Fedor Vs Alistair real close...the good and the bad...

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Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: July 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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I heard on TLOS yesterday that Fedor vs Alistair is real close and probably gonna happen now that Werdum is out for 2010 with elbow sugery. The good news for me is that SF said it will be a non-title fight because Fedor wont sign their new champion's clause for another fight which probably means Fedor and M-1 are seriously looking to fight in the UFC after this last fight on their contract. The bad news is he's fighting a beast right after his first real loss. This is the only non-UFC guy that has ever scared me to fight Fedor. Sure Alistair doesn't have a great chin and I've seen him get rocked many times, but he thew around and man-handled Bret Rogers like a rag doll and Fedor is about 40lbs lighter than him. This could actually be a chance for Fedor to go 0-2 and really make him look bad. Even if he goes out and destroys Alistair and then goes to the UFC, yeah that looks good, but most people don't have AListair in the top 5 of HW's and the fact Werdum still holds a win against him and will be in SF will stink for me.
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: July 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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Overeem hasn't fought a top contender in like 4 years. Don't be too impressed and buy into the hype with a win against 12 fight Brett Rogers. Yes Rogers looked decent against Fedor but in the end he ultimately lost so I wouldn't put him up as a top HW yet. Let's go back to the fact that Fedor is 31-2 and made a mistake against a sub specialist before we start panicking because you know Fedor isn't. It's not like he got KO'd or something.
 
Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: July 26, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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i'm just gonna focus on the good part and that SF must know something to make it a non-title fight and Fedor wont sign a champion's clause. I think that's actually a really good sign he's gonna jet to the UFC after his last fight
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: July 26, 2010 at 01:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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I think they are just watching their back but it's yet another horrible business decision. People will not care about as much about this fight if it's not for the title. I don't know why companies are so worried about having a vacated title...
 
Originally posted by: latinoheat2185
Date: July 26, 2010 at 01:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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i'm not a fan of having a champion fight and not defend the title.
unless a guy doesn't make weight the champion shouldn't be in non title fights.
if they can't have fedor add the champions contrct clause then don't have him fight the champion.
 
Originally posted by: Ph1sh
Date: July 26, 2010 at 01:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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Reckin007 said:
Overeem hasn't fought a top contender in like 4 years. Don't be too impressed and buy into the hype with a win against 12 fight Brett Rogers. Yes Rogers looked decent against Fedor but in the end he ultimately lost so I wouldn't put him up as a top HW yet. Let's go back to the fact that Fedor is 31-2 and made a mistake against a sub specialist before we start panicking because you know Fedor isn't. It's not like he got KO'd or something.
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You have to look at all aspects of Overeem. Maybe he has not fought a top contender, but he also fights the best strikers in K-1, and is considered one of the best himself. He is scary with his clinch and knees, has submissions under his belt, and could be considered the hungrier fighter of the two. Overeem can crumble from good shots, but he also has the ability to keep the distance and land huge shots. To your point regarding Fedor's record, and getting caught....I agree. BUT, Fedor has showed that he can be hit and damaged from less that top opponants in Rogers and AA, so you can't dispell the fact that a guy like Overeem has tools to win. I would say if Overeem and Werdum were to fight again, Overeem KO's him IMO. I honestly think if Overeem can land first vs Fedor, he can beat him.
 
Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: July 26, 2010 at 03:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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Ph1sh said:
You have to look at all aspects of Overeem. Maybe he has not fought a top contender, but he also fights the best strikers in K-1, and is considered one of the best himself. He is scary with his clinch and knees, has submissions under his belt, and could be considered the hungrier fighter of the two. Overeem can crumble from good shots, but he also has the ability to keep the distance and land huge shots. To your point regarding Fedor's record, and getting caught....I agree. BUT, Fedor has showed that he can be hit and damaged from less that top opponants in Rogers and AA, so you can't dispell the fact that a guy like Overeem has tools to win. I would say if Overeem and Werdum were to fight again, Overeem KO's him IMO. I honestly think if Overeem can land first vs Fedor, he can beat him.
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True but that being said I think most people thought Fedor was gonna KO Werdum in the 1st round too, but he got caught and we both know Overeem can get caught too in subs and has a weak chin. This fight scares me more because it's off his first loss. If Fedor destroyed Werdum and faught this fight, I wouldn't be as nervious about it. A lot can change when a fighter loses 2 fights in a row, they can go from a hero to a zero real quick no matter how good they are. I just hope Fedor brings his A game and doesn't under-estimate Overeem's strength and power shots
 
