just started tae kwon do...

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: justjustin
Date: January 12, 2009 at 07:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

Brick said:
Unearthed said:
Why such a negative attitude against TKD? I've never taken it or anything...just curious.
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I have nothing against TKD in particular. I have a negative attitude towards all things that suck.
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:lol: :lol:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sirgerbil
Date: January 12, 2009 at 07:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

Go and do some muay thai or wrestling... then fight a tkd guy with an overinflated ego. whenever you're feeling down about your skills, fighting a tkd guy always make things seem ok.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: clockwerk
Date: January 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

I guess I shouldn't be bothered by this. I do study TKD right now (although I've got decades of Jiu-Jitsu and Karate) but my dojang is light years away from playing "tag". We incorporate basic Boxing, Hapkido, Sambo and Muay Thai techniques to fill in TKD's gaps. TKD is used as a base for the kicking techniques and forms for gradings. Our Master himself says he looks at what we do more as Jeet Kune Do than Tae Kwon Do due to the amalgamation of styles we study.
Then again, I think that's what makes for a good school for any style.

 

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Originally posted by: dombrow3
Date: January 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

sirgerbil said:
Go and do some muay thai or wrestling... then fight a tkd guy with an overinflated ego. whenever you're feeling down about your skills, fighting a tkd guy always make things seem ok.
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I would have to agree. This past summer, this guy who everyone is afraid of because he is a black belt in TKD tried to pick a fight with me because I train MMA. I called his bluff for being a scumbag(he is a snake) and he continued to press the issue how he would whoop my ***. I got in my stance and started to close in on him. Right away, he puts his hands down and starts to quick snap kick me at my face. I started laughing at him. This is it? He kept backing up while I tried to close the distance. As I started to rush him to get closer so he couldnt do those tep kicks, he screams no take downs.
You are gonna pick a fight with me and then scream no take downs? Your a joke! I will never sign my children up for TKD. If they were to be taken to the ground where most fights end up mind you. They would be a fish out of water! This guy was a joke that in a fight kept his hands down and constantly ran! All in all, we didnt fight because he ran the entire time! All those years of TKD paid off!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sirgerbil
Date: January 14, 2009 at 06:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

dombrow3 said:
sirgerbil said:
Go and do some muay thai or wrestling... then fight a tkd guy with an overinflated ego. whenever you're feeling down about your skills, fighting a tkd guy always make things seem ok.
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I would have to agree. This past summer, this guy who everyone is afraid of because he is a black belt in TKD tried to pick a fight with me because I train MMA. I called his bluff for being a scumbag(he is a snake) and he continued to press the issue how he would whoop my ***. I got in my stance and started to close in on him. Right away, he puts his hands down and starts to quick snap kick me at my face. I started laughing at him. This is it? He kept backing up while I tried to close the distance. As I started to rush him to get closer so he couldnt do those tep kicks, he screams no take downs.
You are gonna pick a fight with me and then scream no take downs? Your a joke! I will never sign my children up for TKD. If they were to be taken to the ground where most fights end up mind you. They would be a fish out of water! This guy was a joke that in a fight kept his hands down and constantly ran! All in all, we didnt fight because he ran the entire time! All those years of TKD paid off!
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you just made my day. I'm going to go donate to charity.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: gobisping525
Date: February 18, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

i have recently started taekwondo. i should get my orange belt in mid march. i take mma classes at the same place and my instructer has said that mainly you just use the kicks you learn in taekwondo and thats it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoachCathleen
Date: February 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

Wow, how many of you that have posted here with an opinion on TKD have trained in any other martial art (or even TKD for that matter)?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: lookintotrain
Date: February 19, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

I really have to agree even with the simple takedowns and takedown defense I learned in Shito ryu karate I was LIGHT YEARS ahead of a guy I fought in a competition that was apparently a State Champ. Thats all I heard about going into it and as soon as I caught his leg and swept him he had no clue what to do the rest of the time. If you want to learn quick stand up you need boxing or muay thai if you have a TON of time to dedicate take Karate (you have to find a VERY GOOD school). Other than that learn your stand up and get in as much mat time as you can like others have said fights will end up on the ground and you need to know what to do.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: February 19, 2009 at 08:24 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

