Henderson/Fitch Parallel

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: December 06, 2012 at 12:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

I love to watch Benson Henderson fight. I think he is physically dominating and can break the will of other fighters.
Someone I also like to watch fight is Jon Fitch.
Now, it seems most people enjoy watching Benson, while they despise Fitch (I concede there are differences).
Now, not taking into account the WEC, and realizing that Fitch has a much longer streak, Benson has only had fights come to decision since being in the UFC (6 fights). Jon Fitch has had 11 fights since his last none decision win.
So, if Henderson keeps getting decision victories will he get the same stigma that Jon Fitch has, as being a boring fighter that can't finish fights?
That was probably poorly worded, but what do you think?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: holmezy
Date: December 06, 2012 at 12:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

I dont think the two are anything alike, sure both are wrestlers and both have great sub defence however thats about it.
Bendo even though he hasnt fininshed a fight in a while still looks as if he is trying to, the guy throws heavy strikes both standing and on the ground and im sure he will get a finish soon. Fitch on the other hand (not including his last performance) doesnt really show the same desire to finish fights, his strikes standing arent powerful and his GnP looks much the same.
With that being said Fitch was impressive in his last fight and I have a feeling we will be seeing more of the same and hopefully he will also get a finish real soon.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: December 06, 2012 at 12:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

Benson's opponents in the UFC.
1. Bocek has been finished 2 times out of 16 professional fights
2. Miller has been finished 1 time out of 26 professional fights
3. Guida has been finished 6 times out of 42 professional fights
4. Edgar has been finished 0 times out of 18 professional fights
So all of his opponents have been finished a combined 9 times out of 102 professional fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mma_guru333
Date: December 06, 2012 at 12:55 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

Neonep said:
Benson's opponents in the UFC.
1. Bocek has been finished 2 times out of 16 professional fights
2. Miller has been finished 1 time out of 26 professional fights
3. Guida has been finished 6 times out of 42 professional fights
4. Edgar has been finished 0 times out of 18 professional fights
So all of his opponents have been finished a combined 9 times out of 102 professional fights.
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Good post.
But that said, I still don't think Benson is a dominant finisher, but I have absolutely no problem with that, considering he's still one of my favorite fighters.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: newERA
Date: December 06, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

Benson's fights are more evenly matched, so they're more entertaining. Although, I didn't enjoy either of the Frankie fights.
When Fitch fights opponents that challenge him like Diego, GSP and Erick Silva, his fights can be entertaining to watch. Unfortunately, most of the time he's fighting guys who don't belong in the ring with him, so he just dominates them. He doesn't have KO power, so he's never going to get a flashy striking finish and using his BJJ offensively could leave him open to submissions or reversals, so it's safer for him to maintain top control and GNP to a decision (since, even for GNP, his strikes have no power).
If the UFC wants exciting fights out of Fitch, they should avoid putting him against fighters with weak cardio, no TDD or who lack an
aggressive
BJJ game.
I think the fight with Maia should be entertaining . . . if Maia doesn't gas.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Koos
Date: December 06, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

Henderson did not get a shot at the belt and get totally beaten down for 5 rounds and Ben has not been KO'd in 12 seconds either. I guess I don't see the parallel.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RePetepete7
Date: December 06, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

Fitch gets hit with a big shot and goes down, Hendo hits with a big shot.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RePetepete7
Date: December 06, 2012 at 01:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

Both were denied Titleshots when they had a rightful claim to one, by the UFC.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: December 06, 2012 at 01:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

RePetepete7 said:
Both were denied Titleshots when they had a rightful claim to one, by the UFC.
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When was Henderson denied a "rightful claim" to a title shot?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: December 06, 2012 at 01:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

anonymouswriter said:
I love to watch Benson Henderson fight. I think he is physically dominating and can break the will of other fighters.
Someone I also like to watch fight is Jon Fitch.
Now, it seems most people enjoy watching Benson, while they despise Fitch (I concede there are differences).
Now, not taking into account the WEC, and realizing that Fitch has a much longer streak, Benson has only had fights come to decision since being in the UFC (6 fights). Jon Fitch has had 11 fights since his last none decision win.
So, if Henderson keeps getting decision victories will he get the same stigma that Jon Fitch has, as being a boring fighter that can't finish fights?
That was probably poorly worded, but what do you think?
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It is not the fact that the fights went to decisions is why people have the opinion of Fitch.
I'm getting really tired of people that write off every fight that goes to a decision as boring. Very disturbing trend.
Fitch has chosen to not advance, even at his trainers dismay in fights, sometimes you can hear them screaming at him to move positions, but he remains in place to keep it safe. Henderson has constantly looked for ways to finish fights and progressed his positions, sometimes so much that he loses control of his opponent, or loses his position, there are a bunch of sweeps in Ben Henderson's fights because he is an aggressive grappler. Fitch on the other hand gets a fighter tangled up in a position and stays there to keep his "riding time" up. He knows that a fighter will not be able to score, or impress their will if they are pressed up against the cage.
What Fitch does takes skill, and a ton of hard work and dedication, but can be frustrating to watch because you would think a guy with such a great training staff and work ethic would evolve his game at a faster rate. He pretty much admitted this in a recent article posted on the front page.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: December 06, 2012 at 09:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/henderson-fitch-parallel.49721/

abc0331 said:
It is not the fact that the fights went to decisions is why people have the opinion of Fitch.
I'm getting really tired of people that write off every fight that goes to a decision as boring. Very disturbing trend.
Fitch has chosen to not advance, even at his trainers dismay in fights, sometimes you can hear them screaming at him to move positions, but he remains in place to keep it safe. Henderson has constantly looked for ways to finish fights and progressed his positions, sometimes so much that he loses control of his opponent, or loses his position, there are a bunch of sweeps in Ben Henderson's fights because he is an aggressive grappler. Fitch on the other hand gets a fighter tangled up in a position and stays there to keep his "riding time" up. He knows that a fighter will not be able to score, or impress their will if they are pressed up against the cage.
What Fitch does takes skill, and a ton of hard work and dedication, but can be frustrating to watch because you would think a guy with such a great training staff and work ethic would evolve his game at a faster rate. He pretty much admitted this in a recent article posted on the front page.
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Excellent Post.