Kids who kill ........

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AgoniesCreep
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
A girl in her situation needs help, she doesn't need to be killed ..
There have been many famous muderers who changed their lives in jail.
There is always a chance for a person to repent and change and I think we should all be awarded that chance
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Actually, you'll have a hard time finding a murderer who hasn't found god & endlessly regreat what they did or feel whatever emotions they believe the parole board is looking for. Perhaps with professional help this little monster could be turned into a productive human being but, why take the chance when she's already proven herself to be capable of such shocking brutallity? I'd hate to have her move next door to me & my kids, I don't care what the shrink says. If they're just going to keep her locked up till she dies in the next 60 to 80 years, then I'd rather save the tax dollars & give her the needle.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

I'm not saying I agree with what she did... I feel terribly bad for the little girl and her family . . .
But, the girl has issues, not to mention the brain does not even fully develop until between ages 18-25 . . .
She definitely deserves to be punished... But the death penalty and federal prison are not viable options for her . . .
We should rehabilitate people, not kill them or leave them to be killed.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

AgoniesCreep said:
anonymouswriter said:
A girl in her situation needs help, she doesn't need to be killed ..
There have been many famous muderers who changed their lives in jail.
There is always a chance for a person to repent and change and I think we should all be awarded that chance
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Actually, you'll have a hard time finding a murderer who hasn't found god & endlessly regreat what they did or feel whatever emotions they believe the parole board is looking for. Perhaps with professional help this little monster could be turned into a productive human being but, why take the chance when she's already proven herself to be capable of such shocking brutallity? I'd hate to have her move next door to me & my kids, I don't care what the shrink says. If they're just going to keep her locked up till she dies in the next 60 to 80 years, then I'd rather save the tax dollars & give her the needle.
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Who is to say that many didn't find God? And that is a great thing!
I think there should be a website for all felons like there is for sex offenders . . .
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From an economic standpoint ... The needle is much more expensive than prison

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AgoniesCreep
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
I'm not saying I agree with what she did... I feel terribly bad for the little girl and her family . . .
But, the girl has issues, not to mention the brain does not even fully develop until between ages 18-25 . . .
She definitely deserves to be punished... But the death penalty and federal prison are not viable options for her . . .
We should rehabilitate people, not kill them or leave them to be killed.
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Do you support stricter gun control?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

AgoniesCreep said:
anonymouswriter said:
I'm not saying I agree with what she did... I feel terribly bad for the little girl and her family . . .
But, the girl has issues, not to mention the brain does not even fully develop until between ages 18-25 . . .
She definitely deserves to be punished... But the death penalty and federal prison are not viable options for her . . .
We should rehabilitate people, not kill them or leave them to be killed.
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Do you support stricter gun control?
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I don't understand what you're getting at?
I own a gun . . . I think everyone (minus felons) should be allowed to own guns and carry them (Second Amendment) . . . I do think the privilage should be taken away for lots of different reasons though.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Tamara......
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