CoachCathleen said:
Wow, how many of you that have posted here with an opinion on TKD have trained in any other martial art (or even TKD for that matter)?
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I'll bite. I have a negative opinion and have Wrestled( 5 yrs), Marine Corps Martial Arts (4 yrs) Kickbox (2 yrs) No Gi JJ(1 year). I've also dabbled in Karate and Judo. But found them not violent enough for me.
How can a martial art be considered "good", if it doesn't teach ground offense/defense and has very limited punching? It has complex kicks that are fun to watch, but what do you do if an opponent clinches, or heaven forbid, takes you down?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: February 19, 2009 at 08:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

Heres the effectiveness of TKD in a cage.
TKD BB instructor vs. Random Muay Thai.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgLNJL2KFA&feature=related
Even in fights where TKD "won" over MT or Karate. The win was based on the torque of the kick knocking down the opponent, with the opponent no worse for wear.
How about TKD vs. Wrestling?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2y8b5QgXOk&feature=related

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoachCathleen
Date: February 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

bdmcleod said:
CoachCathleen said:
Wow, how many of you that have posted here with an opinion on TKD have trained in any other martial art (or even TKD for that matter)?
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I'll bite. I have a negative opinion and have Wrestled( 5 yrs), Marine Corps Martial Arts (4 yrs) Kickbox (2 yrs) No Gi JJ(1 year). I've also dabbled in Karate and Judo. But found them not violent enough for me.
How can a martial art be considered "good", if it doesn't teach ground offense/defense and has very limited punching? It has complex kicks that are fun to watch, but what do you do if an opponent clinches, or heaven forbid, takes you down?
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Hmmm...Thanks for the opinion.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoachCathleen
Date: February 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

bdmcleod said:
Heres the effectiveness of TKD in a cage.
How about TKD vs. Wrestling?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2y8b5QgXOk&feature=related
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Not to sway one way or the other but just so everyone has their facts straight. I'm pretty sure this is the fight your referring to right? http://archive.deseretnews.com/archive/664284/West-Valley-man-suffers-injury-in-Extreme-event.html
A first time fighter going against a well trained more experienced fighter....kinda sounds like your comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: February 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

CoachCathleen said:
bdmcleod said:
Heres the effectiveness of TKD in a cage.
How about TKD vs. Wrestling?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2y8b5QgXOk&feature=related
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Not to sway one way or the other but just so everyone has their facts straight. I'm pretty sure this is the fight your referring to right? http://archive.deseretnews.com/archive/664284/West-Valley-man-suffers-injury-in-Extreme-event.html
A first time fighter going against a well trained more experienced fighter....kinda sounds like your comparing apples and oranges.
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And how would a more experienced TKD fighter fare on the ground against a similar experienced wrestler? Maybe the same as this kungfu instructor did. Here's the cliffnotes version.
Snap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW4vKszHhtY
How about the fact that an olympian TKD'er blindsided a referee with a headkick and couldn't even put him out? The kicks are for show, they have no power behind them. Compare that to other striking based martial arts. I'm not impressed with TKD's performance.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: February 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

I have to agree with CoachCathleen, that nothing is proven by any given single fight between a practitioner of one style vs. a practitioner of another. There are too many other variables between two individuals other than style -- experience level, conditioning, strength, attitude, spirit, etc.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: February 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

