JDS Doesn't Remember Most of Cain Fight

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Galgorian
Date: October 22, 2013 at 08:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

From MMAFighting
Following a second unsuccessful challenge of UFC heavyweight champion
Cain Velasquez
' crown,
Junior dos Santos
may have revealed some unsettling news regarding the sort of damage he absorbed for five rounds. According to a
report via Combate
,
'Cigano' was said to have thought he was actually knocked out sometime during the second round.
Dos Santos, of course, was stopped after a failed submission attempt resulted in his head striking the Octagon mat 3:09 into the fifth and final round in the main event at
UFC 166
.
The report also claims
dos Santos couldn't recall being interviewed by UFC commentator
Joe Rogan
following the bout and that his team believed he fought rounds three through five 'on autopilot.'
"I'm feeling good. I came to the hospital to have some stitches in the cut I had. The pain is only in the heart, because I didn't manage to give a good performance in the Octagon," he said in a message relayed via Combate.com
​
"Now it's time to go back to the gym and train, dedicate myself to come back stronger than ever and, who knows, some day dispute the championship again and be able to honor the support from everybody who believed in me."
​
​
Dos Santos received standard post-fight medical treatment on-scene at Houston's Toyota Center before being sent to a hospital to undergo more thorough cranial and brain scans. Following the event, UFC president
Dana White
remarked that he believed dos Santos suffered unnecessary damage in a fight that
should have been stopped much sooner
. "I just don't think he needed to take any more punishment," said White. "I always like to say that if anybody in his f**king corner cares about him, please, throw in that towel."
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That is scary. If Dos Santos suffered so much punishment he doesn't remember being interviewed by Rogan, I actually think he should retire.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: October 22, 2013 at 08:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

Galgorian said:
From MMAFighting
That is scary. If Dos Santos suffered so much punishment he doesn't remember being interviewed by Rogan, I actually think he should retire.
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This happens way more often than you think man...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MMAFTM13
Date: October 22, 2013 at 08:22 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

This does happen a lot apparently. I can remember when Evan Tanner fought Rich Franklin and Rich was badly rocked in the first round(if I can remember if it was the first, maybe second) and Rich recovered and won the fight, then in an interview a day later he had no recollection of the rest of the fight after he got hurt, even when he got interviewed after the fight...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: October 22, 2013 at 08:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

Happens often in football as well...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Contender
Date: October 22, 2013 at 08:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

I have to say that I've noticed that a lot of fights seem to go on longer than they should. Fighters won't give up even when they're beaten and all they end up doing is taking more punishment. Maybe there needs to be some sort of involuntary stoppage by doctor, somehow determined with a quick cognitive test?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MMAenCORE
Date: October 22, 2013 at 08:59 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

Zuben said:
It does happen a lot, but the amount of brain damage JDS just received is very significant. I'm not saying he should retire, but I think it's more evidence that the fight should have been stopped much earlier. I think Herb Deen saw this, but doubted his instincts because of the magnitude of the fight.
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Agree.significant and SO non-necessary!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

Could have also been partly the effect of the bash on the top of the head that ultimately ended the fight. That's the kind of hit in football that often gives guys concussions. The way he fell on his head was very awkward and jammed his neck a bit too. Not saying Cain's fists didn't have anything to do with it but that could have been the icing on the cake.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: callithowyouseeit
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

Contender said:
I have to say that I've noticed that a lot of fights seem to go on longer than they should. Fighters won't give up even when they're beaten and all they end up doing is taking more punishment. Maybe there needs to be some sort of involuntary stoppage by doctor, somehow determined with a quick cognitive test?
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That right there is a slippery slope... and a proposition that could ruin the sport.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: callithowyouseeit
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:07 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

