Fedor did awesome...but I can see Brock winning now

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Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: November 08, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

I'm probably the biggest Fedor fan in the world and watching that fight tonight scared the crap out of me. Yes Fedor KO'd a guy a way bigger than him, but it also showed me that he can't use his sambo skills very well on a big 265+lb man like Brock. I know i'm gonna get crap about this...but Rogers is a fat 265lb, not a guy who's all muscle and 265lbs of solid muscle like Brock. I have to admit, after watching this fight, I can see Brock winning against Fedor now =(. He would take him to the ground and either hold him of finish him with ground and pound like Rogers almost did in the fight, just Brock is a lot stronger that Rogers in the ground and pound position. This fight really makes me want to see him Fight in the UFC even more now though. Werdum got a lucky decision and will get killed by Fedor and Fedor wont even have a strong test again until he fights Alistair if he can every make it to the US or get off his "supplements" long enough to pass a test. I hope they do though because if Fedor beats Alistair, the only thing left is to go to the UFC IMO.

 

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Originally posted by: Bob-A-Lou
Date: November 08, 2009 at 09:07 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

He definately has some issues fighting in a cage that he needs to address. It baffles me that he does no training in a cage. When Rogers had him in the clinch up against the cage, he seemed a bit lost to me.

 

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Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: November 08, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

Bob-A-Lou said:
He definately has some issues fighting in a cage that he needs to address. It baffles me that he does no training in a cage. When Rogers had him in the clinch up against the cage, he seemed a bit lost to me.
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very true and was it just me, or did Bret looked like he had a really good ground game? He did better than a lot of people against fedor on the ground. I noticed the little things that maybe Marc can talk about on Monday, but on the Kimura attempt, I think he probably just out-powered Fedor, but when Fedor tried to lock up the armbar from the bottom, Bret put his head through his outside leg, so he couldn't lock it up. little things like that really impressed me by Rogers

 

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Originally posted by: GorgeousGeorge
Date: November 10, 2009 at 02:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

man, you lost me when you said rogers was fat and then followed that up with werdum getting killed, yet overeem will be a "test".
first, let's ask overeem if werdum was a test.
second, rogers may not be all cut up, but he ain't fat. that's a big boy with a lot of mass. heck, fedor is fat then too and that hasn't seemed to matter in his last 32 fights. at that point, many would say mir was fat when he caught brock the first time.
third, werdum didn't get a lucky decision. he won 2/3 rounds unan. they were all close, but i didn't hear a rua/machida-esque backlash.
i can respect the fact that you might think lesnar could be a tough matchup for fedor and maybe even beat him (although i would still take fedor). but how you got to the conclusion, i didn't agree with.
fedor already cleaned out pride when they had the best heavies. just a year ago, many thought affliction had the best heavies and cleaned that out too. not his fault barnett didn't pass. and frankly, even if he goes to the ufc ... by the time he cleans that out (lesnar, carwin, dos santos and cain) ... there will be 5 other great young fighters somewhere else saying fedor is ducking them.
don't you get it? he's already the best ever. he's already had a better career than anyone else. anything from here on out is gravy for us fans. look at what lesnar would have to do to match fedor. literally go like 25-0 from this point forward. is your money on that happening?

 

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Originally posted by: Ph1sh
Date: November 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

I believe that Fedor's striking would look much better against Lesnar than it did against Rogers. I am a Brock fan, but I do not think his striking could keep Fedor from teeing off, where against Rogers there was more of a threat to Fedor from a striking standpoint. Rogers' striking threat kept Fedor at bay and Brock would be easier to go at with a flurry in my opinion. That being said, if Brock could get past that flurry and get Fedor to the ground, I think Fedor would be in trouble because Brock would be much more in control than Rogers was on the ground

 

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Originally posted by: GorgeousGeorge
Date: November 10, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

didn't we all think that if fedor got rogers to the ground, rogers would be a fish out of water? so why is automatic that if lesnar gets fedor down, fedor is doomed?
now i'm trying to play a little devil's advocate here too. just trying to point out other scenarios. this is what makes mma so great, anything can happen.
gg

