Just rewatched Sonnen/Silva

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: alexftw
Date: March 17, 2011 at 11:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

I didn't realize that Sonnen spent the majority of the first round and a lot of the fight in half guard and even had Silva's back multiple times. Sonnen landed some big shots on the ground and I think that's a testament to Silva's chin that he was able to take all those punches. Also, Sonnen defended quite a few sub attempts and even threw his own in there, even if they weren't really followed through beyond the initial attempt. This is the first time I've watched it since it was live, and there were a bunch of little things that I had forgot about it. I don't see how people can call Sonnen boring(not that I necessarily see that very often, but yeah), but I love watching his fights. Partially because he's in his opponent's face the whole time, and partially because there's always a chance for him to get subbed. It keeps me on the edge of my seat.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Galgorian
Date: March 18, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

I've watched it back a few times, its a great fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: reghartner
Date: March 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

ive never lumped sonnen in with the boring wrestler thing. he doesnt finish fights a lot, but he at least seems to hurt his opponents unlike fitch who seems to just tire them out. hes more exciting to watch and postures up more for gnp which is in part why he has a weakness for submissions.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: March 18, 2011 at 12:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

alexftw said:
Sonnen landed some big shots on the ground and I think that's a testament to Silva's chin that he was able to take all those punches
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You know Silva had to have migraine after that fight. Most of them hit the mat right after Sonnen hit him, there wasn't much give.
I know Silva won, but Sonnen beat the h*ll out of him. I especially loved how Sonnen walks right through Silva's strikes in the first few rounds, that was the most impressive part to me.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: the0n3
Date: March 18, 2011 at 01:24 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

I thought it was great when Sonnen was clapping onto Silva's ears. Reminded me of that Sherlock Holmes movie where he "discombobulates" the enemy.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: alexftw
Date: March 18, 2011 at 02:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Jak said:
alexftw said:
Sonnen landed some big shots on the ground and I think that's a testament to Silva's chin that he was able to take all those punches
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You know Silva had to have migraine after that fight. Most of them hit the mat right after Sonnen hit him, there wasn't much give.
I know Silva won, but Sonnen beat the h*ll out of him. I especially loved how Sonnen walks right through Silva's strikes in the first few rounds, that was the most impressive part to me.
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Yeah, Sonnen can definitely take a punch. That elbow he took could have KO'd some people, and he took it like a champ.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Portillo
Date: March 18, 2011 at 02:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Im the biggest AS nut hugger there is but I honestly believe Silva almost knocked him out in the first round and if he wasnt "injured" he probably would have.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: March 18, 2011 at 02:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

reghartner said:
ive never lumped sonnen in with the boring wrestler thing. he doesnt finish fights a lot, but he at least seems to hurt his opponents unlike fitch who seems to just tire them out. hes more exciting to watch and postures up more for gnp which is in part why he has a weakness for submissions.
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My thoughts are close to yours. I don't really like Sonnen, but he is a good fighter. The only thing I don't like about him is that he doesn't finish fights. Most of the time he doesn't even try. But he does beat the hell out of people. His fights for the most part are not boring.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: alexftw
Date: March 18, 2011 at 02:55 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Sapper said:
reghartner said:
ive never lumped sonnen in with the boring wrestler thing. he doesnt finish fights a lot, but he at least seems to hurt his opponents unlike fitch who seems to just tire them out. hes more exciting to watch and postures up more for gnp which is in part why he has a weakness for submissions.
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My thoughts are close to yours. I don't really like Sonnen, but he is a good fighter. The only thing I don't like about him is that he doesn't finish fights. Most of the time he doesn't even try. But he does beat the hell out of people. His fights for the most part are not boring.
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Yeah that is a bit disappointing. I feel with his control he should be able to get some RNC's or something, but he doesn't like throwing the hooks in, or really going for chokes at all.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: March 18, 2011 at 03:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

alexftw said:
I didn't realize that Sonnen spent the majority of the first round and a lot of the fight in half guard and even had Silva's back multiple times. Sonnen landed some big shots on the ground and I think that's a testament to Silva's chin that he was able to take all those punches. Also, Sonnen defended quite a few sub attempts and even threw his own in there, even if they weren't really followed through beyond the initial attempt. This is the first time I've watched it since it was live, and there were a bunch of little things that I had forgot about it. I don't see how people can call Sonnen boring(not that I necessarily see that very often, but yeah), but I love watching his fights. Partially because he's in his opponent's face the whole time, and partially because there's always a chance for him to get subbed. It keeps me on the edge of my seat.
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Who called Sonnen boring??