Some people just are not rehabilatatable.....< I know that is not a word, but should be.
I would think if your mind is so f'd up before it even reaches full maturity then you must be capable of even worse things. Empathy is not something that can be forced onto someones emotions, you either have it or you don't and this girl lacks empathy for others.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AgoniesCreep
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
AgoniesCreep said:
anonymouswriter said:
I'm not saying I agree with what she did... I feel terribly bad for the little girl and her family . . .
But, the girl has issues, not to mention the brain does not even fully develop until between ages 18-25 . . .
She definitely deserves to be punished... But the death penalty and federal prison are not viable options for her . . .
We should rehabilitate people, not kill them or leave them to be killed.
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Do you support stricter gun control?
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I don't understand what you're getting at?
I own a gun . . . I think everyone (minus felons) should be allowed to own guns and carry them (Second Amendment) . . . I do think the privilage should be taken away for lots of different reasons though.
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I was just curious. It seems to me that the people who get all teary eyed over the exacution of an anal rapeing serrial child slayer are the same ones who cry loudest for gun control. I'm not saying you are a lover of anal rapeing child slayers but, your stance on the death penalty had me wondering.
I'm sure many killers actually do find god, which I agree is a good thing even though I'm not a christian. I don't find it an excuse to forgive them of their brutal crimes, That's gods job if he exists.
The needle is only more expensive because we take too long to use it & spend tax dollars giveing them every oppertunity to prove the first trail was wrong.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AgoniesCreep
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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This is the root of the disagreement over the death penalty. If a crime is heinous enough, I don't care if they feel bad about it later but, I'm an eye for an eye kind of guy.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Tamara......
Date: November 19, 2009 at 04:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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Temporary insanity would equal mentally ill. So is she rehabilatatible in your eyes. With what information we have available to us at this time. Yes, I am calling for you to speculate.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: The Green_Wombat
Date: November 19, 2009 at 05:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
I would disagree and argue that a 15 year old does not have the capability to understand all of the consequences of her actions... Also, this girl seems mentally disturbed ... If I was her/her lawyer I would plead temporary insanity ... Also I don't think 15 year olds should be executed, or anyone for that matter
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are you f---ing serious? your saying she didnt understand the consequences of her action yet shes in the top third of her class and described as very bright. Its not like she was mentally slow or behind her grade, SHE IS IN THE HEAD OF HER f---ing CLASS. you dont get there unless your smart and understand concepts. She dug a hole on a day off so she had a place to hide the body, and she stuck a sharp object into the poor girls throat and slit it. that doesnt show an understanding of whats going to happen? if she didnt under stand the consequences of her actions then why did she dig a hole to hide the body? they only reason you do that is because you know if you get caught your going to get in a lot of trouble.
She killed a young innocent girl in Cold blood, she deserves to get lethal injection like the rest of the f---ing scumbags that Rape and Murder.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 08:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

I was just curious. It seems to me that the people who get all teary eyed over the exacution of an anal rapeing serrial child slayer are the same ones who cry loudest for gun control. I'm not saying you are a lover of anal rapeing child slayers but, your stance on the death penalty had me wondering.
I'm sure many killers actually do find god, which I agree is a good thing even though I'm not a christian. I don't find it an excuse to forgive them of their brutal crimes, That's gods job if he exists.
The needle is only more expensive because we take too long to use it & spend tax dollars giveing them every oppertunity to prove the first trail was wrong.[/quote]
I think you misunderstood me. I do not agree with the death penalty, but at the same time I DON'T want stricter gun laws, i thought I made that clear maybe I didn't . . .
And I don't hate anyone as most of you seem to, not even killers . . . I hate the sin, not the sinner . . .
As a Christian man, I do not think the death penalty is the right thing to do, and it is our job to forgive, the Bible says so . . .
I believe all people should be given a chance to have change occur in their lives. . .
Regardless of why the needle costs more, it still costs more

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 08:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

AgoniesCreep said:
anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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This is the root of the disagreement over the death penalty. If a crime is heinous enough, I don't care if they feel bad about it later but, I'm an eye for an eye kind of guy.
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At the same time you're saying two different things . . . You're saying its not ok to kill, and you're saying it is ok to kill . . . I don't think the government should be allowed to kill someone anymore than the killer should have the right to

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 08:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

Seawalls_Wife said:
anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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Temporary insanity would equal mentally ill. So is she rehabilatatible in your eyes. With what information we have available to us at this time. Yes, I am calling for you to speculate.
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You make a good point against how I stated my opinion earlier . . . I should have been more clear . . . I think she could have possibly been mentally ill, but if she isn't then I believe she is able to be rehabilitated . . . Either way, the point im trying to make, she shouldn't be tried as an adult IMO.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: toerag
Date: November 19, 2009 at 08:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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I feel that rehabilatation(damn non-word) is largely based on whether someone genuinely WANTS to change. They could say they wanted to, but they could be lying.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 08:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

