GSP: Anderson did 170 a few years ago, he can do it again
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YPG said:
First signs that GSP is afraid to fight Silva? Silva has been in the UFC for almost 5 years, fighting at 185 the entire time. Just look at Silva on fight day & it's clear he can't make WW. GSP could easily make 185 with a bit of extra weight training, even he has said he could make 185 given 6 months to do it.
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Actually, Silva made 168 before and considering how lean he doesn't look at weigh ins, he could probably make 175, if not 170. It'd be a tough cut, but he could do it. Additionally, GSP has said he would take up to a year to move up in weight and that he would do that near the end of his career, not in the middle of it.
MightyMike said:
GSP should, and is going to move to MW for this fight. It'll e stupid for Silva to go down to WW for a title shot. If he wins the WW belt he will probably relinquish it right away because he won't want to stay there and defend the 170pound belt.
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I happen to think differently, I don't think GSP is going to move to MW in the immediate future. It's great that a lot of other folks are saying this, but GSP is the one we should be listening to. It's his decision and frankly, it'd be unwise to throw away what he has at this point in his career for the sake of one fight. 2-4 years from now, maybe. Now, not worth it.
I don't think many people realize the gravy train that GSP has created for himself - at 2 fights a year for the next 4 years, GSP could make millions, through fighter pay, cuts from ppvs and endorsements. A belt holder has more leverage than a contender - it's the way it works. A permanent move to MW and the vacating of his title for the sake of one fight right now is stupid, imo. GSP has always maintained that a move to MW would be permanent. A far wiser strategy is to continue WW dominance, hopefully compiling a title defense record that surpasses Anderson's - when that happens, I think we'll see GSP move up then.
I can't say this for a fact, but if history serves as an indicator, in 30 years no one will be talking about GSP not moving up to MW - they'll look at his dominating performance over other welterweights.
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JonnyRico said:
BJ has to move up to face GSP but GSP wont move up to face AS
What is he Nick Diaz? :lol:
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idk, maybe, but then again, diaz shows up to fights, gsp shows up for ultimate sparring championships
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EdoKaz818 said:
huge huge difference BJ was a former champ at 170 and has huge wins at 170. What wins as of late does AS have at 170?
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BJ beat Hughes twice, of which one would considered huge, i.e., the first because it was for the title. The second Hughes bout was against an older, declining Matt. Hardly a huge victory.
BJ's other WW win? Bang Ludwig.
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Flound said:
EdoKaz818 said:
huge huge difference BJ was a former champ at 170 and has huge wins at 170. What wins as of late does AS have at 170?
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BJ beat Hughes twice, of which one would considered huge, i.e., the first because it was for the title. The second Hughes bout was against an older, declining Matt. Hardly a huge victory.
BJ's other WW win? Bang Ludwig.
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what does the second one have to do with anything? it was the first one that mattererd when he beat Hughes when Hughes was pretty much prime. Thats what matter a win over the best WW
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i bet gsp really wishes people didn't want to see him at MW. he likes WW. he's really f---ing good there. It's like if you have a favorite restaurant that consistently makes the best italian food youve ever had, and you say to the chef "well you aren't really a good chef if you can't cook french food." well...i don't want to cook french food. im the best at cooking italian food and i like it that way, so f--- off and eat somewhere else.
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reghartner said:
i bet gsp really wishes people didn't want to see him at MW. he likes WW. he's really f**king good there. It's like if you have a favorite restaurant that consistently makes the best italian food youve ever had, and you say to the chef "well you aren't really a good chef if you can't cook french food." well...i don't want to cook french food. im the best at cooking italian food and i like it that way, so f**k off and eat somewhere else.
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eh... hes canadian french
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EGROJ said:
reghartner said:
i bet gsp really wishes people didn't want to see him at MW. he likes WW. he's really f**king good there. It's like if you have a favorite restaurant that consistently makes the best italian food youve ever had, and you say to the chef "well you aren't really a good chef if you can't cook french food." well...i don't want to cook french food. im the best at cooking italian food and i like it that way, so f**k off and eat somewhere else.
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eh... hes canadian french
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or french canadian. either way that wasn't the point.
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magnuml said:
YPG said:
First signs that GSP is afraid to fight Silva?
Silva has been in the UFC for almost 5 years, fighting at 185 the entire time. Just look at Silva on fight day & it's clear he can't make WW. GSP could easily make 185 with a bit of extra weight training, even he has said he could make 185 given 6 months to do it.
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The problem is GSP has to work to get to 185 and on fight night Anderson comes in over 200 lbs.GSP will be out weighed alot.
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GSP won't fight at 185. He probably fights at 185 when he steps in the Octagon at WW. He could make 185 for a fight right now if he wanted. He'll gain additional muscle so what when he loses weight to get to 185, he can put some up & reduce the weight difference.
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BigLEFT said:
If GSP never moves up, he doesn't deserve to be p4p #1.
Ever.