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: March 18, 2011 at 03:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Valiant effort. :lol:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: March 18, 2011 at 03:54 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Jak said:
alexftw said:
Sonnen landed some big shots on the ground and I think that's a testament to Silva's chin that he was able to take all those punches
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You know Silva had to have migraine after that fight. Most of them hit the mat right after Sonnen hit him, there wasn't much give.
I know Silva won, but Sonnen beat the h*ll out of him. I especially loved how Sonnen walks right through Silva's strikes in the first few rounds, that was the most impressive part to me.
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you are right
I think that Sonnen was the better fighter, and I think that Sonnen is better than Anderson thats why I dont think Anderson is the best P4P....and no Im not saying Sonnen would beat GSP or even Vitor....styles make fights and Sonnen is just a bad match up for Anderson...........Sonnen made that mental mistake at the end of the fight, and psychologically speaking it was nothing to do with skills it was more of a mental.....as we seen him make that mistake in the past over and over again
But after the fight was over Anderson def took the biggest beating that night, and I bet he had migraine for the next few weeks after the fight

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: residency
Date: March 18, 2011 at 04:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Seen the fight a good 15 times. Event poster on my wall. I own (a replica) of Sonnen's walkout tee.
Possibly my favourite fight of all time, involving my favourite fighter even though he loses.
alexftw said:
Sapper said:
reghartner said:
ive never lumped sonnen in with the boring wrestler thing. he doesnt finish fights a lot, but he at least seems to hurt his opponents unlike fitch who seems to just tire them out. hes more exciting to watch and postures up more for gnp which is in part why he has a weakness for submissions.
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My thoughts are close to yours. I don't really like Sonnen, but he is a good fighter. The only thing I don't like about him is that he doesn't finish fights. Most of the time he doesn't even try. But he does beat the hell out of people. His fights for the most part are not boring.
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Yeah that is a bit disappointing. I feel with his control he should be able to get some RNC's or something, but he doesn't like throwing the hooks in, or really going for chokes at all.
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If he was offensive with any form of BJJ, he probably would. Given his wrestling background and GnP style, he's gonna roll with you if you're on your back and end up back in your guard delivering more punches.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: juan_m3
Date: March 18, 2011 at 06:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Yeah, great fight.!
You're right. Some people criticize Sonnen as being boring simply because he hasn't finished a lot of fights recently, but the fights are actually very exciting to me. Same with Edgar. Sure he doesn't get a lot of finishes but I think they are very exciting fights. Certainly more exciting than a a couple rounds of little then a KO. Sure those have a finish but doesn't make them very exciting (like Mir-Cro Cop at 119).
And people say Sonnen has zero sub defense and doesn't practice it. The thing is, those submissions happen on the ground, often from the guy underneath. Because of his excellent wrestling, where do you think Sonnen ends up for most minutes of most fights? On the ground, on top. Sure I think he could be better at avoiding and getting out of them, but I think he deserves more credit.
How else do you stop the guy? He's tough as hell wrestler, so you're unlikely to control him to a decision. He has a great chin and is rarely stopped by T/KO (1 or 2 times in his career I think). So it's not a big surprise to see his losses being to subs most often.
Though I do think Anderson's injury played a role in that fight. I know Sonnen can get him down if he wasn't injured, but some of the times it seemed way easy, like Anderson didn't put up much of a fight. Maybe I'll rewatch it and point out some specific times.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: juan_m3
Date: March 18, 2011 at 06:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Oh yeah, that definitely shows how tough Silva is and that he does have a good chin. People criticize Sonnen's punching power, and a lot of his punches, especially in the later rounds, weren't that big. But especially in the first he smashed Silva hard on the ground and he just took it!
That boxing of the ears much suck. It's nothing something you see much, but when I seen that for the first time, I lightly did it to myself and I could see that being pretty bad!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: alexftw
Date: March 18, 2011 at 06:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