Brick said:
I have to agree with CoachCathleen, that nothing is proven by any given single fight between a practitioner of one style vs. a practitioner of another. There are too many other variables between two individuals other than style -- experience level, conditioning, strength, attitude, spirit, etc.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Thats why I included video of a TKD blackbelt instructor being knocked out cold.
This is the bio of the man knocked cold
Ramsey is a martial arts instructor and personal trainer with years of experience teaching adults and children of all ages. A lifelong student of the martial arts and an active MMA fighter, Ramsey brings a wealth of knowledge to the table from a variety of disciplines.
Ramsey holds a black belt in Kukki-Taekwondo and intermediate ranks in shotokan karate, budoshin jujitsu, capoeira, and kobudo. Ramsey has competed in numerous MMA, Muay Thai, American kickboxing, submission grappling, and taekwondo tournaments.
Sounds pretty experienced to me.
Its also a fact that TKD doesn't train ground, and has very little hand striking. So what would make anyone assume that even an advanced Tae Kwon Do practitioner would hang with anyone even moderately experienced on the ground? Hope?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoachCathleen
Date: February 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

bdmcleod said:
CoachCathleen said:
bdmcleod said:
And how would a more experienced TKD fighter fare on the ground against a similar experienced wrestler? Maybe the same as this kungfu instructor did. Here's the cliffnotes version.
Snap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW4vKszHhtY
How about the fact that an olympian TKD'er blindsided a referee with a headkick and couldn't even put him out? The kicks are for show, they have no power behind them. Compare that to other striking based martial arts. I'm not impressed with TKD's performance.
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Right, so now Kungfu and Taekwondo are considered "the same"? I was under the impression that Kungfu originated in China by the military over 3,000 years ago? And I'm pretty sure that TKD is a Korean art; so two societies that have hated each other for centuries and have lead several wars with one another longer than our nation has even been around. But sure, they sound comparable. And did you happen to notice that this Kungfu instructor weighs as much as I do and yet he's competing against Goliath? Hmmm...sounds fair, don't you think?
And by pointing out a competitor in the Olympics that not only was banned by the WTF and ITF but thrown out of Olympic history records, I think your giving recognition to someone whom nobody is interested in claiming as "one of their own". So again, why not compare likes unto likes? In my opinion (not that your asking or anything) and from my experience, there are fighters and there are people who train to fight. It doesn't matter if use tactical fighting arts that have survived over the centuries or if you're using something you saw on Street Fighter (your old enough to remember SF right?) if your a fighter you'll get the job done. And if your not a fighter, it doesn't matter if you've dedicated your whole life to learning techniques that were once used to kill the masses, you will never win against someone with the a fighter mentality. Period.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: February 19, 2009 at 01:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

Right, so now Kungfu and Taekwondo are considered "the same"?
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No. I was merely showing how Martial Arts that don't train on the ground fare against fighters who do. In this case the KF instructor got eaten alive.
But sure, they sound comparable. And did you happen to notice that this Kungfu instructor weighs as much as I do and yet he's competing against Goliath? Hmmm...sounds fair, don't you think?
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Weight didn't have anything to do with his lack of knowledge on ground fighting. And he knew what he was getting into.
And by pointing out a competitor in the Olympics that not only was banned by the WTF and ITF but thrown out of Olympic history records, I think your giving recognition to someone whom nobody is interested in claiming as "one of their own".
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Yet he is still an Olympic-caliber TKD practitioner who barely fazed a referee with an unprovoked and undefended headkick. Oh and did you check out their size? The kicker had 4-5 inches and 50 lbs. on the kickee.Whether you "claim him" or not he still has the talent and skill.
It doesn't matter if use tactical fighting arts that have survived over the centuries or if you're using something you saw on Street Fighter (your old enough to remember SF right?)
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Nice. A veiled age attack. Way to be. :roll: Yeah I'm only 14. I served in the Marine Corps when I was 9 years old till 13. What can I say, I was big for my age.
if your a fighter you'll get the job done. And if your not a fighter, it doesn't matter if you've dedicated your whole life to learning techniques that were once used to kill the masses, you will never win against someone with the a fighter mentality. Period.
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Kind of like the TKD BB instructor right? He is an MMA fighter, as per his schools website, and his tenuous clinch skill was showcased nicely. But I noticed you haven't really mentioned him much. That may be because he doesn't fit your "lack of skill and experience, or size difference" counter-arguments.
You wanna learn TKD? Great. I'm glad someone is being is active and learning a martial art. Is it a good base for MMA? No. There are many better Martial Arts out there that are sport-oriented.

