Forum Feedback and Troll Graveyard 2.0

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Performify
Date: October 08, 2009 at 04:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Continuation of the previous [dotcom=http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3305]Troll Graveyard[/dotcom], restarted for size and to hopefully bring a new, more positive tone.
Purpose of this thread: provide a place for constructive criticism, to enable more direct communication between the admins and mods and the users, and to help identify people (or even topics) that are causing problems and need action.
As always, I'd urge people to review [dotcom=http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1650]the rules[/dotcom] and to use the reporting function. This thread isn't meant as a substitute for reporting posts or people that break the rules.
-P

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: October 08, 2009 at 04:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Roger that P.
I think the forum at the moment is problem free. Lots of good conversation and has been civil for a few weeks. Unless I am missing something?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: October 08, 2009 at 04:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

ACOGSCOPE said:
Roger that P.
I think the forum at the moment is problem free. Lots of good conversation and has been civil for a few weeks. Unless I am missing something?
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I gotta agree with this accept for the blackbelt fiasco you started, Acog(I'm totally kidding :lol: )

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FURY187
Date: October 08, 2009 at 04:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

good idea.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Seawall
Date: October 08, 2009 at 04:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

-P, when we report posts, is there any we can be informed what action was taken? I know we get notified that the report has been closed, but maybe we could be told that a warning has been handed out, or a user banned, or even "nothing was done". I think something like that would help some posters feel that their act of reporting a post is actually doing some good.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: October 08, 2009 at 04:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Sedulous said:
ACOGSCOPE said:
Roger that P.
I think the forum at the moment is problem free. Lots of good conversation and has been civil for a few weeks. Unless I am missing something?
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I gotta agree with this accept for the blackbelt fiasco you started, Acog(I'm totally kidding :lol: )
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Im glad you know I mean well. You know I am not trolling haha!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: October 08, 2009 at 04:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

ACOGSCOPE said:
Sedulous said:
ACOGSCOPE said:
Roger that P.
I think the forum at the moment is problem free. Lots of good conversation and has been civil for a few weeks. Unless I am missing something?
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I gotta agree with this accept for the blackbelt fiasco you started, Acog(I'm totally kidding :lol: )
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Im glad you know I mean well. You know I am not trolling haha!
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Ya it doesn't matter to me, I'm enjoying the discussion. BTW I looked up Red Schafer's BJJ credentials and he had one of the greatest teachers ever in Pedro Sauer. Very cool that you get to train along side him. I hope he pull off the win against Bader.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Performify
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Seawall said:
-P, when we report posts, is there any we can be informed what action was taken? I know we get notified that the report has been closed, but maybe we could be told that a warning has been handed out, or a user banned, or even "nothing was done". I think something like that would help some posters feel that their act of reporting a post is actually doing some good.
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I think people should understand any time they report a post, 100% of the time that report is read by a mod or an admin, and the guidelines to the moderators say that any time the mods take action on a report other than moving a post, they're supposed to issue a formal warning and follow the pre-set warning punishments. Every act of reporting a post is absolutely doing some good. Not all reported posts require moderator action -- a lot of times on a second look from an impartial person what the reporter thinks is a big deal is not really deemed that big of a deal. But the action of reporting still puts a note on that person's account, so that they can be evaluated later in terms of "well, maybe they've only been warned twice, but they've had five other posts reported that were borderline" /etc.
I'm just not sure how to make that feedback loop more immediate, or if it's worth the overhead on the mod team to try to accomplish it, as it would have to be a manual process, and I believe it would be imposing a tremendously increased responsibility on the moderation team, as the only way I'd see to do it is to manually compose a PM to the reporter of the post and tell them the results of the action taken.
How important do you think that is, and what does everyone else think, etc?
-P

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: pilqs
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

I for one am all for that, -P. A PM from a mod/admin letting you know what action has been taken for a reported post would most likley be welcomed by the masses.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

^^ i like to know if someone i reported is being punished.
if it takes a bunch of work or money on your part, i don't see how it would be worth it to you as a business man though. not the hugest deal. maybe just a post in this thread
ie this quote i made up
performify said:
grapple i banned NPD based on that post you reported
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Seawall
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

