Hendo's First Opponent!
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killadakiller said:
thats what it is, im pretty sure he hurt there last show by holding onto Mayhem the whole time they want the title off him then he should move back down to WW where I think he may be no.2 and definitely think hes top 5 in the world.
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Problem is he won't fight Diaz who could be the WW champ in a few weeks.
kobeVSraja said:
i think shields has a shot at taking out hendo
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LMAO....Jake Sheilds could take who out ? Hendo? :roll: Not even if he had help from Fedor...If it turns out to be Sheilds I'll have to watch just to have a good laff..It will be fun to watch Hendo (Bispingize) him
Cavediver said:
kobeVSraja said:
i think shields has a shot at taking out hendo
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LMAO....Jake Sheilds could take who out ? Hendo? :roll: Not even if he had help from Fedor...If it turns out to be Sheilds I'll have to watch just to have a good laff..It will be fun to watch Hendo (Bispingize) him
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Damn bro. You're sleeping on Shields big time.
Henderson is the favorite going into this fight, I agree with that. But Shields is a bad matchup for Henderson. Hendo has problems against guys with good wrestling/jj , which is what jake shields has. Hendo might have a slight advantage in wrestling but if he does it's very minor, Shields has a huge advantage in JJ, and Hendo has a big advantage in striking (so does everyone who fights shields though, his striking sucks).
Shields has fought guys who are a lot better strikers and more powerful strikers than henderson and Shields has NEVER been knocked out. He has one tko loss about 10 years ago in only his 2nd fight. Shields has always sucked at striking and never had to improve because his wrestling is that freaking good, he has no problem taking guys down and once he does he is a gracie black belt and can tap you out.
I would not be suprised at all if Shields get a decision win or submission win here. If he wins then hopefully more casual fans start realizing just how good shields is, a lot of people not in the know have been sleeping on Jake Shields for far too long. If this guy was in the UFC he wouldve already been hyped up as one of the greatest fighters the sports ever had.
Cavediver said:
Lmao....Is this the same Sheilds who just fought Miller that he couldn't submit nor do anything but LnP....I think your overrating Sheilds.
Jake has NOTHING for Hendo...You will see that,trust me
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You judge a guy from one fight ? Mayhem Miller is known to have some of the best sub defense in all of MMA (he's only been submitted once in 30 fights, 8 years ago!). It's the same shields that controlled mayhem for 5 straight rounds so much that the fight became boring, mayhem couldn't do anything. Every time he tried to get it standing he just ended right back on the ground.
Jake has plenty for Hendo, watch the fights Hendo has lost in his career and see how it happened, it was via good wrestling and or good jiu jitsu. Something shields has both of.
You reference to one fight and knock shields for not being able to submit a guy whos famous for having great sub defense. But watch some of Shields fights over his career if you get a chance, there's a reason why Shields hasn't in 6 years and has only been stopped ONCE in his entire career (his 2nd mma fight 10 years ago). Jake is very good at using his wrestling to control fighters and or use his JJ to tap them out.
I'm not saying Hendo isn't the favorite because he is, no doubt. But, the times Hendo has lost in his career it's been against guys with the same type of skill set Jake Shields has.
I guess we will see what happens. I'm not predicting who will win, Im just saying Shields is a much bigger challenge to hendo than you realize.
kobeVSraja said:
Cavediver said:
Lmao....Is this the same Sheilds who just fought Miller that he couldn't submit nor do anything but LnP....I think your overrating Sheilds.
Jake has NOTHING for Hendo...You will see that,trust me
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Hendo has been tapped before
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yup, half of hendo's losses are from submissions and the other half from decisions from guys wrestling with him. Take a guy who's only losses are from tapouts and being out wrestled and put him up against a gracie black belt and a top wrestler.....his opponent is going to have a decent shot.
AndersonSilva said:
kobeVSraja said:
Cavediver said:
Lmao....Is this the same Sheilds who just fought Miller that he couldn't submit nor do anything but LnP....I think your overrating Sheilds.
