Originally posted by: Iron Date: January 18, 2016 at 06:59 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
You keep hearing the rumblings of fighters saying they are not getting paid what they deserve but they don't want to speak up too loudly for fear of retaliation. It was confirmed Nate was receiving $20,000 to show and $20,000 to win. Is that proportional to how much the UFC makes off of him? Cruz just said he wants to be paid for his services before they talk about the next fight. Now the fighters are locked into a Reebok deal and don't make real sponsor money. Dana doesn't live a lifestyle that looks like he is hurting for money.
Originally posted by: Reckin007 Date: January 18, 2016 at 08:33 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Originally posted by: mabrown45 Date: January 18, 2016 at 08:38 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Iron said:
You keep hearing the rumblings of fighters saying they are not getting paid what they deserve but they don't want to speak up too loudly for fear of retaliation. It was confirmed Nate was receiving $20,000 to show and $20,000 to win. Is that proportional to how much the UFC makes off of him? Cruz just said he wants to be paid for his services before they talk about the next fight. Now the fighters are locked into a Reebok deal and don't make real sponsor money. Dana doesn't live a lifestyle that looks like he is hurting for money.
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first.......using Nate as an example means you don't know the history of his contract. Nate renegotiated and took a really large upfront bonus in-exchange for smaller fight purses.
I would fighter pay is proportionate to sports like the NFL and NBA
Originally posted by: Reckin007 Date: January 18, 2016 at 09:02 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Originally posted by: BRF Date: January 18, 2016 at 09:03 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Reckin007 said:
What is the magic number for "not being ripped off"?
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Reckin007 said:
Zzzzz.
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I bet you don't complain about how much Zuffa pays you.
Originally posted by: Jak Date: January 18, 2016 at 09:28 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
I haven't been privy to the detailed inner workings of Nate Diaz's contractual talks, so it would be hard for me to say. He has a highly paid veteran brother and an experienced gym full of moderate to high contract fighters, I would assume that through those resources he would get better advice than what I think.
Originally posted by: 7time Date: January 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Where is the "They're getting paid what the contract they signed stated they be paid" option. These guys signed on knowing what they'd be paid and most times are paid even more then their contract stipulates.
Don't give me the whole reebok is costing them money bulls--- either.
Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer Date: January 18, 2016 at 10:20 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Originally posted by: bigdmmafan Date: January 18, 2016 at 10:22 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
It wasn't confirmed by anybody that Nate is making 20k/20k. That was his reported salary to the commission. If you believe that then I assume you also believe Josh Thomson makes 10k in Bellator and King Mo makes 15k(with no win bonus for either fighter) since those were their last reported salaries to the commission as well.
Listen obviously fighter pay needs to be increased and I'm honestly all for it but I just get tired of people using the reported salaries. They honestly don't mean much. Mousasi had a reported salary of 2k(yes 2,000) for his first Strikeforce fight.
Originally posted by: Iron Date: January 18, 2016 at 10:22 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Some harsh responses.. I bet if you guys were fighters you wouldn't have that attitude. Usually, when the large majority says there is a problem, there is a problem. Umm and yes, I would bet the whole reebok thing is making a lot of the fighters lose a ton of money. I highly doubt all of them would lie. Schaub broke down some exact number and it was a huge difference. It sounds like as long as you many of you can watch them fight, you could care less if the fighters are getting paid a fair amount.
Originally posted by: Iron Date: January 18, 2016 at 10:23 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
7time said:
Where is the "They're getting paid what the contract they signed stated they be paid" option. These guys signed on knowing what they'd be paid and most times are paid even more then their contract stipulates.
Don't give me the whole reebok is costing them money bulls--- either.[
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This has to be one of the clueless posts I have read on this board.
You should receive an automatic life ban.
Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer Date: January 18, 2016 at 10:31 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Dana says it with gall, that's been part of the UFC's strategy.
It's how they're different than Boxing; keep all of the leverage with the promoters, keep the fighters strung along.
