Originally posted by: Oldwardog
Date: April 26, 2012 at 05:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/full-mount-athletics-mma-p4p-list-as-of-4-25-2012.46303/
coreymb said:
Overeem beat two top 10 opponents most recently. And it appears that Brock had one foot out the door. Still impressive to beat two guys back to back that are ranked. Anyways, Before that what has Overeem done in mma that has been so impressive? Being a kickboxing champion doesn't help his case for p4p rankings. Look at who Reem beat to become the Dream(Duffee) and SF(Buentello) Champion. They my as well just gave the dude the belt(s). I feel the same way with Lombard. The dude is clearly talented, and he has more of a case for p4p rankings simply due to the fact that if you look at raw natural abilities, he's a stud. But, he's destroying guys that he should be. He's not beating ranked opponents over and over like most of the other p4p guys.
It's all about who you fight, their rankings, your dominance and most will also look at when you take away weight/size and just look at natural abilities. It's all subjective, but I do the same thing. Overeem has improved his striking, but you take away the guys size/power and that takes A LOT away from him. Very solid striker + decent jitz, not sure how that equates him even close to p4p rankings.
Overall, I do agree with the rest. May flip a few here and there, but not bad.
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Saved me a lot of typing just there Corey! I'll add in that one reason I do not consider him PfP is when he was fighting at 205 he was a joke and thats where most of his losses come from, when he was actually fighting top 205ers not washed up or never was contender HWs. His K1 is completely undeniable though.
Yes Mike I do not consider Rashad a top PfP. He is vastly improved over his stint on TUF but as has been shown in so many fights he hypes like hell then does not deliver add in that he has not beaten a true 205 contender in 4 years when he beat Forrest and you have my case. He is never going to be anything at HW and would be hard pressed to beat many of the top 5-7 at 185. Hell man his wins lately have been over past primes like Tito and Rampage, a rookie in Davis and a 2-3-1 in his last 5 fights Thiago Silva whos only win was against Jardine.
