Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad buisnes

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Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: December 27, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

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Jake Rossen talks about the tragi-comedy that has been M-1 Global's management of Fedor Emelianenko since the fall of Pride:
In ring years, Fedor is getting old.
MMA is not a sport for drifters. Herschel Walker will have gone a year between fights; Royce Gracie might fight in the summer after a four-year absence; Brandon Vera sat out for over a year while his contract was fought over and never looked the same. It's a casual attitude for something that reduces you to a primal state, and the results are usually less than impressive. Layoffs kill results and relaxation shouldn't be part of the curriculum. Either you're on the circuit or you're not. By becoming an inaction figure, Emelianenko is altering what he'll be able to accomplish for the duration of his career.
The slide in skill can be progressive, or it can be sudden. One minute Matt Hughes looks like the most dominant fighter in the welterweight division, and in the next he's being throttled by St. Pierre and Thiago Alves. Chuck Liddell looked ferocious until Quinton Jackson pulled his plug. These are abrupt changes.
We don't know if Emelianenko experienced that shift during the Fabricio Werdum fight, or if he's got more in him. Maybe 2010 was his body's last competitive year; maybe he could've taken care of business against Werdum or Alistair Overeem. But because of posturing, there is now a 10-month gap (minimum) for a celebrated fighter than he can never earn back.
I would argue that promoters and management never take a relaxed-state attitude toward contract negotiations. Layoffs cheat the fighter out of opportunities to perform with a capable body and cheat fans the chance to see them hash it out among their contemporaries.
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Kevin Iole (video with Steve Cofield) talked about some of the opportunities Fedor has missed in the past few years. In particular he waxes rhapsodic about what an early 2010 UFC title bout with Brock Lesnar -- possibly held in Dallas Cowboys Stadium -- would have meant for Fedor, Brock, the UFC and the sport of MMA.
It's easy to dismiss what might have been, but think on that bout for a moment. Brock would have been coming back from his illness after headlining UFC 100. His reputation was at an all-time high. Fedor would have been coming off of back-to-back KO wins over former UFC champs while in Affliction. With the UFC's hype machine behind it Fedor vs Brock would have galvanized fan and media imaginations like no other fight in MMA history. And now it's too late.
The mystiques of both fighters have been irreparably damaged. Almost as bad was M-1 Global's still inexplicable decision to sit out Strikeforce's April show on CBS. That decision pretty much doomed Strikeforce: Nashville to do terrible ratings and not get invited back for more network primetime television.
Fedor's incomparable legacy as the most accomplished fighter in MMA's young history cannot be taken away, but there is no indication that his current management team is even trying to productively build on that legacy.
 
Originally posted by: HBK42581
Date: December 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
Although I agree with mostly everything you said, I wouldn't say that Fedor's mystique was damaged as much as Brock's. Fedor got caught in a submission from one of the best BJJ's HW's in the world. Could happen to anyone. Brock, on the other hand, got pounded into submission and was made to look kinda silly. This is coming from a Brock fan and a Fedor (not)lover. "Hater" is too strong a word for how I feel about Fedor.
 
Originally posted by: roorippin
Date: December 27, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
I have said this before, But I would rather see fedor fight once a year for 3 more years than to see him fight 3 times this year and burn out. He has a lot of fights behind him, it is no suprise that he is slowing his pace down at the end of his career.
 
Originally posted by: Moranis
Date: December 27, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
roorippin said:
I have said this before, But I would rather see fedor fight once a year for 3 more years than to see him fight 3 times this year and burn out. He has a lot of fights behind him, it is no suprise that he is slowing his pace down at the end of his career.
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the problem is, his 1 fight a year isn't against the best in the world. If he was doing that, I would be fine with it, but he isn't doing that. He is fighting credible opponents, but not elite opponents.
 
Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: December 27, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
roorippin said:
I have said this before, But I would rather see fedor fight once a year for 3 more years than to see him fight 3 times this year and burn out. He has a lot of fights behind him, it is no suprise that he is slowing his pace down at the end of his career.
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I wouldn't mind once a year, if this drama and garbage wasn't surrounding it.
If M-1 said, "He will fight on this date, against this opponent", and that was that, then it wouldn't make a difference. Instead, its delay after delay of Fedor not fighting, for one stupid reason or another. So-and-so doesn't deserve to fight us. We want more money. We have to co-promote (but eat none of the costs of doing so).
I can't blame M-1 100% on this, as SF is also screwing around with getting people lined up for Fedor, and trying to get dates for fights. It seems that they can't get cards settled in until only a week in advance, and that doesn't even include injuries or anything.
 