Jake has NOTHING for Hendo...You will see that,trust me
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Hendo has been tapped before
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yup, half of hendo's losses are from submissions and the other half from decisions from guys wrestling with him. Take a guy who's only losses are from tapouts and being out wrestled and put him up against a gracie black belt and a top wrestler.....his opponent is going to have a decent shot.
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Half of his losses by sub came from Both Nogs and Anderson Silva and no one else...No shame in that... These are just a few of the top shelf fighters that Hendo has fought. His list of opponents are some of the baddest dooooodz on the planet. Sheilds looks like a boy scout roster. Remember this is MMA not wrestling. As for Jake being a bjj/bb , the way to demote a BB is hit him in the face then he's a white belt :lol:
AndersonSilva said:
You judge a guy from one fight ? Mayhem Miller is known to have some of the best sub defense in all of MMA (he's only been submitted once in 30 fights, 8 years ago!). It's the same shields that controlled mayhem for 5 straight rounds so much that the fight became boring, mayhem couldn't do anything. Every time he tried to get it standing he just ended right back on the ground.
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Mayhem couldn't do anything? He almost submitted Shields in that fight and that was the only time anything remotely significant happened. He needed just a few more seconds and Shields would have been out. The rest of the fight was Shields dry humping another fighter with poor wrestling.
Jake has plenty for Hendo, watch the fights Hendo has lost in his career and see how it happened, it was via good wrestling and or good jiu jitsu. Something shields has both of.
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Shields wrestling isn't that good. It only looks good because all of his opponents have terrible wrestling. Shields getting this fight to the ground against Hendo is laughable. Hendo was in the freaking Olympics and Shields was a junior college wrestler. The wrestling talent gap is ridiculous. Bisping had never been KO'd before he fought Hendo there is no reason to think Hendo can't do the same to Shields. Especially since Shield's striking is horrible. He couldn't even knock down the bully when he was on Bully beatdown....it was pathetic.
You reference to one fight and knock shields for not being able to submit a guy whos famous for having great sub defense. But watch some of Shields fights over his career if you get a chance, there's a reason why Shields hasn't in 6 years and has only been stopped ONCE in his entire career (his 2nd mma fight 10 years ago). Jake is very good at using his wrestling to control fighters and or use his JJ to tap them out.
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The reason he hasn't lost in 6 years is because all of his opponents have crappy wrestling. There's no mystery there at all. And before you bring up Yushin Okami you should watch that fight, Okami was robbed. One of the worst decisions I've ever seen in MMA. Yushin stuffed all of Shields TD's and Shields did nothing offensively. Then in the third round Okami GnP'd him into a bloody pulp.
I'm not saying Hendo isn't the favorite because he is, no doubt. But, the times Hendo has lost in his career it's been against guys with the same type of skill set Jake Shields has.
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No the guys that Hendo lost to were way more skilled and way more well rounded and they had a size advantage over Hendo. In this case Shields will be smaller, weaker, and less skilled than Hendo. This is a no brainer
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I guess we will see what happens. I'm not predicting who will win, Im just saying Shields is a much bigger challenge to hendo than you realize.
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Hendo wins easily. Shields is the most overrated fighter there is.
Sedulous said:
AndersonSilva said:
You judge a guy from one fight ? Mayhem Miller is known to have some of the best sub defense in all of MMA (he's only been submitted once in 30 fights, 8 years ago!). It's the same shields that controlled mayhem for 5 straight rounds so much that the fight became boring, mayhem couldn't do anything. Every time he tried to get it standing he just ended right back on the ground.
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Mayhem couldn't do anything? He almost submitted Shields in that fight and that was the only time anything remotely significant happened. He needed just a few more seconds and Shields would have been out. The rest of the fight was Shields dry humping another fighter with poor wrestling.
Jake has plenty for Hendo, watch the fights Hendo has lost in his career and see how it happened, it was via good wrestling and or good jiu jitsu. Something shields has both of.
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Shields wrestling isn't that good. It only looks good because all of his opponents have terrible wrestling. Shields getting this fight to the ground against Hendo is laughable. Hendo was in the freaking Olympics and Shields was a junior college wrestler. The wrestling talent gap is ridiculous. Bisping had never been KO'd before he fought Hendo there is no reason to think Hendo can't do the same to Shields. Especially since Shield's striking is horrible. He couldn't even knock down the bully when he was on Bully beatdown....it was pathetic.