 

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Originally posted by: Ph1sh
Date: November 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

I don't think Fedor would be doomed, but based on how Rogers was able to control Fedor for the short time Fedor was on his back, I believe Lesnar could do even better. He controlled Mir in a way that was very impressive and with Brock's wrestling abilities, I think he would pose even more difficulties for Fedor while on his back

 

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Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: November 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

GorgeousGeorge said:
man, you lost me when you said rogers was fat and then followed that up with werdum getting killed, yet overeem will be a "test".
first, let's ask overeem if werdum was a test.
second, rogers may not be all cut up, but he ain't fat. that's a big boy with a lot of mass. heck, fedor is fat then too and that hasn't seemed to matter in his last 32 fights. at that point, many would say mir was fat when he caught brock the first time.
third, werdum didn't get a lucky decision. he won 2/3 rounds unan. they were all close, but i didn't hear a rua/machida-esque backlash.
i can respect the fact that you might think lesnar could be a tough matchup for fedor and maybe even beat him (although i would still take fedor). but how you got to the conclusion, i didn't agree with.
fedor already cleaned out pride when they had the best heavies. just a year ago, many thought affliction had the best heavies and cleaned that out too. not his fault barnett didn't pass. and frankly, even if he goes to the ufc ... by the time he cleans that out (lesnar, carwin, dos santos and cain) ... there will be 5 other great young fighters somewhere else saying fedor is ducking them.
don't you get it? he's already the best ever. he's already had a better career than anyone else. anything from here on out is gravy for us fans. look at what lesnar would have to do to match fedor. literally go like 25-0 from this point forward. is your money on that happening?
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I think u misunderstood me GG. Yes I know Fedor is fat too and my point of calling Bret fat was that he's a fat 265lb, not a 265lbs with less than 8% body fat and is all muscle, like Brock. My point was in that statement that Brock has a lot more muscle than Bret and will be a heck of a lot strong, a way better wrestler and be able to power out just as good or maybe even better than bret did against Fedor. That's what scares me. Also I don't know why you have the love for Werdum like u do. I thought he lost that fight and I think Bigfoot would be more of a test for Fedor than Werdum. I think most people would agree with that too. As far as thinking Alistair isn't the best chance of beating Fedor in Strikeforce, I don't know how u could disagree with that statement. You have to realize the AListair your seeing in the past 2 years is a beast compared to the one that manhandle Paul Buentello for the belt. I can see him being mentally stupid and losing to a lot smarter Fedor, sure...but I could also see him over-powering Fedor and giving him a run for the money with a hard short and have the punchers chance, more so than Bret did IMO

 

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Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: November 10, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

GorgeousGeorge said:
didn't we all think that if fedor got rogers to the ground, rogers would be a fish out of water? so why is automatic that if lesnar gets fedor down, fedor is doomed?
now i'm trying to play a little devil's advocate here too. just trying to point out other scenarios. this is what makes mma so great, anything can happen.
gg
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:lol: HOly crap GG I thought I was a huge Fedor fan, but I think your Biases are showing for Fedor more than me. TO think that Brock couldn't beat Fedor at all is just crazy IMO. I can see Fedor being brock with his experience and submissions, but I could also see Brock taking him down and either holding him there or hammerfisting his to a tko victory. YOur judgment can't be that clouded for Fedor can it?

 

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Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: November 10, 2009 at 01:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

Not sure about Brock beating Fedor, but one thing I think Rogers did take advantage of was using the cage which was uncharted territory for Fedor in a fight. That's something feasible Brock could use in a potential fight.

