I would like to see a 265+ division in MMA
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countryboy444 said:
Men are getting bigger, and bigger every year. Look at all the NFL linemen that weight 300-350 pounds. Heck, I'm 5'9 290, and it would be impossible for me to get to 265. I think it would be awesome to have some of these giants in the cage.
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...Um maybe you meant 6'9 290? Otherwise...you're a pretty big boy...and it wouldn't be impossible to get to 290 if you dieted correctly because only Brock Lesnar has to cut from that weight.
As for a 265+ division, I think most guys that would qualify for it would either be able to make 265 or just really bloated. I mean the only guys you see fighting aboe 265 are guys like Butterbean, Akebono, and Pudzilla(who only weighs around 280 anyway and has a rare, freakish physique) so most guys would be sumo-type guys that don't have the best technique or gas tanks. it would be ALOT of freakshow fights.
countryboy444 said:
Men are getting bigger, and bigger every year. Look at all the NFL linemen that weight 300-350 pounds. Heck, I'm 5'9 290, and it would be impossible for me to get to 265. I think it would be awesome to have some of these giants in the cage.
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...Um maybe you meant 6'9 290? Otherwise...you're a pretty big boy...and it wouldn't be impossible to get to 290 if you dieted correctly because only Brock Lesnar has to cut from that weight.
As for a 265+ division, I think most guys that would qualify for it would either be able to make 265 or just really bloated. I mean the only guys you see fighting aboe 265 are guys like Butterbean, Akebono, and Pudzilla(who only weighs around 280 anyway and has a rare, freakish physique) so most guys would be sumo-type guys that don't have the best technique or gas tanks. it would be ALOT of freakshow fights.
theres just not enough fighters of a good enough calibre of that size to warrant a cruiserweight or super heavyweight division. We've only just started getting guys with a good combination of athleticism and sheer size at the top end of the weight class e.g lesnar carwin velasquez etc. A few more years and i think it would be possible.
5 9 and 290#?? Dude I got height on you and you're packing over a hundred pounds then me, but to your post there just isn't enough men that size and with the skills, sure can they find big guys to beat the s--- out of each other? Yes. Will it resemble anything like MMA? No, it will be 45 seconds of swinging wildly followed by another 8 minutes of heavy breathing and lots of leaning on each other, maybe in a couple years these big guys won't play football and will fight MMA......and maybe fighters will start making 6 million a year guaranteed for 3-5 years.
There is a 265+ division in MMA. Its called the Super Heavyweight Division.
It is not in the UFC, but they do Super Heavyweight fights on the local circuit and in other parts of the world, like Japan. I don't know why you would want to see them though. They suck. Fat people punching each other for 2 minutes is cool but then after that 2 minute mark when they are struggling to breath, its just awful. Painfully awful.
And unless you are freakishly ripped after taking steroids for the last decade, the you, a 5'9" 290 pound-er, could easily make 265.
I'm sure that Brock Lesnar would be happy to have a UFC Super Heavyweight division...he wouldn't have to cut weight and would get a solid stream of fat, out-of-shape cans to defend his belt against. Easy payday!
If you really think that 265+ fighters work well, look up Minowa on YouTube sometime.
EdoKaz818 said:
There isnt any 265 HW with a good overall game so idk about that. Well none comes to my mind
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There is one who rules them all, he weighs 265 and he is the HW #1, there is no one who can stop him, he wears the belt of UFC's the most wanted one, and you know who he is. :lol:
EdoKaz818 said:
There isnt any 265 HW with a good overall game so idk about that. Well none comes to my mind
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Brock, Overeem, Mir 2.0, Duffee, Carwin, Gonzaga could easily get there, Mitruone, Big Country, Rothwell, if Struve ate and lifted some weights, and I am sure there are many outside of the USA that could easily fill out a pretty decent SHW division.
I'd rather see a 225 division. 265+ would probably have Lesnar as the Champ of both HW and SHW.
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He beat me to it...
There is one who rules them all, he weighs 265 and he is the HW #1, there is no one who can stop him, he wears the belt of UFC's the most wanted one, and you know who he is
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countryboy444 said:
Men are getting bigger, and bigger every year. Look at all the NFL linemen that weight 300-350 pounds. Heck, I'm 5'9 290, and it would be impossible for me to get to 265. I think it would be awesome to have some of these giants in the cage.