Originally posted by: GoodCat
Date: December 27, 2010 at 01:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
I think the article in the quote box sums up a lot of fan's frustration with the whole Fedor situation. I know that is the case for me. I've been around long enough to have seen him fight and destroy the best, and I know what he is or maybe was at this point. So it's frustrating as an MMA fan to see a career cut short because of the scum of the MMA world in M-1 Global. Their greed is depriving fans from seeing the greatest MMA fighter to date compete in his last few years of being physically able to.
 
Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: December 27, 2010 at 01:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
It hurts to say, but I dont think Fedor wants to fight anymore. I think that just thinking that M-1 has total control over his career and Fedor doesnt have anything to do is foolish. Its time to face it, Fedor does not want to fight anymore... of course that doesnt take away everything he did on the past.
 
Originally posted by: ChaosGod
Date: December 27, 2010 at 03:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
HBK42581 said:
Although I agree with mostly everything you said, I wouldn't say that Fedor's mystique was damaged as much as Brock's. Fedor got caught in a submission from one of the best BJJ's HW's in the world. Could happen to anyone. Brock, on the other hand, got pounded into submission and was made to look kinda silly. This is coming from a Brock fan and a Fedor (not)lover. "Hater" is too strong a word for how I feel about Fedor.
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I really can't see how Brocks was damaged more then Fedors. Fedor is a ten year veteran, has had thirty plus fights on his contract and he tapped out in what just barely over a minute in the first round. His mystique was destroyed in that moment. Even if he comes back and wins a rematch with Werdum he still lost. Sure Brock was tko'd or what ever but Brock showed signs of that in his fight before and had already lost to Frank Mir once by being subbed. Brock is under ten fights in a 2-3 year span in all areas other then wrestling Brock is still very green.
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: December 27, 2010 at 04:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
bjj_rage said:
It hurts to say, but I dont think Fedor wants to fight anymore. I think that just thinking that M-1 has total control over his career and Fedor doesnt have anything to do is foolish. Its time to face it, Fedor does not want to fight anymore... of course that doesnt take away everything he did on the past.
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I agree. I think it's like Couture's situation. He's an older guy with a family, and if he had a choice, he'd make money doing something else other than fighting. He's said before, he fights because he needs to, not because he wants to. fighting is a job for him, and I think he's accomplished enough in his career that he's at that point where he just dgaf anymore.
 
Originally posted by: progress
Date: December 27, 2010 at 05:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
wolf said:
bjj_rage said:
It hurts to say, but I dont think Fedor wants to fight anymore. I think that just thinking that M-1 has total control over his career and Fedor doesnt have anything to do is foolish. Its time to face it, Fedor does not want to fight anymore... of course that doesnt take away everything he did on the past.
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I agree. I think it's like Couture's situation. He's an older guy with a family, and if he had a choice, he'd make money doing something else other than fighting. He's said before, he fights because he needs to, not because he wants to. fighting is a job for him, and I think he's accomplished enough in his career that he's at that point where he just dgaf anymore.
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Clearly its nothing like Couture's situation. Fedor is 34?. Couture is 48. Couture is done whether he wants it or not. Fedor still has a choice.
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: December 27, 2010 at 05:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
That's bulls---. Couture started in MMA about the age Fedor is now.
Fedor has wasted his prime years since Pride ended. Its an absolute farce.
 
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: December 27, 2010 at 05:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
TheVileOne said:
That's bulls**t. Couture started in MMA about the age Fedor is now.
Fedor has wasted his prime years since Pride ended. Its an absolute farce.
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Okay...but did Couture have 35 mixed martial arts fights at the age of 34? Absolutely not. For Fedor to compete until Couture's age, 47, would literally be a miracle. This may or may not come as a shock to you, but fighting takes a huge toll on the body. Fedor's body has been taking a lot of damage from all of his fights and this effects the body's ability to fight at a really high level. Sooner than later, he will begin to slow down. His prime is definitely not ahead of him. If anything I would argue he is still in it but for how long I do not know.
 
Originally posted by: Pandragon
Date: December 27, 2010 at 05:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
bjj_rage said:
It hurts to say, but I dont think Fedor wants to fight anymore. I think that just thinking that M-1 has total control over his career and Fedor doesnt have anything to do is foolish. Its time to face it, Fedor does not want to fight anymore... of course that doesnt take away everything he did on the past.
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I think this could be spot on. Fedor has never even been a fight fan. It was all business for him. He has never said or done anything to suggest he is concerned about any long term "legacy" in the sport. Now if he is "slowing" down the incentives for him to fight are not there, and unlike fighters like Liddell and Hughes, or even someone like Favre who's lives were CONSUMED and REVOLVED totally around their respective sports, I think Fedor's life just happened to include fighting, and once it is gone it wont be this gnawing void he has to scramble to fill.
I think he's ready to be done.
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: December 27, 2010 at 05:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
TheLethalLefty said:
Okay...but did Couture have 35 mixed martial arts fights at the age of 34? Absolutely not. For Fedor to compete until Couture's age, 47, would literally be a miracle. This may or may not come as a shock to you, but fighting takes a huge toll on the body. Fedor's body has been taking a lot of damage from all of his fights and this effects the body's ability to fight at a really high level. Sooner than later, he will begin to slow down. His prime is definitely not ahead of him. If anything I would argue he is still in it but for how long I do not know.
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Couture competing as long as he has and as old as he has, has LITERALLY been a miracle.
His prime is not ahead of him but he wasted his prime taking tomato can fights and fighting in pitiful organizations that had no idea or resources in promoting him properly.
 