Zuben said:
It does happen a lot, but the amount of brain damage JDS just received is very significant. I'm not saying he should retire, but I think it's more evidence that the fight should have been stopped much earlier. I think Herb Deen saw this, but doubted his instincts because of the magnitude of the fight.
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I always like to see refs air on the side of continuation during fights of high magnitude. But Dean pushed the limits here. It was downright criminal to allow JDS to walk out for that 5th round.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

callithowyouseeit said:
I always like to see refs air on the side of continuation during fights of high magnitude. But Dean pushed the limits here. It was downright criminal to allow JDS to walk out for that 5th round.
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I agree but to be fair to Herb, JDS took a worse beating in the first fight (or I should say second fight) and no one complained about not stopping that one.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: demeter
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:24 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

I would have been happy if they stopped the the fight after the 4th round, it's rare that I actually feel sorry for fighters but JDS was pretty much propping himself up on the cage for the latter part of the round and winging shots at air.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: princecharlestampon
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:24 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

cmvideo75 said:
I agree but to be fair to Herb, JDS took a worse beating in the first fight (or I should say second fight) and no one complained about not stopping that one.
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I may have to watch the second fight because I thought JDS was in worse shape this time around?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:28 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

princecharlestampon said:
I may have to watch the second fight because I thought JDS was in worse shape this time around?
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I don't know... at least in this fight JDS was still throwing elbows and offering a little offense late in the fight. In that second fight, I just remember him getting beat on and beat on and beat on with no resistance. Although there were a few times in this fight that I thought Cain let him off the hook too so maybe it was worse. Either way, 2 horrendous beating he took.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: princecharlestampon
Date: October 22, 2013 at 09:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

cmvideo75 said:
I don't know... at least in this fight JDS was still throwing elbows and offering a little offense late in the fight. In that second fight, I just remember him getting beat on and beat on and beat on with no resistance. Although there were a few times in this fight that I thought Cain let him off the hook too so maybe it was worse. Either way, 2 horrendous beating he took.
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I know, poor guy
You could tell he was on autopilot, especially during the 4th & 5th round.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 67goat
Date: October 22, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

Zuben said:
It does happen a lot, but the amount of brain damage JDS just received is very significant. I'm not saying he should retire, but I think it's more evidence that the fight should have been stopped much earlier. I think Herb Deen saw this, but doubted his instincts because of the magnitude of the fight.
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It is way too early to tell if JDS received any permanent brain damage. He obviously suffered a concussion, which accounts for the memory loss, but when his memory stops is not an indicator of when the concussion was suffered. It could have been several minutes before or after the memory loss. Brain damage is not a given, though if he gets back into training too soon it could make some of the effects permanent.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: renjr84
Date: October 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

I know Dean maybe should have stopped the fight but what about his corner.. you can still be a man and have your corner thrown in the towel so you dont take any morie beatings... you dont need to be Apollo Creed man.. swallow your pride, in the 5th rd you didnt have the power or energy to land a 1 punch ko anyways

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: October 22, 2013 at 01:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

PsychoIcon said:
This happens way more often than you think man...
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Yeah, that's no big deal really.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: October 22, 2013 at 02:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

So much emphasis is put on a fighters "heart" and "warrior mentality", & less on fighter safety. No one is doubting JDS' toughness, the dude is a beast. But I agree this fight should have been stopped in the 3rd.
BJ Penn was criticized for his corner stopping the GSP fight, but it was the right move.
Unfortunately fights like these last 2 against Cain are what can cut a fighters career very short.
Look at Liddell. He was never the same after that KO by Rashad.
Hope he gets back to knocking people out, just not against Cain.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: thedarkwingduck2k11
Date: October 22, 2013 at 02:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

yeah some of these guys have a amazing heart and chin, but are severely outclassed. the only other time was i was begging the ref to stop the fight in my mind was the maldonado and glover texeira fight. how maldonado was still conscious after that beating was amazing.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sunfish Hero
Date: October 22, 2013 at 04:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jds-doesnt-remember-most-of-cain-fight.59308/

PsychoIcon said:
This happens way more often than you think man...
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I remember Tim Sylvia saying the same thing after his bout with Couture. After that first punch, he said he didn't really wake back up until mid way through the 5th round.