.
Also: "Money and fame changes people"... Its really sad that he talks like that about JDS, who in my opinion is one of the most humble ELITE fighters in the business, also one of the few brazilians who cares about learning english to talk to the rest of the world.
 
Originally posted by: roorippin
Date: August 30, 2011 at 03:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

Sour grapes. Maybe its because the entire mma community thinks soares is a joke, including JDS. JDS probably doesnt want to pay someone 20% of his earnings to poorly paraphrase him.
 
Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: August 30, 2011 at 03:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

FIGHTMAGNET said:
I haven't heard JDS crying about it, what's Ed's problem, time to move on.
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To Ed's credit. He was asked about the JDS situation. Its time for the people asking the questions to move on.
 
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: August 30, 2011 at 04:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

ACOGSCOPE said:
FIGHTMAGNET said:
I haven't heard JDS crying about it, what's Ed's problem, time to move on.
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To Ed's credit. He was asked about the JDS situation. Its time for the people asking the questions to move on.
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This as well, but there's two sides to every coin. If Ed had come across as explaining the posistion from both sides, I'd be more inclined to lend him my ears. When he only states, "we did so much for him, what happened"?, and basically paints his side of the story in the brightest light, well then I have my doubts that he's being totally forthcoming on the issue.
No big deal though, it is what it is.
 
Originally posted by: gzfzvz
Date: August 30, 2011 at 04:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

Didn't JDS say he is not even sure what a manager does?
 
Originally posted by: coolduke
Date: August 30, 2011 at 04:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

wasnt JDS in the ring after Nog's win on Saturday?
I think that speaks volumes as to whether there is bad blood...
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: August 30, 2011 at 04:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

coolduke said:
wasnt JDS in the ring after Nog's win on Saturday?
I think that speaks volumes as to whether there is bad blood...
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just because you leave management doesn't mean you cut all ties with friends even if they are still with the management
 
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: August 30, 2011 at 04:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

coolduke said:
wasnt JDS in the ring after Nog's win on Saturday?
I think that speaks volumes as to whether there is bad blood...
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^^^
Team Nogueira
Royce Gracie, Junior dos Santos Visit Christ the Redeemer in Rio de Janeiro
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/GPpWZhUbP6A?rel=0&hd=1[/youtube]
 
Originally posted by: illy-d
Date: August 30, 2011 at 06:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

Slow media day I guess... It's easy to see these articles and start taking sides - but let's be clear about one thing; If the media wasn't going to Ed looking for a quote they wouldn't be getting one.
I'm not reading into it and I agree with Acogscope - time to ask different people different questions.
 
Originally posted by: DJFilthyRich
Date: August 30, 2011 at 06:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

at least JDS wasnt a complete Dbag and say that he's fired in the middle of the cage for the whole world to see.
 
Originally posted by: Portillo
Date: August 30, 2011 at 09:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

Is JDS still Black House affiliated?
 
Originally posted by: toerag
Date: August 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

DJFilthyRich said:
at least JDS wasnt a complete Dbag and say that he's fired in the middle of the cage for the whole world to see.
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Has this happened before?
 
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: August 30, 2011 at 11:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

toerag said:
DJFilthyRich said:
at least JDS wasnt a complete Dbag and say that he's fired in the middle of the cage for the whole world to see.
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Has this happened before?
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Believe he's reffering to how Matt Mittrione got rid of his manager.
 
Originally posted by: toerag
Date: August 30, 2011 at 11:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

FIGHTMAGNET said:
toerag said:
DJFilthyRich said:
at least JDS wasnt a complete Dbag and say that he's fired in the middle of the cage for the whole world to see.
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Has this happened before?
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Believe he's reffering to how Matt Mittrione got rid of his manager.
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Oh, I see. Haven't seen that one. Google, here I come...
 
Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: August 31, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ed-soares-still-unsure-why-jds-left-him.41714/

Maybe JDS was upset that Soares wouldn't land him a big time sponsor like Burger King. But, if only part of what Soares is saying is correct; how many other managers would have gotten him into the UFC following a loss in a fight he was not supposed to take? What roll did Soares have in TUF? And without Soares would JDS have landed the TUF gig?
If this split becomes acrimonious then it will create drama in/around the Blackhouse gym. Soares is a frequent visitor (multiple times per week) to the gym, so i'm curious what impact the split will have on the other fighters that train there.
 
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