getting sick of the amateur fights from SF cards

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: casas
Date: October 18, 2010 at 03:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

i love SF and i want them to get more succes and better ratings but if they continue to make moves like putting amateur fights in his preliminar cards well people will continue to not tak them like a serious MMA promotion
they had alot of figthers under contract, also leave the amateur fights to amateur promotions, for god sake the lower MMA promotions dont do that but SF continue to do it
put his figthers to fight or find more profesional figthers and leave the amateur to amateur people or the MMA comunity will continue to not pay atention on them as a serious MMA promotion, instead they are looking at a low MMA promotion seudo profesional with amateur moves

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: jvillain
Date: October 18, 2010 at 05:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

They only put amateurs on the challengers under cards. They use the local fight clubs to promote the show and sell tickets as well as helping with some of the organizing. This gives them great connections with the local clubs. No one other than locals ever see the fights on the challengers under cards so your rant is meaningless. Mean while some local fighters get to have a fight on a bigger show than they normally would. At the same time Strikeforce gets to scout the local amateurs. They don't have to pay big money for the under card so they can keep ticket prices lower and go to smaller cities than a promotion of that size normally could. The clubs also get money for helping to sell tickets which helps to support the fighters. It's a win, win all around.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Moranis
Date: October 18, 2010 at 05:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

I don't have a problem with amateurs on their cards, my problem with it is that almost the entire preliminary card is amateurs, thus if you go to a Challenger's series, you only get like 4 or 5 fights of mid-level (at best) professional fights and then a bunch of amateurs (which can be just awful fights). They need to put some professionals on the undercard, maybe do 5 amateur, 5 pro, and then the 4 main card fights. That just works out better.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: October 18, 2010 at 05:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

yeah I dont have a problem with amateurs in the undercard of challenger series.......they are giving local fighters a chance and seeing future prospects talent.....good idea IMO, I enjoy going to amateur fights

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: gsbgsb09
Date: October 18, 2010 at 06:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

Hitman21 said:
yeah I dont have a problem with amateurs in the undercard of challenger series.......they are giving local fighters a chance and seeing future prospects talent.....good idea IMO, I enjoy going to amateur fights
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fedor_is_god
Date: October 18, 2010 at 07:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

How about the fact that SF is just now confirming the rest of Friday's card? Wow, a whole days before. :shock:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: October 18, 2010 at 09:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

jvillain said:
They only put amateurs on the challengers under cards. They use the local fight clubs to promote the show and sell tickets as well as helping with some of the organizing. This gives them great connections with the local clubs. No one other than locals ever see the fights on the challengers under cards so your rant is meaningless. Mean while some local fighters get to have a fight on a bigger show than they normally would. At the same time Strikeforce gets to scout the local amateurs. They don't have to pay big money for the under card so they can keep ticket prices lower and go to smaller cities than a promotion of that size normally could. The clubs also get money for helping to sell tickets which helps to support the fighters. It's a win, win all around.
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WRONG. i was at strikeforce noons vs diaz there was 6 amatuer fights i almost fell asleep

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: casas
Date: October 18, 2010 at 10:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
jvillain said:
They only put amateurs on the challengers under cards. They use the local fight clubs to promote the show and sell tickets as well as helping with some of the organizing. This gives them great connections with the local clubs. No one other than locals ever see the fights on the challengers under cards so your rant is meaningless. Mean while some local fighters get to have a fight on a bigger show than they normally would. At the same time Strikeforce gets to scout the local amateurs. They don't have to pay big money for the under card so they can keep ticket prices lower and go to smaller cities than a promotion of that size normally could. The clubs also get money for helping to sell tickets which helps to support the fighters. It's a win, win all around.
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WRONG. i was at strikeforce noons vs diaz there was 6 amatuer fights i almost fell asleep
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exactly my point, they are doing it not just on the challenger under cards
also i dont acept that in his challenger cards since there are a tons of amateur promotions that are doing that, small promotions dont put amateur fights into his preliminar cards (shark fights, shine fights, MFC, etc...) why strikeforce continue to do it when they had alot of figthers under contract or if they want to give more chances to more local figthers there are a good number of profesional figthers available in the places that they are putting his shows and there are others that doesnt fight with them even tought they have fights left in his contracts.
to me this is an amateur move, and they are not an amateur promotion

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmablaster
Date: October 19, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

