Jorge Santiago: Top 10 MW that's not talked about

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Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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Jorge Santiago is the most underrated Middleweight in the world today. Ranked #9 by most websites in the Middleweight division, Jorge has shown ultimate destruction since being knocked out by Leben and Belcher. Since losing those two fights, the Ultimate Fighter 5 fighter has gone 10-1 since, losing soley to Mamed Khalidov. However, he defeated him right back and has beaten the likes of Sean Salmon, Jeremy Horn, Kizuo Misaki twice, Trevor Prangley, Nakamura, etc. Quite impressive. Yes, he has a questionable chin and yes he was not very successful against two gatekeepers in the UFC, but do you think Jorge Santiago could hang with the fighters in the UFC? Does the Sengoku star really deserve the top ten ranking he has?
Well Junkies?
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:12 PM
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I don't think he's a top 10 MW. He's another one of those guys that is doing great against bad competition. He came to the UFC, got stomped, and has been beating cans ever since. He was hyped to be a badass, but that hype has faded for the most part. There are still a few that think he's great, and some people even rank him top 5.
Edit: Just went looking at rankings, and FightMetrics has him at 5, and BloodyElbow has him at 18th. That's a pretty big disparity.
 
Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:15 PM
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MMANews has him at 7, Weekly has him at 9 and I think Topgun has him at 11
 
Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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multiple post please delete
 
Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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Multiple post, please delete
 
Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:15 PM
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He is solid, but he needs to fight in SF or UFC to be considered top 10 MW
 
Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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Multiple post, please delete
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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RearNakedSlam said:
I don't think he's a top 10 MW. He's another one of those guys that is doing great against bad competition. He came to the UFC, got stomped, and has been beating cans ever since. He was hyped to be a badass, but that hype has faded for the most part.
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+1 couldn't agree more...I've always been undecided on him, largely because I've never seen him against a decent or even top 10 opponenet. He has a ton of potential though.
Edit: Just went looking at rankings, and FightMetrics has him at 5, and BloodyElbow has him at 18th. That's a pretty big disparity.
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That's because his stats are good. Statistically, he can finish, lands a lot of strikes, takes people down etc. It's just that he's been doing all these things against average opponents.
 
Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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smfowns4 said:
Jorge Santiago is the most underrated Middleweight in the world today. Ranked #9 by most websites in the Middleweight division, Jorge has shown ultimate destruction since being knocked out by Leben and Belcher. Since losing those two fights, the Ultimate Fighter 5 fighter has gone 10-1 since, losing soley to Mamed Khalidov. However, he defeated him right back and has beaten the likes of Sean Salmon, Jeremy Horn, Kizuo Misaki twice, Trevor Prangley, Nakamura, etc. Quite impressive. Yes, he has a questionable chin and yes he was not very successful against two gatekeepers in the UFC, but do you think Jorge Santiago could hang with the fighters in the UFC? Does the Sengoku star really deserve the top ten ranking he has?
Well Junkies?
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Read that list of fighters that he's beaten again and be honest about them. They aren't that impressive at all. I don't think Sean Salmon and the word impressive should be used in the same paragraph. IMO he's another guy like Robbie Lawler. Couldn't cut in the UFC, leaves, beats some cans and gets massively overrated.
 
Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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Sedulous said:
smfowns4 said:
Jorge Santiago is the most underrated Middleweight in the world today. Ranked #9 by most websites in the Middleweight division, Jorge has shown ultimate destruction since being knocked out by Leben and Belcher. Since losing those two fights, the Ultimate Fighter 5 fighter has gone 10-1 since, losing soley to Mamed Khalidov. However, he defeated him right back and has beaten the likes of Sean Salmon, Jeremy Horn, Kizuo Misaki twice, Trevor Prangley, Nakamura, etc. Quite impressive. Yes, he has a questionable chin and yes he was not very successful against two gatekeepers in the UFC, but do you think Jorge Santiago could hang with the fighters in the UFC? Does the Sengoku star really deserve the top ten ranking he has?
Well Junkies?
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Read that list of fighters that he's beaten again and be honest about them. They aren't that impressive at all. I don't think Sean Salmon and the word impressive should be used in the same paragraph. IMO he's another guy like Robbie Lawler. Couldn't cut in the UFC, leaves, beats some cans and gets massively overrated.
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Perhaps. But I do not agree with the assumption that he's overrated. I mean, who even discusses this guy?
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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smfowns4 said:
Perhaps. But I do not agree with the assumption that he's overrated. I mean, who even discusses this guy?
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You over rated him in the title of this thread by calling him a top 10 MW. That's what we're all referring to when we say he's over rated.
 
Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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smfowns4 said:
Sedulous said:
smfowns4 said:
Jorge Santiago is the most underrated Middleweight in the world today. Ranked #9 by most websites in the Middleweight division, Jorge has shown ultimate destruction since being knocked out by Leben and Belcher. Since losing those two fights, the Ultimate Fighter 5 fighter has gone 10-1 since, losing soley to Mamed Khalidov. However, he defeated him right back and has beaten the likes of Sean Salmon, Jeremy Horn, Kizuo Misaki twice, Trevor Prangley, Nakamura, etc. Quite impressive. Yes, he has a questionable chin and yes he was not very successful against two gatekeepers in the UFC, but do you think Jorge Santiago could hang with the fighters in the UFC? Does the Sengoku star really deserve the top ten ranking he has?
Well Junkies?
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Read that list of fighters that he's beaten again and be honest about them. They aren't that impressive at all. I don't think Sean Salmon and the word impressive should be used in the same paragraph. IMO he's another guy like Robbie Lawler. Couldn't cut in the UFC, leaves, beats some cans and gets massively overrated.
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Perhaps. But I do not agree with the assumption that he's overrated. I mean, who even discusses this guy?
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What does discussing him have anything to do with the fact that he's overrated? Who has he ever beaten that had even a promise of being in the top 10? He's MASSIVELY overrated.
 
Originally posted by: Noodles4-LJ4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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I put Santiago in my Top 5-7 a while back in a Thread and somebody told me I was crazy. Some haven't got over the fact he got KO'd by Chis Leben and more recently KO'd by Khalidov while he was in top position. But the Leben loss was so long ago, he's gotten better since then and the Khalidov fight he came back and dominated in the next fight.
 
Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:47 PM
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Noodles4-LJ4 said:
I put Santiago in my Top 5-7 a while back in a Thread and somebody told me I was crazy. Some haven't got over the fact he got KO'd by Chis Leben and more recently KO'd by Khalidov while he was in top position. But the Leben loss was so long ago, he's gotten better since then and the Khalidov fight he came back and dominated in the next fight.
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He's dominated outside of the UFC against mediocre competition. That doesn't deserve a top 10 ranking at all.
 
Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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Hasnt fought anyone significant. Top 20.
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:51 PM
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Noodles4-LJ4 said:
I put Santiago in my Top 5-7 a while back in a Thread and somebody told me I was crazy. Some haven't got over the fact he got KO'd by Chis Leben and more recently KO'd by Khalidov while he was in top position. But the Leben loss was so long ago, he's gotten better since then and the Khalidov fight he came back and dominated in the next fight.
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You say that like it's impressive. He got KO'd by a nobody and then came back and KO'd a nobody later. His only real competition have all beaten him senseless.
Horn, Salmon, and Prangley are his only noteworthy wins, and maybe if he'd gotten then 5 years ago when Horn and Prangley were worth mentioning I would consider him for top 10, but as it stands he'd be lucky to be top 15.
 
Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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RearNakedSlam said:
Noodles4-LJ4 said:
I put Santiago in my Top 5-7 a while back in a Thread and somebody told me I was crazy. Some haven't got over the fact he got KO'd by Chis Leben and more recently KO'd by Khalidov while he was in top position. But the Leben loss was so long ago, he's gotten better since then and the Khalidov fight he came back and dominated in the next fight.
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You say that like it's impressive. He got KO'd by a nobody and then came back and KO'd a nobody later. His only real competition have all beaten him senseless.
Horn, Salmon, and Prangley are his only noteworthy wins, and maybe if he'd gotten then 5 years ago when Horn and Prangley were worth mentioning I would consider him for top 10, but as it stands he'd be lucky to be top 15.
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Mamed Khalidov is not a nobody.
 
Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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smfowns4 said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Noodles4-LJ4 said:
I put Santiago in my Top 5-7 a while back in a Thread and somebody told me I was crazy. Some haven't got over the fact he got KO'd by Chis Leben and more recently KO'd by Khalidov while he was in top position. But the Leben loss was so long ago, he's gotten better since then and the Khalidov fight he came back and dominated in the next fight.
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You say that like it's impressive. He got KO'd by a nobody and then came back and KO'd a nobody later. His only real competition have all beaten him senseless.
Horn, Salmon, and Prangley are his only noteworthy wins, and maybe if he'd gotten then 5 years ago when Horn and Prangley were worth mentioning I would consider him for top 10, but as it stands he'd be lucky to be top 15.
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Mamed Khalidov is not a nobody.
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Hes not a somebody neither.
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: November 08, 2010 at 05:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/jorge-santiago-top-10-mw-thats-not-talked-about.32165/
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smfowns4 said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Noodles4-LJ4 said:
I put Santiago in my Top 5-7 a while back in a Thread and somebody told me I was crazy. Some haven't got over the fact he got KO'd by Chis Leben and more recently KO'd by Khalidov while he was in top position. But the Leben loss was so long ago, he's gotten better since then and the Khalidov fight he came back and dominated in the next fight.
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You say that like it's impressive. He got KO'd by a nobody and then came back and KO'd a nobody later. His only real competition have all beaten him senseless.
Horn, Salmon, and Prangley are his only noteworthy wins, and maybe if he'd gotten then 5 years ago when Horn and Prangley were worth mentioning I would consider him for top 10, but as it stands he'd be lucky to be top 15.
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Mamed Khalidov is not a nobody.
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Yeah, you're right, he beat Jorge Santiago I hear. :lol: :roll:
He's a nobody in the context of rankings.
 
Originally posted by: metalmike00
Date: November 08, 2010 at 09:07 PM
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santiago almost lost both times against misaki, misaki got overly agressive and cost himself both fights.
a win against nak is not impressive at all.
 
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