 

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Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: November 10, 2009 at 03:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

TheVileOne said:
Not sure about Brock beating Fedor, but one thing I think Rogers did take advantage of was using the cage which was uncharted territory for Fedor in a fight. That's something feasible Brock could use in a potential fight.
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very true, u could see Fedor was kind of a fish out of water against that fence

 

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Originally posted by: Murf
Date: November 10, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

I think Brett Rogers isn't getting his just due in all this.
Give the guy some credit, he did some good technical things on the ground and gave Fedor a tough test. In no way would Fedor "look past" Rogers, which again, speaks volumes for Rogers good performance. I was just as impressed with Fedor in this fight as I have been in any of his other fights. If Fedor would have had the same performance vs. lets say Barnett, people would be saying Fedor is a beast and P4P # one. IMO, Rogers isn't far from Barnett when it comes to overall talent. And FEDOR KTFO of Rogers!
Moving on to the super match of Lesner vs. Fedor. Would this be a bad match-up for Fedor, of course. Lesner is huge, plan and simple. BUT, Fedor has the kind of hands, composure, experience, and killer instincts, all of which can change a fight quickly. Sure on paper Lesner should beat Fedor, but MMA doesn't work like that. Alot of guys should have beat Fedor on paper. I can see three ways Fedor could win a 5 round fight againist Lesner, which would be, a 5 round decision, submission, or a KO/TKO. Lesner on the other hand, would have to end it with Fedor on his back raining down unanswered shots.
These are just my thoughts, but my whole point in response to the title "I can see Brock win" of course you can. Anybody can win at anytime. That's what I love about MMA some of the best fighters in the world sport records of 10-4, 15-6, 16-11, and so on. Don't forget Fedor is 31-1. That's alot of fights man with a very high winning percentage, I would take those odds.

 

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Originally posted by: GorgeousGeorge
Date: November 10, 2009 at 09:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

we're just going in circles now.
scott, you didn't read all of my post. i said i was open to the possibility of lesnar winning that fight too.

 

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Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: November 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

GorgeousGeorge said:
we're just going in circles now.
scott, you didn't read all of my post. i said i was open to the possibility of lesnar winning that fight too.
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don't know what were talking in circles about to you? I explained to you exactly why brock is a stronger man than bret and why Werdum couldn't hang with Fedor and would get destroyed and why AListair will be his biggest test so far. I know u said Lensar could win, but u also made it sounds like u thought Werdum was actually be more of test for Fedor. Mark my words if they set up a werdum vs fedor match, Fedor KO's werdum in less than 2 minutes easily!

 

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Originally posted by: GorgeousGeorge
Date: November 11, 2009 at 07:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

Ph1sh said:
I don't think Fedor would be doomed, but based on how Rogers was able to control Fedor for the short time Fedor was on his back, I believe Lesnar could do even better. He controlled Mir in a way that was very impressive and with Brock's wrestling abilities, I think he would pose even more difficulties for Fedor while on his back
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i could see that. but based on lesnar not liking the knee that mir threw and immediately taking the fight to the ground, couldn't you see fedor laying him out? like i said earlier, we can go on all day with the scenarios. won't matter until they fight. and i don't think they're gonna ... at least until late 2011 maybe. heck, i don't even think lesnar will be champ by then.
gg

 

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Originally posted by: GorgeousGeorge
Date: November 11, 2009 at 07:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

sho89mtx said:
GorgeousGeorge said:
didn't we all think that if fedor got rogers to the ground, rogers would be a fish out of water? so why is automatic that if lesnar gets fedor down, fedor is doomed?
now i'm trying to play a little devil's advocate here too. just trying to point out other scenarios. this is what makes mma so great, anything can happen.
gg
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:lol: HOly crap GG I thought I was a huge Fedor fan, but I think your Biases are showing for Fedor more than me. TO think that Brock couldn't beat Fedor at all is just crazy IMO. I can see Fedor being brock with his experience and submissions, but I could also see Brock taking him down and either holding him there or hammerfisting his to a tko victory. YOur judgment can't be that clouded for Fedor can it?
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it's not clouded. i accepted that lesnar could take down and beat fedor with his wrestling. that's not out of the realm of reason. however, i'd still take fedor over brock if they fought. that doesn't make me a huge anything. someone has to win, i picked fedor.