Yeah, Strikeforce should be pro only. At least get guys making their debuts and pay them 500 to show, 500 to win. Completely pointless to have amateur fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TankDaddy08
Date: October 19, 2010 at 12:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
jvillain said:
They only put amateurs on the challengers under cards. They use the local fight clubs to promote the show and sell tickets as well as helping with some of the organizing. This gives them great connections with the local clubs. No one other than locals ever see the fights on the challengers under cards so your rant is meaningless. Mean while some local fighters get to have a fight on a bigger show than they normally would. At the same time Strikeforce gets to scout the local amateurs. They don't have to pay big money for the under card so they can keep ticket prices lower and go to smaller cities than a promotion of that size normally could. The clubs also get money for helping to sell tickets which helps to support the fighters. It's a win, win all around.
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WRONG. i was at strikeforce noons vs diaz there was 6 amatuer fights i almost fell asleep
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You didn't like the spinning back fist ko? the arm triangle that put that dude to sleep? the HW fight at the end with them just going at it?
I have no problem with these young true up and comers getting some shine on prelims that no one besides the crowd is gonna see.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: casas
Date: October 19, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

mmablaster said:
Yeah, Strikeforce should be pro only. At least get guys making their debuts and pay them 500 to show, 500 to win. Completely pointless to have amateur fights.
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exactly and they had alot of figthers with those contracts, why not use them and show to the fans that there is more fighters out there in his roster that are profesionals.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Noodles4-LJ4
Date: October 19, 2010 at 02:57 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

SF pockets aren't that deep, so they have to put amateur fights on. Plus their only on SF Challenger so get over it and don't go to their events.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: October 19, 2010 at 03:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

I honestly don't give two shits about Strikeforce except for a handful of fighters. Every other fight I watch becuase I just like to watch fights, amateur or pro.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: casas
Date: October 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

Noodles4-LJ4 said:
SF pockets aren't that deep, so they have to put amateur fights on. Plus their only on SF Challenger so get over it and don't go to their events.
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are you sure about those two things that you said here?
well here is two facts, SF has over 150 figthers under contract alot of them are mid to low level profesional figthers so they do have deep in his roster to fill the preliminar cards on them insted of amateur fights, if not there are like a million of profesional figthers without a contract that you can get for 500 to show or something like that and build around it.
two well if they only use that for the challenger series still will not be ok but it would not be so annoying, go out there and check out for yourself but they do use this amateur fights for other events.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: jvillain
Date: October 19, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

WRONG. i was at strikeforce noons vs diaz there was 6 amatuer fights i almost fell asleep
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Why don't you actually say the whole story.
The advertised card had 4 fights up at the top. I hope you are not going to make me prove that these are all pro fighters? You never know with the haters.
The undercard was
James Terry vs. David Marshall
Ron Keslar vs. Josh McDonald
Jess Bouscal vs. Luis Mendoza
Are you claiming that any of these fighters are amateurs? Which ones?
That was the advertised card. That is what you paid for. If you got some bonus fights on top of it, well good for you. What are you bitching about?
I had to dig forever to even find any word about what those amateur fights were. Turns out they were the bay area finals for the CAMO tournament. So Strikeforce had a building rented, a cage set up, CSAC officials lined up and paid for and they let an amateur organization hold their regional finals there rather than making them pay for a building, officials etc on their own. Those bastards!!! Those amateurs should have to pay damn it!!!
http://www.examiner.com/mma-in-stockton/first-ever-californian-amateur-mma-tournament?render=print
Ya, I have seen Dana shiting on amateur fighters as well and I assume you think you have to since Dana does. If you don't help the amateurs get started where are the future fighters coming from? Mean while Strikeforce has met some fighters and built some good will with the clubs and the amateur community. How dare they?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Noodles4-LJ4
Date: October 19, 2010 at 02:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