Originally posted by: fishfryer
Date: December 27, 2010 at 05:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
Fedor could have easily fought whether or not he had a contract. Thats what lawyers are for, fight now, trial later. Pay off the managers. Simple, this happens everyday in the sports and entertainment world. He didn't fight either because the guys he are dealing with are more violent than he is or he didn't want to fight, it has nothing to do with money.
 
Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: December 27, 2010 at 06:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
TheLethalLefty said:
TheVileOne said:
That's bulls**t. Couture started in MMA about the age Fedor is now.
Fedor has wasted his prime years since Pride ended. Its an absolute farce.
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Okay...but did Couture have 35 mixed martial arts fights at the age of 34? Absolutely not. For Fedor to compete until Couture's age, 47, would literally be a miracle. This may or may not come as a shock to you, but fighting takes a huge toll on the body. Fedor's body has been taking a lot of damage from all of his fights and this effects the body's ability to fight at a really high level. Sooner than later, he will begin to slow down. His prime is definitely not ahead of him. If anything I would argue he is still in it but for how long I do not know.
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How could Couture of had 35 fights at that time? Couture didn't start MMA until into his mid 30s.
Difference is, Couture's damage came well after his physical peak. Fedor was taking most of it during that peak time.
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: December 27, 2010 at 07:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
chr said:
wolf said:
bjj_rage said:
It hurts to say, but I dont think Fedor wants to fight anymore. I think that just thinking that M-1 has total control over his career and Fedor doesnt have anything to do is foolish. Its time to face it, Fedor does not want to fight anymore... of course that doesnt take away everything he did on the past.
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I agree. I think it's like Couture's situation. He's an older guy with a family, and if he had a choice, he'd make money doing something else other than fighting. He's said before, he fights because he needs to, not because he wants to. fighting is a job for him, and I think he's accomplished enough in his career that he's at that point where he just dgaf anymore.
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Clearly its nothing like Couture's situation. Fedor is 34?. Couture is 48. Couture is done whether he wants it or not. Fedor still has a choice.
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Dude read my post before commenting on it. Did I say that Couture is like Fedor in Age? No, I said they were both "older" which they are. Many fighters are done at middleage. Also, I was correct in saying that it is like Couture's situation in that they are both over fighting at their age and would rather do something else to make money. That's absolutely correct, because I could post quotes from both of them stating they would rather do other things than fight. Clearly it's very much like Couture's situation. Stop focusing on particulars and look at the big picture. Having said that, I'd love to see couture fight Fedor before they both retire.
 
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: December 27, 2010 at 07:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
Tgilb2007 said:
TheLethalLefty said:
TheVileOne said:
That's bulls**t. Couture started in MMA about the age Fedor is now.
Fedor has wasted his prime years since Pride ended. Its an absolute farce.
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Okay...but did Couture have 35 mixed martial arts fights at the age of 34? Absolutely not. For Fedor to compete until Couture's age, 47, would literally be a miracle. This may or may not come as a shock to you, but fighting takes a huge toll on the body. Fedor's body has been taking a lot of damage from all of his fights and this effects the body's ability to fight at a really high level. Sooner than later, he will begin to slow down. His prime is definitely not ahead of him. If anything I would argue he is still in it but for how long I do not know.
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How could Couture of had 35 fights at that time? Couture didn't start MMA until into his mid 30s.
Difference is, Couture's damage came well after his physical peak. Fedor was taking most of it during that peak time.
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Not sure who you are agreeing with but I think there was a misunderstanding.
 
Originally posted by: ricrood
Date: December 27, 2010 at 07:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
Fedor's the Biggest Draw in MMA WorldWide..
 
Originally posted by: snakechamer
Date: December 27, 2010 at 07:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/fedors-prime-years-are-being-wasted-away-due-to-bad-buisnes.33661/

Re: Fedor's prime years are being wasted away due to bad bui
Fedor is like a girl who likes you but is playing hard to get too much... at some point you say "this is stupid/pointless" and you move on.
 
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