Originally posted by: Brulesrules001 Date: August 25, 2010 at 02:13 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Greg Jackson's Camp:
Georges St-Pierre
Rashad Evans
Nate Marquardt
Diego Sanchez
Shane Carwin
Keith Jardine
Joey Villasenor
Jon Jones
Roger Huerta
Donald Cerrone
Leonard Garcia
Joe Stevenson
Brian Stann
David Loiseau
Kyle Noke
Jason MacDonald
Rolles Gracie Jr.
Carlos Condit
Julie Kedzie
Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Melvin Guillard
Aaron Riley
Damacio Page
Cub Swanson
Karo Parisyan
Michelle Waterson
Clay Guida
Andrei Arlovski
Brendan Schaub
James McSweeney
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Team Black House:
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Antônio Rogério Nogueira
Anderson Silva
Lyoto Machida
Junior dos Santos
Lucas Neiva
Carlos Barreto
Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante
Paulo Filho
Nino "Elvis" Schembri
Pedro Rizzo
Fabricio Camoes
Andre Galvao
Mark Muñoz
Satoshi Ishii
Thales Leites
Wagnney Fabiano
Chase Gormley
Diego Nunes
Ronaldo Souza
Stevan Gutierrez
Jordan Smith
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American Kickboxing Academy:
Jon Fitch
Josh Koscheck
Paul Buentello
Mike Swick
Mike Kyle
Cung Le
Cain Velasquez
Josh Thomson
Billy Evangelista
Richard Crunkilton
Trevor Prangley
Christian Wellisch
Bobby Southworth
Herschel Walker
Daniel Cormier
Luke Rockhold
Bobby Lashley
Originally posted by: EdoKaz818 Date: August 25, 2010 at 02:14 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Originally posted by: bayareamma925 Date: August 25, 2010 at 02:27 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
what about cesar gracies camp, gilbert will beat any of the LW's you just named, and nick and jake could arguably beat every WW and shields almost any MW on those lists. when is the last time a major cesar gracie fighter lost, probably nate losing to maynard wich i believe he won.besides that the last time gilbert,jake,or nick lost was in 2008 when gilbert lost to thomson,and he got his revenge anyway.
Originally posted by: BigBadBre Date: August 25, 2010 at 02:27 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
It's a "team" so no need to split hairs. Black House.
I say this because if you boil down the top five fighters of each team/camp/W.E. you would have:
1) GSP
2) Rashad
3) Jones
4) Marquardt
5) Sanchez or Carwin?
1) Velasquez
2) Fitch
3) Koscheck
4) Swick?
5) Cormier?
1) Anderson
2) Machida
3) Aldo
4) Big Nog
5) Junior
Come on!
Originally posted by: LitesOutPHX Date: August 25, 2010 at 02:44 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Originally posted by: dock59 Date: August 25, 2010 at 02:56 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Black House hands down. When u take the top five of each, they got Anderson Silva, Machida, Jose Aldo, Junior Dos Santos, and Big Nog. P4P they beat just about everybody in Jackson or AKA. But I'm not hatin on those teams either as the are def in the top 5 camps in the world.
Originally posted by: reghartner Date: August 25, 2010 at 03:19 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
I was surprised the original post left out Aldo. Gotta go with Black House. The only thing I worry about is that they aren't strong wrestlers, and with the way MMA is going, that isn't a good thing.
Originally posted by: LitesOutPHX Date: August 25, 2010 at 03:32 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
reghartner said:
I was surprised the original post left out Aldo. Gotta go with Black House. The only thing I worry about is that they aren't strong wrestlers, and with the way MMA is going, that isn't a good thing.
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What can beat wrestling? BJJ which almost all are good at. Most are also good at takedown defense so I dont think its a big deal
Originally posted by: reghartner Date: August 25, 2010 at 03:42 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
LitesOut13 said:
reghartner said:
I was surprised the original post left out Aldo. Gotta go with Black House. The only thing I worry about is that they aren't strong wrestlers, and with the way MMA is going, that isn't a good thing.
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What can beat wrestling? BJJ which almost all are good at. Most are also good at takedown defense so I dont think its a big deal
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I'm just saying that it is a weakness across the board. Maybe it's because Black House is pretty much all Brazilian dudes, whereas AKA and GJ are guys from all over the world.
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector Date: August 25, 2010 at 07:43 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Originally posted by: Woody90 Date: August 25, 2010 at 07:51 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Originally posted by: italstal Date: August 25, 2010 at 09:28 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
It's hard to tell. Greg Jacksons camp has more of the well rounded fighters and better wrestling like Jones, Carwin, Rashad, GSP. But Black House has the all around better strikers like Anderson, Lyoto, Aldo and Junior. I'd say both camps tie for first.
Originally posted by: jbjhardcore Date: August 25, 2010 at 09:57 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Originally posted by: Phalanx44 Date: August 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
I can't say any of them specifically dominates MMA. It seems to me that Jackson's camp prepares better game plans before fights, and also is better equipped to switch plans mid fight if things aren't going as well as expected. So in terms of who would I rather
have in my corner
, it's Jackson's camp hands down. That being said, i think Black House has all around more talented fighters. Therefore I would rather
train
with the BH guys.
Originally posted by: italstal Date: August 25, 2010 at 12:21 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector Date: August 25, 2010 at 12:36 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
With all three of these camps, none commands, controls or prevails over ALL others. So unless you are looking at it in terms of power, success and importance, none are dominant.
Originally posted by: Sedulous Date: August 25, 2010 at 03:02 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
I'd say this is pretty close. If you are asking who I would go train with if i had to choose between the three.....it would probably be Greg Jackson's Camp.
Originally posted by: ronkiz21 Date: August 25, 2010 at 03:45 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
With Jackson's camp, a lot of those guys make a name for themselves somewhere else then go over to Jackson. For the most part at Black House, those guys trained there before they were making a splash.
Originally posted by: Goner Date: August 25, 2010 at 05:19 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
BigBadBre said:
It's a "team" so no need to split hairs. Black House.
I say this because if you boil down the top five fighters of each team/camp/W.E. you would have:
1) GSP
2) Rashad
3) Jones
4) Marquardt
5) Sanchez or Carwin?
1) Velasquez
2) Fitch
3) Koscheck
4) Swick?
5) Cormier?
1) Anderson
2) Machida
3) Aldo
4) Big Nog
5) Junior
Come on!
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Aldo fights out of Nova Uniao, not Blackhouse.
Originally posted by: mightymice Date: August 25, 2010 at 05:37 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/greg-jacksons-camp-vs-team-black-house-vs-aka.29622/
Styles make fights. With that in mind, I think that if you just take the top 3 or 4 guys from each camp and match them all up based on styles, then BH has the hardest time with the different fights. I picked AKA because I think that they have the potential to hold 2 belts in the near future.