 

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Originally posted by: GorgeousGeorge
Date: November 11, 2009 at 07:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

sho89mtx said:
GorgeousGeorge said:
man, you lost me when you said rogers was fat and then followed that up with werdum getting killed, yet overeem will be a "test".
first, let's ask overeem if werdum was a test.
second, rogers may not be all cut up, but he ain't fat. that's a big boy with a lot of mass. heck, fedor is fat then too and that hasn't seemed to matter in his last 32 fights. at that point, many would say mir was fat when he caught brock the first time.
third, werdum didn't get a lucky decision. he won 2/3 rounds unan. they were all close, but i didn't hear a rua/machida-esque backlash.
i can respect the fact that you might think lesnar could be a tough matchup for fedor and maybe even beat him (although i would still take fedor). but how you got to the conclusion, i didn't agree with.
fedor already cleaned out pride when they had the best heavies. just a year ago, many thought affliction had the best heavies and cleaned that out too. not his fault barnett didn't pass. and frankly, even if he goes to the ufc ... by the time he cleans that out (lesnar, carwin, dos santos and cain) ... there will be 5 other great young fighters somewhere else saying fedor is ducking them.
don't you get it? he's already the best ever. he's already had a better career than anyone else. anything from here on out is gravy for us fans. look at what lesnar would have to do to match fedor. literally go like 25-0 from this point forward. is your money on that happening?
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I think u misunderstood me GG. Yes I know Fedor is fat too and my point of calling Bret fat was that he's a fat 265lb, not a 265lbs with less than 8% body fat and is all muscle, like Brock. My point was in that statement that Brock has a lot more muscle than Bret and will be a heck of a lot strong, a way better wrestler and be able to power out just as good or maybe even better than bret did against Fedor. That's what scares me. Also I don't know why you have the love for Werdum like u do. I thought he lost that fight and I think Bigfoot would be more of a test for Fedor than Werdum. I think most people would agree with that too. As far as thinking Alistair isn't the best chance of beating Fedor in Strikeforce, I don't know how u could disagree with that statement. You have to realize the AListair your seeing in the past 2 years is a beast compared to the one that manhandle Paul Buentello for the belt. I can see him being mentally stupid and losing to a lot smarter Fedor, sure...but I could also see him over-powering Fedor and giving him a run for the money with a hard short and have the punchers chance, more so than Bret did IMO
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maaaan, overeem has been handled by 205'ers and you don't think fedor will do the same? i think fedor beats werdum too but he has an easier time with overeem.

 

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Originally posted by: EAJames
Date: November 11, 2009 at 08:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

A potential Fedor vs Brock fight wouldn't take place until 2011 at best, but ponder this question until than. Brock only has 3 UFC wins, how confident are you that Brock will run the table until than? Nog? Cain? Carwin? Dos Santos? Fedor has gone 30 fights straight, do you really believe Brock can match that?

 

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Originally posted by: John Morgan
Date: November 12, 2009 at 04:34 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

Brock can't even beat mono. How's he gonna beat Fedor?

 

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Originally posted by: Ph1sh
Date: November 12, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-did-awesome-but-i-can-see-brock-winning-now.19210/

GorgeousGeorge said:
Ph1sh said:
I don't think Fedor would be doomed, but based on how Rogers was able to control Fedor for the short time Fedor was on his back, I believe Lesnar could do even better. He controlled Mir in a way that was very impressive and with Brock's wrestling abilities, I think he would pose even more difficulties for Fedor while on his back
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i could see that. but based on lesnar not liking the knee that mir threw and immediately taking the fight to the ground, couldn't you see fedor laying him out? like i said earlier, we can go on all day with the scenarios. won't matter until they fight. and i don't think they're gonna ... at least until late 2011 maybe. heck, i don't even think lesnar will be champ by then.
gg
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I agree GG, It would scary for Brock to get close enough to Fedor without the striking that Rogers has. Fedor could KO him before he gets that close. Whenever Fedor fights, there will be talks about him vs. the other guys who could pose an issue which is why I think people like to talk about it.