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MMA does have a Super Heavyweight Division.
derek666 said:
EdoKaz818 said:
There isnt any 265 HW with a good overall game so idk about that. Well none comes to my mind
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Brock, Overeem, Mir 2.0, Duffee, Carwin, Gonzaga could easily get there, Mitruone, Big Country, Rothwell, if Struve ate and lifted some weights, and I am sure there are many outside of the USA that could easily fill out a pretty decent SHW division.
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265+ class is simply bizarre, I don't know why anyone is even discussing it. None of those fighters you mentioned above would fight in it - including Brock and Carwin. Why should they when they can easily make 265 and bully most people around?
Saying Struve would fight in the SHW division is nuts too. He weighs 248 according to wiki. He's not even close to the upper limit for HW, so why would he possibly go up another weight class?
Fair enough if they end up splitting weight classes further down the line, but there is ZERO chance of the UFC making the split at 265. It would make far more sense to split it where you actually had some fighters in the new division. Like 240+ or something.
ThatWillBeAll said:
derek666 said:
Brock, Overeem, Mir 2.0, Duffee, Carwin, Gonzaga could easily get there, Mitruone, Big Country, Rothwell, if Struve ate and lifted some weights, and I am sure there are many outside of the USA that could easily fill out a pretty decent SHW division.
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265+ class is simply bizarre, I don't know why anyone is even discussing it. None of those fighters you mentioned above would fight in it - including Brock and Carwin. Why should they when they can easily make 265 and bully most people around?
Saying Struve would fight in the SHW division is nuts too. He weighs 248 according to wiki. He's not even close to the upper limit for HW, so why would he possibly go up another weight class?
Fair enough if they end up splitting weight classes further down the line, but there is ZERO chance of the UFC making the split at 265. It would make far more sense to split it where you actually had some fighters in the new division. Like 240+ or something.
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did you even read what I wrote? "If Struve ate and lifted weights" he would easily be over 265. and you really think Brock and Carwin would NOT fight at 265+?? it would save them the headache of starving and sweating out weight to cut to 265! and why not have a SHW? I named a few who would easily fit that category! If it were divided at 240, those monsters would be trying to cut down to that class, wouldn't that be cool, Brock coming to the weigh ins looking like Irvin!?!?
Worst idea ever..........there are only a few "freaks" at 265 that have any talent.......and most don't have the best talent. People that look like Brock or Carwin aren't normal and never will be.......hell it took a few years for Overeem to look like that.
Most people already complain the current HWs aren't skilled enough so you get bigger ones in there and then what happens?
justjustin said:
5 9 and 290#?? Dude I got height on you and you're packing over a hundred pounds then me, but to your post there just isn't enough men that size and with the skills, sure can they find big guys to beat the s**t out of each other? Yes. Will it resemble anything like MMA? No, it will be 45 seconds of swinging wildly followed by another 8 minutes of heavy breathing and lots of leaning on each other, maybe in a couple years these big guys won't play football and will fight MMA......and maybe fighters will start making 6 million a year guaranteed for 3-5 years.
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You nailed it, justin. The day will come where the monsters who would normally go on to play college football, wrestling and basketball will be MMAist instead. Either that or they'll still go the college athletics route with a serious eye towards MMA when they are done.... Just because they're big doesn't mean they're dumb. A college degree never hurt anybody.
No matter how they get there, though, they're coming and they'll be coming hard. I don't even think it will take 3-5 years. I bet it's more like 2-3 years before today's equivalent of what Brock was back in the day, explodes onto the scene with 5 years of MMA training at the age of 22 or 23. THAT Mofo is gonna be a scarrrry!
As far as today goes, though, there is absolutely no NEED for a 265 division. There is no need for a 240 division. Look at Brocks last three fights, objectively if possible. Did he SO dominate Randy as to leave a rational person thinking "wow, there's no way anyone under 265 could possibly beat this guy"? After watching him get thoroughly dominated for what was most likely a 10-8 round, was anyone sitting there thinking... "wow, there isn't anyone in the world who can beat this guy?". Against Mir the second time he did look pretty dominant, for sure.... on the ground. Standing he was no different then than now, pathetic.
My point is that Brock is not GSP and he's not Anderson Silva. It's not like he's cleaned out the HW division!! He had huge problems controlling and handling a 225 Randy, got the shat kicked out of him by Shane for the majority of their fight. That leaves one.... ONE ..... dominant performance against a legitimate contender! On that you're going to create an entire new division?? :shock:
Get off the Kool Aid, people. Let the guy learn how to properly throw a punch first, before we go making wholesale changes to the division.