Has anyone else won top-5 fighters in 3 different weight classes?
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smartigan said:
BJ Penn has won at LW WW and MW
He lost a decision to Machida at an open weight match
He won both the WW & LW UFC championships
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But top- 5 fighters from those weightclasses? I mean were they top-5 when he won them?
Or the later mentioned Vitor, did he?
Asterix said:
But top- 5 fighters from those weightclasses? I mean were they top-5 when he won them?
Or the later mentioned Vitor, did he?
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who cares.... BJ fighting Machida at his natural weight is incredible. Deserves credit if anybody does.. Its him. win or lose.... that is a feat
Asterix said:
But top- 5 fighters from those weightclasses? I mean were they top-5 when he won them?
Or the later mentioned Vitor, did he?
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* beat them
(Not being a d--- but if I remember correctly, English isn't your first language. Just trying to help)
Not at MW but he did in LW & WW
Plus he won the belt in both divisions which is better than beating top 5 opponents IMO
smartigan said:
* beat them
(Not being a love pole but if I remember correctly, English isn't your first language. Just trying to help)
Not at MW but he did in LW & WW
Plus he won the belt in both divisions which is better than beating top 5 opponents IMO
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Well Silva won Shooto's welterweight title, which is probably comparable to BJ's feats. Sakurai was #1 p4p back then and Silva beat him for the title. Some could say Silva could win the WW title still if he went down. Atleast he says he is able to go there.
Winning belt is one thing, but I was just asking have anyone dominated on 3 different weightclasses as Silva has, by beating top-5 opponent in every 3 division, BJ has had great career, but he does not fit the definition.
PsychoIcon said:
who cares.... BJ fighting Machida at his natural weight is incredible. Deserves credit if anybody does.. Its him. win or lose.... that is a feat
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Machida was around 220 at that fight, BJ were 195, its impressive, and one of the reasons I hold BJ so great all time fighter, but it still doesnt fit the definition. Machida wasnt top-5 HW, nor even LHW back then, and BJ only won one round not the whole fight.
Asterix said:
Machida was around 220 at that fight, BJ were 195, its impressive, and one of the reasons I hold BJ so great all time fighter, but it still doesnt fit the definition. Machida wasnt top-5 HW, nor even LHW back then, and BJ only won one round not the whole fight.
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So technically... physically Machida was a HW and skill wise still one of the best back then or now... No matter what you say. Raw talent is raw talent and its pretty awesome to think a natural 165er ish type fighter could go against a natural 200 lber that is TOP in the world at what they DO..... PERIOD. Prodigy forever.... The End.
Skills make the Legend, Athleticism makes the Hero.
some guy named Dan Henderson?
MW-, Newton, Bisping, Bustamante, Gono, Misaki, Renzo
LHW- Shogun, Wandy, Vitor, Babalu x2, Franklin (was catch weight, but the weight was 195 so that is techniclly LHW)
HW- Fedor, Big Nog, Yvel (not really a top guy but at the time he was legit)
PsychoIcon said:
who cares.... BJ fighting Machida at his natural weight is incredible. Deserves credit if anybody does.. Its him. win or lose.... that is a feat
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Yea give him credit for getting the s--- beat out of him by HW.. thats real smart.
iceman22 said:
some guy named Dan Henderson?
MW-, Newton, Bisping, Bustamante, Gono, Misaki, Renzo
LHW- Shogun, Wandy, Vitor, Babalu x2, Franklin (was catch weight, but the weight was 195 so that is techniclly LHW)
HW- Fedor, Big Nog, Yvel (not really a top guy but at the time he was legit)
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Fedor wasnt top-5 back then anymore
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/28/2300377/usat-sbn-july-2011-mma-consensus-rankings-heavyweight
Nog wasnt yet, and Yvel either, so close but no. Dan is probably the all time Great #2 after Silva but it seems no one has done what Silva has.
Have you even seen that fight?
Nobody got the s--- kicked out of them, it was a dull fight if anything.
Asterix-
I dunno how or if Sakurai was considered p4p back then. He beat a bunch of nobodies and lost to the first decent fighters he came up against like Silva,Hughes and Shields
I'm not looking for an argument I'm a huge Anderson fan
I was just bringing up BJ's accomplishments concerning different weight divisions
iceman22 said:
hahahaha ok guy.
Nog was top five from the sart of his career all the way to Mir killed him.
Fedor isnt top 5 after he lost to werdum and Silva?
And Bloodyelbow is a reputable source? nice try.
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Oh so Nog was just handed top-5 spot, I wasnt aware of that. Might be that HW really has been thin weightclass already back then.
That ranking is a combination of many mma sites, it calculates the ranks of everyfighter and gives out the consensus rank for everyone, so basically 6-7 sites ranked Fedor so low after those losses that in the consensus he got the rank 8, now I dont know where you ranked him, but I tend to go by some rankings, most preferably that consensus one, since it tends to hold opinions of many who do those as their job, over someone who could have personal bias in their opinion.
smartigan said:
Have you even seen that fight?
Nobody got the feces kicked out of them, it was a dull fight if anything.
Asterix-
I dunno how or if Sakurai was considered p4p back then. He beat a bunch of nobodies and lost to the first decent fighters he came up against like Silva,Hughes and Shields
I'm not looking for an argument I'm a huge Anderson fan
I was just bringing up BJ's accomplishments concerning different weight divisions
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I have seen the fight, if you asked me. And Sakurai probably was considered because he was 18-0 a champion and just destroyed everyone, he was supposed to destroy Silva too. I dont know what losing to Hughes and Shields mean when talking about his ranking going into Silva fight? He had wins over Kato and Trigg by that time already, im not sure how aware you are of the older mma, but they were something back then, not just bunch of nobodies.