I'm sure I'm not the only one to see how much hedging happens on a fight card, but why does the option exist? BB and Co. do a terrific job scoring fights so surely the format can be included to eliminate rewarding those who make completely wrong picks.
12-X-ko-3
: When a fight goes to a decision it didn't end by KO and didn't end in round 3, dishing out points for this pick whilst an opponent who went with 12-X-ko-2 gets nothing seems very unfair.
What if we awarded 5 / 6 points for a straight up 'dec' pick and leave picks with a '3' predicting the fight will end in round 3, just as round 1 & 2?
Realistically a fight going to decision does finish in round 3. If a fighter quits on the stool he is classed to have being finished in the previous round.
If you don't hedge & you're accurate you're rewarded with more points. It's a strategy many people make to maximise their possible score, but at the end of the day if you make more accurate picks you're going to win.
skidds said:
please dont try to reinvent the wheel ... this has been debated for years man........it is what it is
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I guess the debate is over?
I actually agree with you Holey... it's kind of a crutch. But everyone is overwhelmingly in favor of it so there is no point in debating. As you can see you were immediately shot down, pretty curtly, by 3 of the OGs here. Like Skidds said... it is what it is.
Personally I'd like 3 pts for a dec and then another 3 pts for guessing split or unanimous dec (instead of round). That would make the scoring more accurate IMO, instead of using a 'strategy' like Gibbs mentioned.
@Skidds I imagine it has, I just hadn't seen it so was curious as to why it's here.
@Strez A fighter can only quit on his stool in round three if there is a round four, otherwise the fight never ended in round three but instead [cue booming Buffer voice]
"After three rounds we go to a judges decision..."
@Spud @Gibbs If I hedge and am totally inaccurate I'm still rewarded with more points. It's a strategy using a flaw in scoring instead of predicting what will happen in a fight.
Holeydel said:
@Spud @Gibbs If I hedge and am
totally inaccurate
I'm still rewarded with more points. It's a strategy using a flaw in scoring instead of predicting what will happen in a fight.
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If you get points then you're not totally inaccurate. If I pick KO-3, meaning I think it'll be a KO or a decision, and it's a decision then I'm not totally inaccurate. Totally inaccurate would be be picking KO-3 and the result being a 1st round submission.
If you want to purely pick what will happen, go ahead. If you're better than the other guy, you'll win. You pick dec-3, he picks KO-3 and it's a decision? You get more points. It's a 1st round KO? You were totally inaccurate & get none.
Spud said:
If you get points then you're not totally inaccurate. If I pick KO-3, meaning I think it'll be a KO or a decision, and it's a decision then I'm not totally inaccurate. Totally inaccurate would be be picking KO-3 and the result being a 1st round submission.
If you want to purely pick what will happen, go ahead. If you're better than the other guy, you'll win. You pick dec-3, he picks KO-3 and it's a decision? You get more points. It's a 1st round KO? You were totally inaccurate & get none.
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Well technically, say if you picks KO-2 and the fight actually ends in SUB-2, you don't get the 2nd round points... the incorrect finish negates the bonus round points. That's why I think it's kind of stupid to give the 3rd round points when you pick a KO but the fight actually ends in a DEC. Why doesn't the incorrect finish negate the bonus points in that instance but it does in every other? You didn't pick dec-3, you picked ko-3. The KO should have to come first before you can consider the round points. That's how it works every other round.
Holeydel said:
@Skidds I imagine it has, I just hadn't seen it so was curious as to why it's here.
@Strez A fighter can only quit on his stool in round three if there is a round four, otherwise the fight never ended in round three but instead [cue booming Buffer voice]
"After three rounds we go to a judges decision..."
@Spud @Gibbs If I hedge and am totally inaccurate I'm still rewarded with more points. It's a strategy using a flaw in scoring instead of predicting what will happen in a fight.
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Fight still stopped at round 3.
You guys are right. Go create a new league, a spreadsheet to completely track absolutely everything you guys want or think is wrong and do the formulas to score it down to an exact science.
Enjoy
Strez said:
Fight still stopped at round 3.
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But when you pick a KO-2 and the fight ends sub-2, you don't get the 2nd round point there. Why does the logic change for the 3rd round?
Strez said:
You guys are right. Go create a new league, a spreadsheet to completely track absolutely everything you guys want or think is wrong and do the formulas to score it down to an exact science.
Enjoy
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Yeah, this is the way to attract new members. One of them has a legit question on why something is scored the way it is and shout him down. Great league marketing! There wasn't one prickish thing about this question or this post.
cmvideo75 said:
But when you pick a KO-2 and the fight ends sub-2, you don't get the 2nd round point there. Why does the logic change for the 3rd round?
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Yes you do, don't know where you are thinking of that from.
If I pick KO-1 and it's SUB-1 I still get the round points because I predicted the first round finish. Same for round 2 or 3.
cmvideo75 said:
Yeah, this is the way to attract new members. One of them has a legit question on why something is scored the way it is and shout him down. Great league marketing! There wasn't one prickish thing about this question or this post.
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It's not a legit question, because it's been brought up 100's of times, for many many years.
The "prickish" bit is that everyone assumes they can do it better or it should be done better. All is well, enjoy it for what it is. A few guys who happily put in time to run this for everyone.
Strez said:
It's not a legit question, because it's been brought up 100's of times, for many many years.
The "prickish" bit is that everyone assumes they can do it better or it should be done better. All is well, enjoy it for what it is. A few guys who happily put in time to run this for everyone.
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It's not prickish if you are new to the league and haven't sent he hundreds of questions for many many years. I've been here for 3 years and I've maybe seen this addressed once. I have a team full of new guys that have asked me questions just like this because they have not been here for the hundreds and hundred of questions they don't know the answers to. What are guys not on a team supposed to do? Compete in ignorance?
And he never said he knew better, he was legitimately asking why it was like that. That does not = shitting on what you guys do here. Someone is a little defensive! Geez.
cmvideo75 said:
It's not prickish if you are new to the league and haven't sent he hundreds of questions for many many years. I've been here for 3 years and I've maybe seen this addressed once. I have a team full of new guys that have asked me questions just like this because they have not been here for the hundreds and hundred of questions they don't know the answers to. What are guys not on a team supposed to do? Compete in ignorance?
And he never said he knew better, he was legitimately asking why it was like that. That does not = shitting on what you guys do here. Someone is a little defensive! Geez.
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When people complain every week and are very very rarely thankful for what we do. We have every right to be.
