Gary Shaw: "I was watching mma with my son back when Dana wa

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Originally posted by: Dan0
Date: March 12, 2008 at 07:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Gary Shaw: "I was watching mma with my son back when Dana was selling used cars."
By Jason Perkins | March 12, 2008
WrestlingOnTap.com had an opportunity to have a quick chat with EliteXC's Gary Shaw fresh of his return trip from England about the comments recently made by Dana White. Here's what Gary had to say:
"First of all Dana should be ashamed of using that type of language. There is no reason for it. Dana thinks that he invented the sport of mma. He is very lucky that he had rich friends in the Fertitta's to fund the sport, the Fertitta's are great I would never say otherwise about them. And even more lucky that SPIKE TV bailed him out of a $35 million deficit. It's no wonder that fighters, like Tito Ortiz and others are fed up with him. Dana doesn't care about the fighters and treating them well. He doesn't care about growing the sport, he only cares about the UFC. We're (EliteXC) are trying to grow the sport and treat our fighters well."
"Dana is the type of guy that if he owned a gas station, he wouldn't want any other gas stations in America, that's just the type of guy he is. That's the type of ego he has."
"As far as Dana saying that I was never a fan of mixed martial arts, ask him to produce articles or tape on me saying the things he said I said. It can't happen. I was watching mma with my son back when Dana was selling used cars or whatever he was doing before the UFC. I never belittle any sport or organization, that's not my style."
When asked about Fedor Emelianenko:
"We would love to have Fedor with our organization. But Fedor and his people need to be realistic about what they are asking for. He hasn't had a top fight in awhile. He needs to get back to fighting top competition. In the United States out of sight is out of mind."
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http://www.fightline.com/news/2008/312/elitexc_318572.shtml
Didn't see tgis posted any where and thought you guys might like it.
 
Originally posted by: Nick_Havok
Date: March 12, 2008 at 08:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Yeah, I read that too today on another site. Thanks for posting it Dan0.
I thought it was a great read and I rather enjoyed it.
I mean you got a well spoken, level headed guy like Gary Shaw on one side and on the other side you have a childish, foul mouthed Dana White.
It's no secret which guy I respect more and who I would like to see have success in the years to come.
 
Originally posted by: ModestMMA
Date: March 12, 2008 at 09:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Hmm, well i do have to agree with Havok in saying that Mr.Shaw is certainly better spoken than Dana White. However, I do not know the truth of what Shaw said in the article. We shall find out in time, I suspect.
 
Originally posted by: valheruking
Date: March 12, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Danas response is sure to provide lols
 
Originally posted by: Showdown
Date: March 12, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

If it wasnt for the "Used car salesman" gary shaw would be an intern for Vince McMahon. Before Dana White,mma was slipping into a coma...Give respect where its due...
 
Originally posted by: Phenom
Date: March 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

I don't know what Shaw is saying about Dana White having nothing to do with MMA before he had the fertittas buy it. He was the manager of Chuck and Tito's careers before he was the UFC president. Before that though he was a boxercise instructor in Vegas or something like that.
 
Originally posted by: valheruking
Date: March 13, 2008 at 01:25 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Showdown said:
If it wasnt for the "Used car salesman" gary shaw would be an intern for Vince McMahon.
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Wouldn't he be promoting boxers?
 
Originally posted by: Theregulater
Date: March 13, 2008 at 01:30 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

If it wasn't for Dana white mma would not be what it is today
most fans wouldn't even know the sport exists if it wasn't for White
 
Originally posted by: HISTORY
Date: March 13, 2008 at 01:46 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Nick_Havok said:
Yeah, I read that too today on another site. Thanks for posting it Dan0.
I thought it was a great read and I rather enjoyed it.
I mean you got a well spoken, level headed guy like Gary Shaw on one side and on the other side you have a childish, foul mouthed Dana White.
It's no secret which guy I respect more and who I would like to see have success in the years to come.
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Wow I can tell who's side you like more or if you are biased there or not.
Gary Shaw well spoken? Haha, right.
And I doubt Gary Shaw has been watching before 2001 MMA when he thinks Dana was selling used cars. Dana was actually a manager for huge up and comers before 2001 for guys like Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz I believe before he made Zuffa buy it.
And also Dana White has brought the sport to far more success than Gary Shaw ever has in North America.
 
Originally posted by: robot_monkey
Date: March 13, 2008 at 06:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Dana, despite being despised by some, will succeed selling cage fighting because he is an attraction as well. The demographic he is selling to admires his behavior.
 
Originally posted by: Nick_Havok
Date: March 13, 2008 at 07:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

HISTORY said:
Gary Shaw well spoken? Haha, right.
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Maybe you care to explain your reasoning on how he is NOT well spoken.
Or was "Haha, right" your entire counter arguement?
 
