Is Alistair Overeem the most overrated fighter to ever step foot in the octagon?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

In my opinion, without a doubt. It's no secret I'm not a fan of AO. And less of a fan of the K-1 hype machine...(don't get me started). But even last night Rogan made a point to play up his K1 pedigree. I'm thinking; from a casual fans perspective do they even make the connection? Do they know what K1 is? Do they care?
Yeah, he threw some nice knees in the clinch, but gassed like he always does.
I was trying to think of any other signee that came to the UFC with as much hype and expectation. No one that I can think of comes close. Shields, Gomi, Cro Cop, etc. Even if the UFC had signed Fedor i don't think it would have been as disappointing as AO. For Fedor it was more about interesting matchups. With Overeem it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to walk through every HW and snatch the belt.
Can you think of anyone else that has been as overrated/disappointing as Overeem?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: m-stray
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

I honestly thought the fight could have been stopped. I think he punched himself out of gas thinking the ref was going to stop it when browne was turtled agianst the cage.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

I don't know if I'd say he's the most over-rated, but he's probably the biggest bust in UFC history. They've tried to give him a title shot, on more than one occasion, and he's f---ed it up every time.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

Maybe you "overrated" him but I didn't. I think the term overrated in MMA is the most overrated thing in MMA

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

JonnyRico said:
Maybe you "overrated" him but I didn't. I think the term overrated in MMA is the most overrated thing in MMA
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I didn't overrate him at all. I said he'd lose to Big Foot. I said he was gonna get KTFO last night. I've never bought into his hype. If anything I've been overly critical of those that support him & K1

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:52 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

JonnyRico said:
Maybe you "overrated" him but I didn't. I think the term overrated in MMA is the most overrated thing in MMA
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Didn't you get the memo, as soon as someone loses they're declared overrated.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

No. But he is up there on the list.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

Spud said:
Didn't you get the memo, as soon as someone loses they're declared overrated.
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That was gonna be my original post ha

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

JonnyRico said:
That was gonna be my original post ha
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I'm genuinely surprised there's not a "Joe Lauzon is overrated" thread. Although I've not been through the FS1 Thread, there were probably some comments like that last night.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: August 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

BRF, you realize this thread completely canceled out you picking Weidman. And with your multiple Melvin threads you're still in the hole..lol
http://www.mmajunkie.com/forum/threads/overeem-will-be-hw-champ-in-2013.48887/

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BowserGOAT
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:02 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

Kimbo

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

Most Overhyped or not, his inability to take advantage of the numerous opportunities given to eventually fight for the title has to put him on the short list. There is no question the guy is dangerous and powerful but even the UFC Brass, who obviously wanted to see him in a title fight, must realize he ain't worth the paycheck he gets at this point.
I wouldn't be surprised if they cut him or at least get with his agent to talk about "modifying" his current pay scale. As far as expectations? I would say AO is #1 Lombard? Let's see how he does as a WW

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

How come no Threads on how Tuff Travis Browne is for taking the same kind of beating another fighter did without GIVING UP ? A beating most fighters would not be able to take. That impressed the hell out of me ! AO beats himself with his lack of cardio and arrogance and until he changes will keep losing to guys Ranked high in the UFC. That looked the Carwin / Lesner fight. I am a fan of what he has done and is capable of doing but have no problem telling it like it is. He should be ashamed to call himself a professional and not have enough cardio to fight a fast paced 3 round fight! With his credentials he should be able to fight a fast paced 5 round fight and he can't get past the first 2 minutes. Cardio wins and loses fights when each fighter is close in every other way.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TurdFurguson
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

Fedor more so than AO

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: C-Me-No-More
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

I would rank Jake Shields ahead of him but not by much at all,
most over rated fighters to ever step in the octagon my top 5 I know i'm missing a few name but heres my list off the top of my head
1 Jake Shields
2 Alistair Overeem
3 Hector Lombard
4 Nick Diaz
5 Mayhem Miller

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

phoenix-mma said:
In my opinion, without a doubt. It's no secret I'm not a fan of AO. And less of a fan of the K-1 hype machine...(don't get me started). But even last night Rogan made a point to play up his K1 pedigree. I'm thinking; from a casual fans perspective do they even make the connection? Do they know what K1 is? Do they care?
Yeah, he threw some nice knees in the clinch, but gassed like he always does.
I was trying to think of any other signee that came to the UFC with as much hype and expectation. No one that I can think of comes close. Shields, Gomi, Cro Cop, etc. Even if the UFC had signed Fedor i don't think it would have been as disappointing as AO. For Fedor it was more about interesting matchups. With Overeem it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to walk through every HW and snatch the belt.
Can you think of anyone else that has been as overrated/disappointing as Overeem?
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Can't disagree. His striking is actually some sloppy s--- when he runs out of gas. I even thought that with the win against Lesnar. His hands were down, he just kind of plods forward. Great knees...but really overrated striking overall. Also not a ton of ring smarts for a guy with that many professional fights. Hey Alistair, get the f--- out of the way of the front kick he's nailing it with you every..... down goes Alistair.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: tlizilani
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

Call me crazy I think overeem won that fight first, Browne was so lucky Mario didn't step in, cuz many other refs would have, and no defense at all...and I like both fighters.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

TurdFurguson said:
Fedor more so than AO
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Not Octagon but even so you're wrong.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: redd1
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

Wasn't Brandon Vera going to be the next 2 weight class champion at one point in time?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: August 18, 2013 at 11:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-alistair-overeem-the-most-overrated-fighter-to-ever-step-foot-in-the-octagon.57370/

tlizilani said:
Call me crazy I think overeem won that fight first, Browne was so lucky Mario didn't step in, cuz many other refs would have, and no defense at all...and I like both fighters.
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I saw Browne defending just enough. I think it was very similar to Carwin vs. Lesnar. Obviously the ref made the right call.
Not to mention Overeem could have been DQ'd or at least a point taken away from the illegal knee to the head of a downed opponent. I'll call it a wash and happily hand Browne the legit win