 

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Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: February 19, 2009 at 02:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

CoachCathleen said:
Wow, how many of you that have posted here with an opinion on TKD have trained in any other martial art (or even TKD for that matter)?
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I did TKD for 4 years and even I get a kick out of this video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbrYiy3Xe_A

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoachCathleen
Date: February 19, 2009 at 03:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

bdmcleod said:
Weight didn't have anything to do with his lack of knowledge on ground fighting. And he knew what he was getting into.
Kind of like the TKD BB instructor right? He is an MMA fighter, as per his schools website, and his tenuous clinch skill was showcased nicely. But I noticed you haven't really mentioned him much. That may be because he doesn't fit your "lack of skill and experience, or size difference" counter-arguments.
You wanna learn TKD? Great. I'm glad someone is being is active and learning a martial art. Is it a good base for MMA? No. There are many better Martial Arts out there that are sport-oriented.
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:lol: your great! No I didn't mention anything about the TKD instructor because I didn't think it was necessary to point out what you already had. I was disregarding all the irrelevant information you posted. But if you need me to point out the obvious then yes you are right on about your statment with this particular TKD instructor. Good job...gold star!!!
And yes, TKD can be a good base for a fighter if they go to the right school, get the right training, and of course have the right mentality for the game. My point in all this is that you shouldn't just attack one style when its more important what kind of fighter they are. And yes, certain styles attract different kinds of people so naturally you may find more similar goal oriented people in one style verses another but theres really no need to stereotype the entire industry. To make broad generalized statements like that isn't really a fair judgment on those who ARE good fighters and who didn't make on *** of themselves in front of a video camera. TKD has become bastardized over the years and so have many other traditional arts, but there are some good practices still out there. Consider it...
And I wasn't attacking you directly; so you can pull your skirt up and stop being so sensitive. I'm just saying you should keep your statements fair. Ohra!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bdmcleod
Date: February 19, 2009 at 04:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/just-started-tae-kwon-do.6523/

CoachCathleen said:
bdmcleod said:
Weight didn't have anything to do with his lack of knowledge on ground fighting. And he knew what he was getting into.
Kind of like the TKD BB instructor right? He is an MMA fighter, as per his schools website, and his tenuous clinch skill was showcased nicely. But I noticed you haven't really mentioned him much. That may be because he doesn't fit your "lack of skill and experience, or size difference" counter-arguments.
You wanna learn TKD? Great. I'm glad someone is being is active and learning a martial art. Is it a good base for MMA? No. There are many better Martial Arts out there that are sport-oriented.
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:lol: your great! No I didn't mention anything about the TKD instructor because I didn't think it was necessary to point out what you already had. I was disregarding all the irrelevant information you posted. But if you need me to point out the obvious then yes you are right on about your statment with this particular TKD instructor. Good job...gold star!!!
And yes, TKD can be a good base for a fighter if they go to the right school, get the right training, and of course have the right mentality for the game. My point in all this is that you shouldn't just attack one style when its more important what kind of fighter they are. And yes, certain styles attract different kinds of people so naturally you may find more similar goal oriented people in one style verses another but theres really no need to stereotype the entire industry. To make broad generalized statements like that isn't really a fair judgment on those who ARE good fighters and who didn't make on *** of themselves in front of a video camera. TKD has become bastardized over the years and so have many other traditional arts, but there are some good practices still out there. Consider it...
And I wasn't attacking you directly; so you can pull your skirt up and stop being so sensitive. I'm just saying you should keep your statements fair. Ohra!
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Yes! We should all be trained in keeping our hands down and throwing powerless kicks! And fully disregard the ground game!
I've seen video of the Lopez family and their crown jewel, Steven. Guess what? Hands down. What a great base.
Where was I unfair?
Oh and just for reference. I just stereotyped all elite TKD'ers as having their hands down. Why? Because I just watched the olympic highlights. I didn't see the hands up once.