casas said:
are you sure about those two things that you said here?
well here is two facts, SF has over 150 figthers under contract alot of them are mid to low level profesional figthers so they do have deep in his roster to fill the preliminar cards on them insted of amateur fights, if not there are like a million of profesional figthers without a contract that you can get for 500 to show or something like that and build around it.
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I see you what are getting at but look amateur fights don't paid so SF doesn't have to pay them that how they save a little bit of money. SF can't have every mid-level fighter on a card because the price of the card go's up and then SF isn't making money. SF isn't making 2.5 to 3.5 million off ticket sales like UFC does for every event. The money that SF/UFC gets of gate/ticket sales thats the money they use to pay fighters, thats why you even see the UFC doesn't sack their cards too much with fighters who get paid alot. Then mid or low level fighter has a price that they would SF to met and what if SF doesn't want to pay that or can't.
casas said:
two well if they only use that for the challenger series still will not be ok but it would not be so annoying, go out there and check out for yourself but they do use this amateur fights for other events.
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If its annoying then don't go to the card then, SF/Showtime doesn't show amateur fights on TV. Nobody makes you go to their event, research the card before you spend your money. This is like complaining about music at a restaurant, if you don't like the music at the restaurant then don't go eat their it's just that simple.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: October 19, 2010 at 02:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

jvillain said:
WRONG. i was at strikeforce noons vs diaz there was 6 amatuer fights i almost fell asleep
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Why don't you actually say the whole story.
The advertised card had 4 fights up at the top. I hope you are not going to make me prove that these are all pro fighters? You never know with the haters.
The undercard was
James Terry vs. David Marshall
Ron Keslar vs. Josh McDonald
Jess Bouscal vs. Luis Mendoza
Are you claiming that any of these fighters are amateurs? Which ones?
That was the advertised card. That is what you paid for. If you got some bonus fights on top of it, well good for you. What are you bitching about?
I had to dig forever to even find any word about what those amateur fights were. Turns out they were the bay area finals for the CAMO tournament. So Strikeforce had a building rented, a cage set up, CSAC officials lined up and paid for and they let an amateur organization hold their regional finals there rather than making them pay for a building, officials etc on their own. Those bastards!!! Those amateurs should have to pay damn it!!!
http://www.examiner.com/mma-in-stockton/first-ever-californian-amateur-mma-tournament?render=print
Ya, I have seen Dana shiting on amateur fighters as well and I assume you think you have to since Dana does. If you don't help the amateurs get started where are the future fighters coming from? Mean while Strikeforce has met some fighters and built some good will with the clubs and the amateur community. How dare they?
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Please don't act like Strikeforce has built up good fighters. The prize fruits of their labor are Shane Del Rosario and Tyrone Woodley. Sure its good that Strikeforce is helping out amateur promotions and amateur fighters, but them not doing that isn't going to cause the collapse of future MMA as they know it. And I am fairly certain they take small fees for hosting amateurs which is what they want because they are not making a lot of money off of their cards.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EdoKaz818
Date: October 19, 2010 at 03:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

Strikeforce is not the UFC. When will people understand this? its not even close. When it comes to top 10 talent sure they have plenty of that in certain divisions but they still lack overall depth, and everything else.
I realize this and dont care. I still love watching SF events because they deliver most of the time.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: casas
Date: October 19, 2010 at 04:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

i do understand all of your points of the amateur fights been for save money and they are not the UFC and doesnt had deep but still is hard for me to believe that small promotions that are profesional can do it and not put amateur fights in his events and SF on the other hand seems to be fill on just amateur fights for his preliminar cards, it would be nice to put on some profesionals into the preliminar card so they had the motivation to put a good show that earn them the right to get a main card slot
and they do had deep, they had more tha 150 figthers under his roster. the thing that i do understand is the money spend payroll and the tickets sell, the explanation that one poster made here but still like i said is hard for me to understand this when others small promotions are putting just profesional bouts and when there are alot of figthers that are profesionals that will fight for 500 or less

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: keoni
Date: October 20, 2010 at 01:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/getting-sick-of-the-amateur-fights-from-sf-cards.31393/

jvillian=facts and figures. Great comments. I am always impressed with your postings. Strikeforce 's Challengers Series is basically the minor leagues for Strikeforce, so ammys get to fight. Big deal. I've been to the first and second installment of the camo state championships in Fresno and to numerous ammy smokers. I will be there for the Challengers event in Fresno. The ammy card is full of local fighters. All who have a huge following and if you can believe it are actually good. u guys are nitpicking Strikeforce to death. The gyms represented are first rate. You see I am a fan of MMA, all MMA. So you think Strikeforce isn't top notch, yet you still watch and cant wait to post on what you perceive as its shortcomings. Weird. Its just a good night of mma and Friday night is gonna be AWESOME!!! Its gonna look like a
TORNADO
came through the Savemart Center!!
Jvillian U going?