Originally posted by: Reckin007 Date: January 18, 2016 at 10:42 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
BRF said:
I bet you don't complain about how much Zuffa pays you.
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Well what's the number? Everyone just wants to argue about some black and white yes they are paid what they deserve or no they're not...well what is the number that people believe fighter's deserve? How can you make an argument without that figure in mind? Also note that throwing out percentages doesn't work because you have no idea what these guys get paid today. So basically this isn't even an argument. I mean, does every fighter deserve a 1M home? Do they deserve to buy more cars then they know what to do with? Is that the expectation financially? It just floors me how much backlash there is about fighter pay when people have zero clue what the real numbers are...whether it be the figures that goes into the fighter's bank account, or how Zuffa is using the money they have. This isn't even a pro-UFC argument or whatever, its about basic business that I'd assume most people on this forum should understand by now.
Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer Date: January 18, 2016 at 11:01 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Dana cheats the fighters
for the good of the sport
... didn't you know?
Video clip below -- the question is regarding boring fights/fighters ("LNP"), possibly changing rules to incentivize more action in the ring/cage....
Answer starts off addressing Ref's interpretation of the rules and when to re-set stalling fighters... but Dana can't help himself, essentially admits to cheating fighters -- he suggests multi-millionaires don't fight exciting fights.
With the promoter/middleman maintaining the leverage in the equation, fighters can't get too rich... thus saving the sport.
@ 30:24
Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer Date: January 18, 2016 at 11:11 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Originally posted by: Jak Date: January 18, 2016 at 11:23 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Iron said:
Some harsh responses.. I bet if you guys were fighters you wouldn't have that attitude.
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How about the fact that women champions make in line with what male champions do and that Rousey was either highest paid or second highest paid UFCer last year.
How about the fact that in the sports world where women are notoriously paid at a fraction of what men are, the UFC came out swinging towards women pay and not only are champions pay in line, so are their reebok champion/challenger amounts the same, so are their fight night bonuses. Women have an equal chance as men at winning those bonus's as well. Even their base pay dwarfs any other women's organizations.
Compared to say the NBA/WNBA. A much bigger wealthier league.
I'm anxiously looking forward to your response.
Originally posted by: Neonep Date: January 18, 2016 at 11:39 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
The thing that sucks is that outside of a small handful of fighters, none of the fighters have leverage. I hate when the UFC uses the whole NFL, NBA, etc comparisons in any argument because that is simply in correct. Players in the NFL & NBA can weigh their options from various teams, and then make a decision. The fighters in MMA can't really do that, UFC fighters get paid the best in the current landscape of MMA. Also fighters don't have an association in place to protect them in negotiations such as Reebok deal. The NBA players association were there when the new television deal was done a year or so ago. If you are a fan of the NBA, pay attention after this season is over and see how players pay will go up because of that.
NBA & NFL players get approximately 50% of the revenue generated. The UFC generated revenue of about $650 million in 2015. Guarantee the payroll wasn't that. Let's do some simple math. Lets be generous and say the UFC generated $600 million. Now let's take a look at 2015, there were 41 events (13 PPV's, 4 Fox cards, 22 Fight nights, & 2 TUF Finales) and let's assume (even though we know this isn't the case with smaller cards and an anomalies like 194) that the average payroll for each event is 2 million. That leaves us at approximately $82 million. That's roughly 13.7% of revenue.
Originally posted by: Spud Date: January 19, 2016 at 12:38 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Originally posted by: mmablaster Date: January 19, 2016 at 12:43 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
Sure. Fighters should get paid for the use of their likeness. They should be able to get a couple sponsors on their Reebok shorts. There should be minimums for being on the televised prelims maybe 20/20K and the main card fights maybe 25/25K.
Bottom line is that if fighters don't get paid more we aren't going to see top flight athletes choose to become fighters.
Originally posted by: mabrown45 Date: January 19, 2016 at 01:11 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/is-the-ufc-completely-ripping-the-fighters-off.68261/