Originally posted by: EnderWiggin
Date: March 13, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Let's break down some of what Gary has to say:
First of all Dana should be ashamed of using that type of language. There is no reason for it.
Personal attack on Dana. A rather pointless one at that. Dana knows he uses foul language. He thinks it sells. I don't like it, but Gary is showing he's no better than Dana on the "getting personal" front.
Dana thinks that he invented the sport of mma.
Another personal attack. This one completely fictional. But he manages to state it as a fact, tricking most readers into accepting it without thinking, thereby smearing Dana.
He is very lucky that he had rich friends in the Fertitta's to fund the sport, the Fertitta's are great I would never say otherwise about them. And even more lucky that SPIKE TV bailed him out of a $35 million deficit.
Still attacking Dana. He twists and omits facts to try to fly underneath people's bs detectors. He uses the magic word LUCK twice in such context that it's easily acceptable. Who wouldn't be lucky to have rich friends? Who wouldn't be lucky to get out from 35 mil in debt? So many lemmings will accept what he said without thinking. But in fact, Dana convinced people to make a smart investment that has paid off big time for all parties involved, including the fighters, the Fertittas, Spike, and the fans. Spike didn't bail anyone out of anything. They made a deal that has made them money. Dana is the one who saw the potential. And Dana has been instrumental in making the sport popular and profitable for the promoters, the fighters, and the fans. That was not luck. That was vision and talent.
It's no wonder that fighters, like Tito Ortiz and others are fed up with him.
Yes, some whiny cry babies that don't think they're rich enough are mad at Dana because he won't give them what they want. What about the vast majority who seem more than happy?
Dana doesn't care about the fighters and treating them well.
Baseless accusation. States it as a fact hoping lemmings will accept it without thinking. Provide some evidence? As counter evidence, I present unofficial locker room bonuses and steadily increasing salaries accross the board, not to mention numerous quotes along the lines of "The UFC treats me great. I love the UFC. The UFC is where I want to be" from many fighters.
He doesn't care about growing the sport, he only cares about the UFC.
What?! All he's done is grow the sport! Who else would have attacked the European market so early in the game and so aggresively? Who else would have gotten the sport on free tv, which is 95% respoinsible for the sports growth. No one.
We're (EliteXC) are trying to grow the sport and treat our fighters well.
Please provide some evidence of how you treat fighters better than Dana and the UFC and of how you are growing the sport more than Dana and the UFC. You got a television deal because you're basically owned by the television station. That's not going out of your way to grow the sport more so than the UFC. That's called smart business, and being owned by the right people.
As far as Dana saying that I was never a fan of mixed martial arts, ask him to produce articles or tape on me saying the things he said I said. It can't happen. I was watching mma with my son back when Dana was selling used cars or whatever he was doing before the UFC.
So you ask for Dana to provide proof of a statement, then follow that up with a horribly inaccurate, unsupported statement. Nice. Why don't you provide some proof. Show me a pay stub from a used car dealership with Dana's name on it dated the same month that you can produce a receipt for an MMA purchase.
I never belittle any sport or organization, that's not my style.
Wasn't this entire little speach all about belittleing Dana, and by association, the UFC? WTF?
Bottom line, the guy's a slime ball, talking out of both sides of his mouth, presenting falacies as facts and knowing that if even 10% of people believe the hypocrisies and lies coming out of his mouth that it's a win for him. I guess that makes him a typical American business man, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't mind so much that he says these things. He's only human. It's just frustrating how many people will buy every word of it hook, line and sinker.
 
Originally posted by: EnderWiggin
Date: March 13, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Wow, that was way long. Sorry.
 
Originally posted by: Nick_Havok
Date: March 13, 2008 at 08:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Yeah you are right, that was long.
I read the the first couple sentences, saw where you were going with it and quit reading.
I mean if your going to accuse Gary Shaw of 'personally attacking' Dana because he says there is no reason for him to curse all the time then I don't really care to read the rest of what you have to say.
I mean if the first couple lines don't make sense why would I waste my time reading more stuff that is completely absurd?
 
Originally posted by: HISTORY
Date: March 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Gary Shaw also doesn't know too much about the UFC saying Dana was selling used cars and he was watching pretty much in the SEG days. I highly doubt that.
And saying SpikeTV bailed them out of being bankrupt is retarded he obviously knows little to none about the UFC history.
 
Originally posted by: Nick_Havok
Date: March 13, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

HISTORY said:
Gary Shaw also doesn't know too much about the UFC saying Dana was selling used cars and he was watching pretty much in the SEG days. I highly doubt that.
And saying SpikeTV bailed them out of being bankrupt is retarded he obviously knows little to none about the UFC history.
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Since you are the expert why don't you fill us in on whar REALLY happened.
 
Originally posted by: valheruking
Date: March 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

HISTORY said:
Gary Shaw also doesn't know too much about the UFC saying Dana was selling used cars and he was watching pretty much in the SEG days. I highly doubt that.
And saying SpikeTV bailed them out of being bankrupt is retarded he obviously knows little to none about the UFC history.
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I doubt he doesn't actually know these things, just part of the general back and forth bad mouthing between the two.
 
Originally posted by: Showdown
Date: March 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

valheruking said:
Showdown said:
If it wasnt for the "Used car salesman" gary shaw would be an intern for Vince McMahon.
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Wouldn't he be promoting boxers?
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Boxings dying. More money in other ventures... Hence Mayweather wrastlin' rather than fight Sugar Shane...
 
Originally posted by: Ace23
Date: March 13, 2008 at 02:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

Shaw is actually clever in what he says.
I like the verbal exchanges. The bottom line is he is milking MMA, and Dana is right about that.
He was a boxing promoter, ditched that to get in on the cash cow.
But I do like Shaw for giving "Bird" a chance to fight in the ring instead of backyards.
 
Originally posted by: mrducks
Date: October 02, 2024 at 09:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/gary-shaw-i-was-watching-mma-with-my-son-back-when-dana-wa.181/

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