I'm sure there's a way to automate it. Somehow tie the report (incident) to the resolution (fix). So when you read the report, you could click one of several options (ban, warn, ignore, delete offending post), which would automatically send a resolution email to the person that made the report.
I'm sure this would take a good amount of investment (either a time investment, paying a programmer, or purchasing a software package), so it's probably cost-prohibitive. But I think something along this line would alleviate a lot of the confusion.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FamilyGuy
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

I have a question...
When we see someone's post has been modified ie [
Deleted - Spam
], is that text that gets inserted manually written by a Mod or admin? Or is it automatic with a click of the mouse?
I've seen some Doozies that made me laugh, more than a little.
And also, you mentioned that whenever an action is taken on a member, they automatically get some sort of a warning. I've only had one warning that I know of (from Brick...lol) and I did get a PM for it.
I guess what I am asking is... I've had like 4 threads locked up in the past couple of weeks... is that 4 warnings as well? Or would I have been PMd if that was the case?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

FamilyGuy said:
I have a question...
When we see someone's post has been modified ie [
Deleted - Spam
], is that text that gets inserted manually written by a Mod or admin? Or is it automatic with a click of the mouse?
I've seen some Doozies that made me laugh, more than a little.
And also, you mentioned that whenever an action is taken on a member, they automatically get some sort of a warning. I've only had one warning that I know of (from Brick...lol) and I did get a PM for it.
I guess what I am asking is... I've had like 4 threads locked up in the past couple of weeks... is that 4 warnings as well? Or would I have been PMd if that was the case?
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2nd warning- 1 day ban
3rd - 3 day ban
4th - 7 days
you'd know if you had 4 warnings

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Performify
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Seawall said:
I'm sure there's a way to automate it. Somehow tie the report (incident) to the resolution (fix). So when you read the report, you could click one of several options (ban, warn, ignore, delete offending post), which would automatically send a resolution email to the person that made the report.
I'm sure this would take a good amount of investment (either a time investment, paying a programmer, or purchasing a software package), so it's probably cost-prohibitive. But I think something along this line would alleviate a lot of the confusion.
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It's definitely possible to do, essentially anything is possible when you're talking the realm of software, but you're exactly right, unless an existing module for the forum software exists, we'd have to develop one (and be responsible for its upkeep with future releases of the forum software) and I really doubt we'd do something like that unless it's just an absolute top priority.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, the forums are really not a significant revenue source, so our extremely limited resources are typically going to be focused elsewhere where there is bigger return on investment.
People may not realize the scale off-hand, but there's about a 5000:1 ratio of readers of every story on Junkie for every single person who actually comments on the story. There's I believe there is a similar ratio of website commenters to forum commenters.
-P

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Andre3000
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Can we have referendums about whether someone should be banned?
I'm not saying it should be done based on a simple majority... but how about a 2/3 super majority?
I'm not sure how populism fits in with libertarian ideals.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Performify
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

FamilyGuy said:
I have a question...
When we see someone's post has been modified ie [
Deleted - Spam
], is that text that gets inserted manually written by a Mod or admin? Or is it automatic with a click of the mouse?
I've seen some Doozies that made me laugh, more than a little.
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It's manual, and yeah sometimes people have some fun with it.
And also, you mentioned that whenever an action is taken on a member, they automatically get some sort of a warning. I've only had one warning that I know of (from Brick...lol) and I did get a PM for it.
I guess what I am asking is... I've had like 4 threads locked up in the past couple of weeks... is that 4 warnings as well? Or would I have been PMd if that was the case?
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Like grapple said, you'd know if you had a warning, you'd get an explicit warning PM from the system.
Not all thread lockages warrant a warning -- if it's a case of a duplicate thread that doesn't need to be merged, you're not going to get warned. If its a case where the thread de-rails and its locked, usually the people who derail the thread are going to get warned. Sometimes a thread is locked pre-emtively, i.e. no one has broken the rules yet but things appear to be headed in a bad direction, in which case it's not usually a formal warning but will usually be an informal warning, either in the thread or by PM.
When I say "moderator action" i really mean using a specific set of tools available to the mods to edit posts, delete posts, etc. Moving, closing threads usually is just more of an administrative issue (redundancy, etc) than anything else.
-P

