ex pride fighters now in ufc

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: cruelhandman
Date: February 15, 2009 at 06:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

has anyone else noticed that all the guys that have come from pride to ufc have pretty
much changed rolls.
anderson silva went from pride gatekeeper to #1 guy in ufc
rampage went from cant win a big fight to top contender and ex champ
cro cop went from ko master to nap master.
shogon went from most exciting fighter to a bore fest
wandy went from biggest name in pride to just another gatekeeper in ufc
dennis kangs long awaited debut was a bust(even though he looked good till he got caught)
nog,henderson,coleman,and chonnan are the few that have followed the
same patterns since the merger of the 2.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: smicker
Date: February 15, 2009 at 02:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

cruelhandman said:
has anyone else noticed that all the guys that have come from pride to ufc have pretty
much changed rolls.
anderson silva went from pride gatekeeper to #1 guy in ufc
rampage went from cant win a big fight to top contender and ex champ
cro cop went from ko master to nap master.
shogon went from most exciting fighter to a bore fest
wandy went from biggest name in pride to just another gatekeeper in ufc
dennis kangs long awaited debut was a bust(even though he looked good till he got caught)
nog,
HENDERSON< COLEMAN
,and chonnan are the few that have followed the
same patterns since the merger of the 2.
Click to expand...
Henderson & Coleman fought in the UFC before they went to Pride only under the old style rules. Also Wandy fought in a couple of UFC events before Pride as well.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ballsout
Date: February 15, 2009 at 04:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

Look at Chuck 2006 vs 2009.
Look at GSP 2006 vs 2009
Look at Hughes 2006 vs 2009
Almost every fighters "roll" has changed from 2006 till 2009

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MMAStudent
Date: February 15, 2009 at 04:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

I'd say wandy gets the title of "Most beloved gatekeeper".. not "Just another"

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: blakewt
Date: February 15, 2009 at 04:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

MMAStudent said:
I'd say wandy gets the title of "Most beloved gatekeeper".. not "Just another"
Click to expand...
For sure at 205 but think he could be a real contender at 185, for how long who knows

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: quickthought
Date: February 16, 2009 at 03:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

Most those pride figthers prime years was when they were in pride such as Nog, Wandy, CC and even Hendo where as Jackson and Silva were getting better and better its just a cycle just like the UFC Hughes, Liddell, Couture use to be the main ones now we are seeing GSP, Lesnar and Evans same thing happends in all sports and thats what makes sport exciting.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bpretz
Date: February 16, 2009 at 08:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

i think the lackluster performances of pride guys in the ufc is probably due to the fact that the mma game has evolved significantly since pride and many of the fighters were juicing up in japan as there was no governing body ensuring fairness in that regard.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CageFighter72
Date: February 17, 2009 at 05:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

Also, you need to take into account the differences in the two, Pride and UFC. Fighting in a ring as opposed to a cage is entirely different, as well as the rules, i.e. elbows, kicking a downed opponent, etc. They are two different creatures, like comparing the Abhu Dahbi to MMA, great jiu-jitsu practitioners dont always make great Mixed Martial Arts fighters. Wanderlei is a great example. He was a monster in Pride, but even in the early days when he did fight for the UFC, when put against Cage savvy oponents, he lost. Like Tito and Vitor, who destroyed him in less than two minutes. The Octagon is way different then a ring.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 00ireland99
Date: February 17, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

CageFighter72 said:
Also, you need to take into account the differences in the two, Pride and UFC. Fighting in a ring as opposed to a cage is entirely different, as well as the rules, i.e. elbows, kicking a downed opponent, etc. They are two different creatures, like comparing the Abhu Dahbi to MMA, great jiu-jitsu practitioners dont always make great Mixed Martial Arts fighters. Wanderlei is a great example. He was a monster in Pride, but even in the early days when he did fight for the UFC, when put against Cage savvy oponents, he lost. Like Tito and Vitor, who destroyed him in less than two minutes. The Octagon is way different then a ring.
Click to expand...
+1 good anyalsis

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Moranis
Date: February 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

Wande got brutally knocked out his last two fights in Pride. His decline had already started, it has just continued since he joined the UFC.
Kang was never that good in Pride, his loss to Belcher should really not be a surprise to anyone.
Shogun had a major knee injury for his fight with Forrest which resulted in two surgeries before his fight with Coleman. Let's see how he looks against Liddell before drawing conclusions on him.
Rampage couldn't beat Wande or Shogun in Pride, but he did have quite a few big wins in Pride including Chuck and Arona. To say he never could win a big fight in Pride is just not true.
Cro Cop got old. Big Nog got old. Anderson entered his prime after he left.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CageFighter72
Date: February 19, 2009 at 06:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

Wande got brutally knocked out his last two fights in Pride. His decline had already started, it has just continued since he joined the UFC.
Click to expand...
But, he also got brutally knocked out by Belfort back in the day in the UFC as well, as well as losing a decision to Tito in his first stint with the UFC, which, I might add, was BEFORE he was a monster in Pride. The rule set and the environment of the octagon is way different from the rules in Pride and the ring as opposed to the cage. They are two different creatures entirely, thus the reason for most Pride fighters not succeeding in the UFC.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Moranis
Date: February 21, 2009 at 03:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

CageFighter72 said:
Wande got brutally knocked out his last two fights in Pride. His decline had already started, it has just continued since he joined the UFC.
Click to expand...
But, he also got brutally knocked out by Belfort back in the day in the UFC as well, as well as losing a decision to Tito in his first stint with the UFC, which, I might add, was BEFORE he was a monster in Pride. The rule set and the environment of the octagon is way different from the rules in Pride and the ring as opposed to the cage. They are two different creatures entirely, thus the reason for most Pride fighters not succeeding in the UFC.
Click to expand...
Wande is an aggressive fighter. That leads to brutal knock outs both ways, he has just been on the giving side much more often than the receiving side.
His losses to Belfort and Tito were before the unified rules went into effect. It was pretty much anything goes back then so I'm not sure why you mention those fights and then somehow try to say it is the rules.
Wanderlei was 4-4 in his last 8 fights in Pride and was viciously knocked out in his last two fights. His decline had already started. It wasn't a question of changing the rules it was just he is merely showing the effects of over a decade of beatings. You also have to consider his fight with Chuck was a virtual stand up battle, and his fights with Jardine and Rampage were over very quickly as a result of punches. The rules had very little, if anything, to do with the outcomes in those fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bothrops
Date: February 21, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ex-pride-fighters-now-in-ufc.10546/

"Cro Cop got old. Big Nog got old. Anderson entered his prime after he left."
Not for nothing, but Anderson is older than Big Nog, and about the same age as CroCop. I think Pride fight's took there toll on alot of the fighter's who now look and walk like they're much older than they really are.