You reference to one fight and knock shields for not being able to submit a guy whos famous for having great sub defense. But watch some of Shields fights over his career if you get a chance, there's a reason why Shields hasn't in 6 years and has only been stopped ONCE in his entire career (his 2nd mma fight 10 years ago). Jake is very good at using his wrestling to control fighters and or use his JJ to tap them out.
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The reason he hasn't lost in 6 years is because all of his opponents have crappy wrestling. There's no mystery there at all. And before you bring up Yushin Okami you should watch that fight, Okami was robbed. One of the worst decisions I've ever seen in MMA. Yushin stuffed all of Shields TD's and Shields did nothing offensively. Then in the third round Okami GnP'd him into a bloody pulp.
I'm not saying Hendo isn't the favorite because he is, no doubt. But, the times Hendo has lost in his career it's been against guys with the same type of skill set Jake Shields has.
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No the guys that Hendo lost to were way more skilled and way more well rounded and they had a size advantage over Hendo. In this case Shields will be smaller, weaker, and less skilled than Hendo. This is a no brainer
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I guess we will see what happens. I'm not predicting who will win, Im just saying Shields is a much bigger challenge to hendo than you realize.
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Hendo wins easily. Shields is the most overrated fighter there is.
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Game, set and match!
Cavediver said:
Lmao....Is this the same Sheilds who just fought Miller that he couldn't submit nor do anything but LnP....I think your overrating Sheilds.
Half of his losses by sub came from Both Nogs and Anderson Silva and no one else...No shame in that... These are just a few of the top shelf fighters that Hendo has fought. His list of opponents are some of the baddest dooooodz on the planet. Sheilds looks like a boy scout roster. Remember this is MMA not wrestling. As for Jake being a bjj/bb , the way to demote a BB is hit him in the face then he's a white belt :lol:
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Yeah no shame in losing to anderson or nog brothers. Just saying if you're going to beat Hendo you need a guy with good JJ to do it or a guy that can out wrestle him for 3 rounds cause that's the only way people have had success against him.
There's been other good strikers out there who thought the same thing...just bang with shields and youll win. Problem is no ones been ever to knock him out, and he's faced some guys that are better strikers than hendo (paul daley and lawler most recently).
Can't wait to see this fight, I think Shields is gonna shock a lot of people. Not saying he will win or lose , but I think it's a closer matchup than most people realize. I don't blame people for not knowing a lot about shields since a lot of his fights arent easily accessable to casual fans like they would be if he was in the UFC, I've been following him for about 5-6 years now though and he's defintally the real deal and a top 10 fighter.
AndersonSilva said:
Cavediver said:
Lmao....Is this the same Sheilds who just fought Miller that he couldn't submit nor do anything but LnP....I think your overrating Sheilds.
Half of his losses by sub came from Both Nogs and Anderson Silva and no one else...No shame in that... These are just a few of the top shelf fighters that Hendo has fought. His list of opponents are some of the baddest dooooodz on the planet. Sheilds looks like a boy scout roster. Remember this is MMA not wrestling. As for Jake being a bjj/bb , the way to demote a BB is hit him in the face then he's a white belt :lol:
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Yeah no shame in losing to anderson or nog brothers. Just saying if you're going to beat Hendo you need a guy with good JJ to do it or a guy that can out wrestle him for 3 rounds cause that's the only way people have had success against him.
There's been other good strikers out there who thought the same thing...just bang with shields and youll win. Problem is no ones been ever to knock him out, and he's faced some guys that are better strikers than hendo (paul daley and lawler most recently).
Can't wait to see this fight, I think Shields is gonna shock a lot of people. Not saying he will win or lose , but I think it's a closer matchup than most people realize. I don't blame people for not knowing a lot about shields since a lot of his fights arent easily accessable to casual fans like they would be if he was in the UFC, I've been following him for about 5-6 years now though and he's defintally the real deal and a top 10 fighter.
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And non of those strikers were OLYMPIC LEVEL wrestlers at any time.