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Performify
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Andre3000 said:
Can we have referendums about whether someone should be banned?
I'm not saying it should be done based on a simple majority... but how about a 2/3 super majority?
I'm not sure how populism fits in with libertarian ideals.
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One of the larger forums on the net of which I'm affiliated used to do "survivor"-style challenges where problem posters could go head to head and one would be voted out. It was typically used as a tool where a popular poster would challenge a controversial poster to a survival pool and the loser who was voted out had to leave. I.e, for example, you and TWSjams would have been ideal candidates under that system.
That process was eventually abandoned for a variety of reasons, but it was both effective and amusing for a while.
I believe ultimately that forums should generally be run by the people that inhabit them. That's why this forum is built around the concept of community moderation and a very small set of baseline rules which are generally enforced by the community. Obviously there are certain decisions which need to be made by the administrators, but outside of those areas, I'm generally fine with the concept of popular opinion being mostly responsible for policy, as long as it doesn't end up being widely abused.
That said, diversity is the spice of life. If the forum rallies and railroads everyone that it disagrees with out of town, things might be more peaceful, but there would ultimately likely be significantly less discussion. You can't have a debate without someone interesting in voicing a dissenting opinion.
-P

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Seawall
Date: October 08, 2009 at 06:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

-P, remember that time when I reported one of your posts? (Man, that was funny, wasn't it?) You took a voluntary 3 day leave after that. Did you issue yourself a formal warning. Defcon 1 for -P?
Back on topic, 5000:1 for main page hits vs. forum hits. Are your page views public knowledge? Not because I don't believe you, I'm just curious how many views you get each day.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Performify
Date: October 08, 2009 at 07:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Seawall said:
Are your page views public knowledge? Not because I don't believe you, I'm just curious how many views you get each day.
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We don't publish our pageviews directly or anything. There are a variety of commercial marketing research services that estimate traffic (comscore, etc) which do so relatively accurately (and several which are free which publish much less accurate data).
We currently push approximately 15 million pageviews a month on the main site, and right around a million pageviews per month on the forums. However, the website drives a signficiantly dispropriatate number of unique users, approximately 100:1 (which is what really matters for monetization purposes).
Obviously being event-driven our traffic varies greatly month to month based on number of events, etc.
Also, just want to point out that the 5000:1 number was re: website readers to website commenters, and then i was saying there was a similar 5000:1 ratio from website commenters to forum commenters. Not pageviews. The forums get a million pageviews a month but not remotely a million posts a month, etc. Just trying to point out that the number of people who comment on the site is significantly smaller than the readership, and the number of people commenting on the forums significantly smaller still.
Seawall said:
-P, remember that time when I reported one of your posts? (Man, that was funny, wasn't it?) You took a voluntary 3 day leave after that. Did you issue yourself a formal warning. Defcon 1 for -P?
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I actually intended on taking an indefinite voluntary leave from posting, but I believe my hand was forced due to the tumult that happened when the A3k banning became a public issue for some reason.
If you'll notice, I've almost completely curtailed personal posting since, except for a very few, very bland posts.
I did not issue myself a formal warning, but believe you me, I don't need a warning on my record to remember that debacle.
-P

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FamilyGuy
Date: October 08, 2009 at 07:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/forum-feedback-and-troll-graveyard-2-0.18292/

Performify said:
That said, diversity is the spice of life. If the forum rallies and railroads everyone that it disagrees with out of town, things might be more peaceful, but there would ultimately likely be significantly less discussion. You can't have a debate without someone interesting in voicing a dissenting opinion.
-P
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Reading that post made Nick_Havok pop into my head. Man that guy got on my nerves sometimes, but I think based on what you just mentioned, he was a very entertaining poster in these forums. And you have to admire the fact that even though he was banned from the forums... he still "Entertains" in the main board.
I would love to see him back. Any chance of that at all? I loved the guy at times, hated the guy at times, but he was ALWAYS entertaining.