Originally posted by: TheREALOmoPlata
Date: July 26, 2010 at 04:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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This all comes down to whether or not Alistair can bully Fedor around, punish him in the clinch and smother him against the cage. I don't think Alistair can stand up to Fedors flurry's of strikes mixed with clinch takedowns. Fedor will probably take a bit of damage standing, eventually take Alistair down and just straight out beat on him. The ability to absorb punishment is not one of Alistairs strong suits and I think Fedor get's the TKO victory one way or another.
 
Originally posted by: Ph1sh
Date: July 26, 2010 at 04:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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Scott...this thread would have been much more epic if you would have come in saying, "Fedor by whatever he wants". You would have had us all busting out!
 
Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: July 26, 2010 at 05:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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Ph1sh said:
Scott...this thread would have been much more epic if you would have come in saying, "Fedor by whatever he wants". You would have had us all busting out!
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lol, i deserve that one. I think i'll be 80 years old and junkie people will still bring that up :lol:
 
Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: July 26, 2010 at 05:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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TheREALOmoPlata said:
This all comes down to whether or not Alistair can bully Fedor around, punish him in the clinch and smother him against the cage. I don't think Alistair can stand up to Fedors flurry's of strikes mixed with clinch takedowns. Fedor will probably take a bit of damage standing, eventually take Alistair down and just straight out beat on him. The ability to absorb punishment is not one of Alistairs strong suits and I think Fedor get's the TKO victory one way or another.
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I hope so, I like the way u think
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: July 26, 2010 at 11:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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Ph1sh said:
Reckin007 said:
Overeem hasn't fought a top contender in like 4 years. Don't be too impressed and buy into the hype with a win against 12 fight Brett Rogers. Yes Rogers looked decent against Fedor but in the end he ultimately lost so I wouldn't put him up as a top HW yet. Let's go back to the fact that Fedor is 31-2 and made a mistake against a sub specialist before we start panicking because you know Fedor isn't. It's not like he got KO'd or something.
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You have to look at all aspects of Overeem. Maybe he has not fought a top contender, but he also fights the best strikers in K-1, and is considered one of the best himself. He is scary with his clinch and knees, has submissions under his belt, and could be considered the hungrier fighter of the two. Overeem can crumble from good shots, but he also has the ability to keep the distance and land huge shots. To your point regarding Fedor's record, and getting caught....I agree. BUT, Fedor has showed that he can be hit and damaged from less that top opponants in Rogers and AA, so you can't dispell the fact that a guy like Overeem has tools to win. I would say if Overeem and Werdum were to fight again, Overeem KO's him IMO. I honestly think if Overeem can land first vs Fedor, he can beat him.
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Come on...if Fedor beat Werdum you would be saying the exact opposite. Fedor has been known to take damage pretty damn well and I don't think Overeem is subbing him anytime soon. When is the last time you saw Fedor stuck in the clinch? I knew this would happen when Fedor lost. It's not like he got KO'd, he's still the same unstoppable force except he's actually better now since he'll be extremely motivated to turn things around. Fedor is one of the strongest HW's out there p4p despite his physique so I don't see Overeem bullying him around the way he did Rogers. Even if he gets it to the ground in a similar fashion that he had Crocop I can see Fedor subbing him from the bottom.
There's no way Overeem is hungrier, guys been fighting cans the past 4 years (other than Mirko which I will say Overeem looked pretty good).
I'll say Fedor by decision or sub or KO in this one - anything he wants
 
Originally posted by: Fedorfan
Date: July 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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Reckin007 said:
I'll say Fedor by decision or sub or KO in this one - anything he wants
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I'm keeping you to this quote to play back if it doesn't work out, like u did me :lol:
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: July 27, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedor-vs-alistair-real-close-the-good-and-the-bad.28401/
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sho89mtx said:
Reckin007 said:
I'll say Fedor by decision or sub or KO in this one - anything he wants
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I'm keeping you to this quote to play back if it doesn't work out, like u did me :lol:
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hahaha that's fine, I thought it last time and I think it now. A motivated Fedor? are you kidding me? Who honestly has a chance?
 
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