Period
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Yeah, all the greats have faced big size disadvantages, it'd be a mark against him for sure in the discussion. I don't even care if he goes to MW without facing AS... Just as long as he goes.
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TokyoJoe said:
BigLEFT said:
If GSP never moves up, he doesn't deserve to be p4p #1.
Ever.
Period
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I agree with this statement.
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WTF does moving up have to do with p4p? The whole purpose of p4p is to compare fighters at their weight, not to have them jump around.
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JC507 said:
TokyoJoe said:
BigLEFT said:
If GSP never moves up, he doesn't deserve to be p4p #1.
Ever.
Period
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I agree with this statement.
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WTF does moving up have to do with p4p? The whole purpose of p4p is to compare fighters at their weight, not to have them jump around.
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+1 italian food!
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EdoKaz818 said:
Flound said:
EdoKaz818 said:
huge huge difference BJ was a former champ at 170 and has huge wins at 170. What wins as of late does AS have at 170?
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BJ beat Hughes twice, of which one would considered huge, i.e., the first because it was for the title. The second Hughes bout was against an older, declining Matt. Hardly a huge victory.
BJ's other WW win? Bang Ludwig.
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what does the second one have to do with anything? it was the first one that mattererd when he beat Hughes when Hughes was pretty much prime. Thats what matter a win over the best WW
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It has everything to do with what you said. You said that BJ had huges wins. Wins. Plural. More than one. The problem with that statement is that BJ only has one huge win. Singular. Uno. One. His other two wins (and he only has two other wins at WW) weren't huge. He also has three losses at WW. Hardly an accurate statement saying that BJ has huge wins at Welterweight.
Oh, and your contention that Silva hasn't done anything of late in WW also misses the mark, imo. Penn had his one huge win 7 years ago. Silva's last WW win was 9 years ago or thereabouts and it also was for a title against sakurai, considered to be one of the top P4P contenders at the time.
So, let's re-examine your points.
You said BJ has huge wins at 170 but really he only has one.
You imply that Silva's welterweight foray was so long ago to be unimportant, yet we find both Penn and Silva did their best work at WW over 7-10 years ago. Seems neither has done anything worthwhile at welterweight in quite some time.
BJ beat a matt Hughes in his prime and Silva beat Sakurai in his prime. Seems they both fought top flight competition at the time.
So, it seems that there isn't a huge difference in Penn's and Silva's welterweight fight history.
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wait is BJ fighting GSP again?
No he is not. WHile i might of not been accurate at 2 big wins but he has 2 wins at WW before him and GSP crossed paths. Where as AS has no wins 170 as of late.
your counter argument fauils because your using a fight from many years ago to justify a fight of today where as i justified the first GSP vs BJ fight.
There is a huge difference specially when BJ and GSP arnt going to fight anytime soon.
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Lol knew it was only a matter of time before GSP started getting scurrred. This guy is so worried about not having the size and strength advantage. Penn, fedor, silva and a lot of other great fighters have no problem stepping up n weight and taking fights. The saddest part is listening to GSP fans try to make excuses for him
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EdoKaz818 said:
wait is BJ fighting GSP again?
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I never said they were. Nor is GSP scheduled to fight Silva soon, either, yet here we are talking about that. It's a speculative discussion and that rebuttal fails on its face.
You were one of the ones making comparisons or attempting to disprove comparisons between Penn and Silva's forays into WW territory. And in that discussion, you made a demonstrably inaccurate statement about Penn's huge wins and implied an inaccurate comparison of their (Silva's and Penn's) respective successes and the time frames in which they achieved them.
"huge huge difference BJ was a former champ at 170 and has huge wins at 170. What wins as of late does AS have at 170?"
WHile i might of not been accurate at 2 big wins but he has 2 wins at WW before him and GSP crossed paths.
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Actually, you didn't even state a number, you simply indicated a plurality. You could have meant 3 or more, but I figured I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. Penn only ever had one huge win at WW and it wasn't recent.
Where as AS has no wins 170 as of late.
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Outside of a quick KO of a declining Hughes, neither has BJ - it wasn't a huge win, imo. His wins against Ludwig and his one huge win over Hughes came 7 years ago. Hardly any big wins of late for BJ either.
your counter argument fauils because your using a fight from many years ago to justify a fight of today where as i justified the first GSP vs BJ fight.
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Actually, my counter argument was that neither BJ or Silva have had huge wins in the welterweight division at all in the last 7 years or more. Nothing you've said changes that salient fact despite your protestation that it has. If you thought I meant something else, you assumed something never said or implied.
There is a huge difference specially when BJ and GSP arnt going to fight anytime soon.
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Again, I think you're speaking out of turn. What happens if BJ beats Fitch and GSP gets past Shields? GSP/Penn 3 is a possibility and it could be soon. It's just as likely as Silva/GSP.
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so let me get this clear what your trying to tell me is that AS winning GSP at 185 is notable as GSP winning BJ at 170 correct?
no Dana said GSPvs Bj is not going to happen because Silva vs GSP would happen