iceman22 said:
anonymouswriter said:
I would disagree and argue that a 15 year old does not have the capability to understand all of the consequences of her actions... Also, this girl seems mentally disturbed ... If I was her/her lawyer I would plead temporary insanity ... Also I don't think 15 year olds should be executed, or anyone for that matter
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are you f**king serious? your saying she didnt understand the consequences of her action yet shes in the top third of her class and described as very bright. Its not like she was mentally slow or behind her grade, SHE IS IN THE HEAD OF HER f**king CLASS. you dont get there unless your smart and understand concepts. She dug a hole on a day off so she had a place to hide the body, and she stuck a sharp object into the poor girls throat and slit it. that doesnt show an understanding of whats going to happen? if she didnt under stand the consequences of her actions then why did she dig a hole to hide the body? they only reason you do that is because you know if you get caught your going to get in a lot of trouble.
She killed a young innocent girl in Cold blood, she deserves to get lethal injection like the rest of the f**king scumbags that r*** and Murder.
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What I am saying is she is a child still (A Freshman I assume). She is smart for a freshman, not a genius or even above average in overall intelligence . . . My point is that the brain does not reach full development, therefore cognitive ability doesn't reach its peak, until between the ages of 18-25 . . . Whether she is crazy/mentally ill/made a HUGE error in judgement, I do not think she should be tried as an adult. And I don't think she was worried about being caught, she confessed to it, guilt perhaps . . . . I don't think anyone deserves lethal injection, as I said above why does the government have the right to kill, when the girl is being punished for it, don't be hypocritical.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter
Date: November 19, 2009 at 08:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

toerag said:
anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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I feel that rehabilatation(damn non-word) is largely based on whether someone genuinely WANTS to change. They could say they wanted to, but they could be lying.
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You are absolutely correct. I, nor you, can judge that though . . . A change must be seen in her life, whether in Juvy or Jail ..... I'm not saying let her go free with zero punishment

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: toerag
Date: November 19, 2009 at 09:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
toerag said:
anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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I feel that rehabilatation(damn non-word) is largely based on whether someone genuinely WANTS to change. They could say they wanted to, but they could be lying.
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You are absolutely correct. I, nor you, can judge that though . . . A change must be seen in her life, whether in Juvy or Jail .....
I'm not saying let her go free with zero punishment
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Fair enough. It's a hard one though, for me anyway. One side says - "She committed a horrible and, apparently, unprovoked crime. She needs to be tried, and punished, as an adult." Then the other side says - "She's 15. Putting her in Prison could, and probably would, mess her up even MORE. Rehab could save this kid, but can we be sure?". I'm really unsure of either :| .......

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: crazycroat57
Date: November 19, 2009 at 09:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

Post birth abortion is the only cure I can see.
Or if you prefer, we can call it a cull or something, instead of abortion.
No I am not kidding. I think you bring someone like that into this world, you take them the f--- back out.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: AgoniesCreep
Date: November 19, 2009 at 09:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/kids-who-kill.19570/

anonymouswriter said:
AgoniesCreep said:
anonymouswriter said:
I think everyone has the abililty to be rehabilitated, unless mentally ill . . .
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This is the root of the disagreement over the death penalty. If a crime is heinous enough, I don't care if they feel bad about it later but, I'm an eye for an eye kind of guy.
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At the same time you're saying two different things . . . You're saying its not ok to kill, and you're saying it is ok to kill . . . I don't think the government should be allowed to kill someone anymore than the killer should have the right to
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I did understand that you were not for gun control. I only asked in the first place because of your anti death penalty stance.
I don't think I was saying two different things. Being an eye for an eye kind of guy means that if you kill an innocient person for no acceptable (self defense for example) reason, then the right thing to do is take the killers life. I know we won't change each others opinion on the death penalty but, it always cheers me up when I hear a vicious killer has been exacuted, just like it saddens me when I hear a 9 year old girl was choked to death & had her throat slit cuz some freak wanted to know what it would feel like to do it.