juan_m3 said:
Yeah, great fight.!
You're right. Some people criticize Sonnen as being boring simply because he hasn't finished a lot of fights recently, but the fights are actually very exciting to me. Same with Edgar. Sure he doesn't get a lot of finishes but I think they are very exciting fights. Certainly more exciting than a a couple rounds of little then a KO. Sure those have a finish but doesn't make them very exciting (like Mir-Cro Cop at 119).
And people say Sonnen has zero sub defense and doesn't practice it. The thing is, those submissions happen on the ground, often from the guy underneath. Because of his excellent wrestling, where do you think Sonnen ends up for most minutes of most fights? On the ground, on top. Sure I think he could be better at avoiding and getting out of them, but I think he deserves more credit.
How else do you stop the guy? He's tough as hell wrestler, so you're unlikely to control him to a decision. He has a great chin and is rarely stopped by T/KO (1 or 2 times in his career I think). So it's not a big surprise to see his losses being to subs most often.
Though I do think Anderson's injury played a role in that fight. I know Sonnen can get him down if he wasn't injured, but some of the times it seemed way easy, like Anderson didn't put up much of a fight. Maybe I'll rewatch it and point out some specific times.
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I never thought about it that way. You're not likely to win by decision against him, because generally if you're fighting him, you're on your back. You're not necessarily going to tko him, because, again, you're going to be on your back. Therefore, the only real way to beat him is to sub him. Good viewpoint.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheSituation
Date: March 18, 2011 at 08:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

juan_m3 said:
Oh yeah, that definitely shows how tough Silva is and that he does have a good chin. People criticize Sonnen's punching power, and a lot of his punches, especially in the later rounds, weren't that big. But especially in the first he smashed Silva hard on the ground and he just took it!
That boxing of the ears much suck. It's nothing something you see much, but when I seen that for the first time, I lightly did it to myself and I could see that being pretty bad!
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I double ear clapped some young punk one night and let me tell you, I've cracked a few people in my day but never did someone go down as fast as this guy. His hands were on his ears almost before I pulled my own hands away, he hit the ground and just writhed in pain for five minutes.... "WTF did you do?!" he kept yelling over and over "I can't f---ing hear!!"
Thankfully his hearing came back but I surely won't hesitate to do it again. If he hadn't dropped so quick a good follow up would be the head butt to the bridge of the nose, if anyone wants to try that one and let me know how it works.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: armbarandgrill
Date: March 18, 2011 at 08:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

sonnen provided 99% of the action and 99% of the excitment in that fight.
out of all the fights i ever watched this was the most exciting and rewarding...up until "it" happened.
seeing ANYONE do that to silva...even getting sub'd afterwards...is something i'd enjoy to the fullest.
can't wait til sonnen comes back and i hope silva doesnt run away before the rematch, but i have a feeling he doesnt want any more of that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: March 18, 2011 at 09:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Ive watched it couple times and I still cant understand how Andersson Silva could win it? He had decided beforehand to end in with submission to respect the jits from Nogueira, he revealed it by coming to the cage for the first time in bjj kimono, he had his ribs hurt, probably even broken, and he was facing a guy who was roided up to the neck and caught afterwards, the odds favored the guy on steroids, since he was healthy and his ribs working, and Anderson solely trying to only sub him and allowing Sonnen to take him to ground again and again and again.
Next time when they meet, AS wont have his ribs hurt, he isnt going to sub Sonnen but utilize his sick standup and Sonnen probably aint roided to the neck, Im waiting it more than Sonnen fans. Its going to be a bad night for Sonnen and his fans.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Thak27
Date: March 18, 2011 at 09:24 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-rewatched-sonnen-silva.36783/

Rami said:
He had decided beforehand to end in with submission to respect the jits from Nogueira, he revealed it by coming to the cage for the first time in bjj kimono, he had his ribs hurt, probably even broken, and he was facing a guy who was roided up to the neck and caught afterwards, the odds favored the guy on steroids, since he was healthy and his ribs working, and Anderson solely trying to only sub him and allowing Sonnen to take him to ground again and again and again.
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Maybe one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read.
"Anderson soley trying to only sub him and allowing Sonnen to take him to ground again and again"
Are you kidding me? Anderson did his best to keep the fight standing and knock Sonnen out at the beginning of every round only to have his below average take down defense fail him round after round.